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TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:55 PM Jan 2020

IMO: The Tide is Turning. Trump is going to be removed from Office.

Thank you, Nancy Pelosi for your impecable timing. What has come out recently is making a mark, a big mark. It's ugly and it's shocking. There is outrage mounting. The acts and statements against Amb. Marie Yovanovitch simply cannot be ignored or said to be false, fake news, or the Dems plotting against Trump. This is sick, serious and felonious conduct. It is beyond acceptable and IMO, Nancy knew and waited until the absolute moment to slam it home. He's going to be removed and when this takes place, we have Nancy and the House Dems to thank.

I feel it in my elderly bones -- and hopefully I am correct -- he's going to be removed. There is simply too much dirt to sweep under the rugs in the Senate chamber. It's like way back in 1974 I felt the tide turn against Nixon when those tapes came out. IMO, the Lev Parnas docs are of the same ilk. This tide is going to sweep Trump out of the WH.

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IMO: The Tide is Turning. Trump is going to be removed from Office. (Original Post) TruckFump Jan 2020 OP
Have you seen this? dewsgirl Jan 2020 #1
Have not. TruckFump Jan 2020 #3
It just aired. dewsgirl Jan 2020 #9
Wow! smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #15
I know right, that's what I said.😳👀🔥 dewsgirl Jan 2020 #18
Yes, that was great. smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #22
Wow! peggysue2 Jan 2020 #16
Totally shocking to me. TruckFump Jan 2020 #21
I am counting the seconds. I have thought all along dewsgirl Jan 2020 #25
The interview/s canetoad Jan 2020 #44
I'm done even trying to guess anymore. Desensitized as I am, dewsgirl Jan 2020 #49
You and me both. demosincebirth Jan 2020 #87
Thank you for posting this video clip Kitchari Jan 2020 #20
You're welcome, I didn't want to step on the thread by making dewsgirl Jan 2020 #27
Agree Kitchari Jan 2020 #89
Trump has testicles? 11 Bravo Jan 2020 #24
Putin has them Kaiserguy Jan 2020 #66
How could,this be out already? Rachel's show doesn't air for another hour... Fiendish Thingy Jan 2020 #35
They pretaped this afternoon. dewsgirl Jan 2020 #45
Lev's life is in danger - it had to be taped Generic Brad Jan 2020 #47
Yikes, makes sense. It's terrifying, but likely.😳 dewsgirl Jan 2020 #50
Things are shifting, but we aren't there yet. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2020 #36
Indeed they are. dewsgirl Jan 2020 #46
Man. That is something. Rs won't care though. JDC Jan 2020 #48
Thanks for posting! coeur_de_lion Jan 2020 #52
"He lied"...Wow! Why is Parnas now turning against the Idiot? onetexan Jan 2020 #59
I have said all along DENVERPOPS Jan 2020 #69
I've been thinking the same. There's been a shift in the wind. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2020 #2
I can feel it in my elderly bones. TruckFump Jan 2020 #4
"-- more like the plot of a movie than reality." RKP5637 Jan 2020 #94
Faux Snooze is not going to be the only channel broadcasting and commenting on this trial. TruckFump Jan 2020 #95
I Agree with your elderly bones! leftieNanner Jan 2020 #5
Yes! There is something in the wind and it bodes badly for Trump. TruckFump Jan 2020 #6
not until November edhopper Jan 2020 #7
I heard that McConnell won't allow cameras in the hearing. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #8
Not sure but I think there will be a single camera. nolabear Jan 2020 #10
I hope so...Trump wants to bury this...but he is a would be murderer of an American citizen. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #40
Let's see how he can stop the people malaise Jan 2020 #14
I hope you are correct. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #37
I wonder if eventually trump will be discovered to be Ilsa Jan 2020 #43
I sure as hell would not be surprised...He is a dangerous man. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #53
Same here. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #96
Mitch certainly sounded defeated today. Only one little snark. nolabear Jan 2020 #11
Yeah, his demeanor hit me the same way. TruckFump Jan 2020 #19
God I hope so... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #38
His demeanor, real or not, was to show his seriousness of purpose as majority leader. ancianita Jan 2020 #54
I bet Trump was furious about that McConnell speech today. pamela Jan 2020 #65
Kick this one. Kingofalldems Jan 2020 #12
You never know. FM123 Jan 2020 #13
How perfect...totally perfect! TruckFump Jan 2020 #17
That's a great quote Kitchari Jan 2020 #23
i just don't see it Takket Jan 2020 #26
Same thought I had about Nixon until... TruckFump Jan 2020 #30
Different times, and even then if the nation moonscape Jan 2020 #78
The GOP is on trial every bit as much as Trump bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #63
No, he isn't. OliverQ Jan 2020 #28
Trump has lost control of the narrative localroger Jan 2020 #29
IMO, we are seeing the tip of the iceberg. TruckFump Jan 2020 #31
And for another good iceberg metaphor localroger Jan 2020 #32
It does seem like that. TruckFump Jan 2020 #33
Your wish is my command OxQQme Jan 2020 #67
Yup, I still learn things about Nixon that we didn't know at the time bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #61
I hope so but... Kablooie Jan 2020 #34
The Christian right needs to be kicked to the curb as well. Initech Jan 2020 #39
Sorry but like Trump said he can shoot doc03 Jan 2020 #41
Predicted MONTHLY yet he is still here! nt USALiberal Jan 2020 #42
Monthly? I think I read this daily. bearsfootball516 Jan 2020 #51
I remember when Gorusch was nominated for SCOTUS NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #55
Must see Traildogbob Jan 2020 #58
Good point. nt USALiberal Jan 2020 #56
Lev Parnas John Dean WheelWalker Jan 2020 #57
It is imperative that he be removed from office. warmfeet Jan 2020 #60
Yes. When we vote him out in November. Overwhelmingly I hope. oldsoftie Jan 2020 #62
All these comparisons BigOleDummy Jan 2020 #64
Kick - for wishful thinking. defacto7 Jan 2020 #68
From your mouth to reality kimbutgar Jan 2020 #70
I appreciate your optimism. ecstatic Jan 2020 #71
The interview with Lev Parnas is the nail. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #72
It's not just what he is saying, IMO... TruckFump Jan 2020 #73
I could not agree more. He's credible, clearly. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #74
His demeanor conveys that he is telling the truth. TruckFump Jan 2020 #75
You don't have you stop or pause to remember the truth when you're telling it. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #76
Exactly. EOM TruckFump Jan 2020 #80
It aint over until Trump is dragged kicking and screaming from the WH. Thomas Hurt Jan 2020 #77
Mother appears to still have that job! EOM TruckFump Jan 2020 #81
So hope you are right!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #79
More self delusion. tman Jan 2020 #82
Slowly they turned... TruckFump Jan 2020 #84
Lev is pretty damn articulate! SCVDem Jan 2020 #83
Seems like Lev was smart enough to keep every scrap of paper that could be evidence... TruckFump Jan 2020 #85
Like Comey SCVDem Jan 2020 #88
Here's the thing: the Republican Party, like Trump, is a criminal enterprise without a conscience. VOX Jan 2020 #86
You have an undying faith in the permanence of common sense. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2020 #90
We have to get some corroboration on this stuff, do an investigation. There's no time! NCLefty Jan 2020 #91
I've been thinking he'll be impeached for a while NJCher Jan 2020 #92
Here's hoping this is the straw that breaks repugs back burrowowl Jan 2020 #93
Extremely doubtful but hopefully it will hurt his campaign. nt Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #97
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
22. Yes, that was great.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:20 PM
Jan 2020

And very unexpected. At least I didn't expect it, but so glad Rachel brought us the goods! Great find!

peggysue2

(11,042 posts)
16. Wow!
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:16 PM
Jan 2020

That's a BOOM moment. The only thing that worries me is the verification, the accuracy--of the story, the details, the people involved because I don't believe Lev Parnas and his buddy are choir boys or dedicated defenders of the truth.

But if our congress reps are able to nail down this story and its wretched details? Explosive. Disgusting enough that minds and hearts could finally turn against Trump and his criminality.

I'll certainly be watching Rachel tonight.

Wow!

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
21. Totally shocking to me.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:20 PM
Jan 2020

This cannot be ignored. IMO, the evidence is there. Parnas has the text messages and the documents to prove what he is saying. Reminds me of the Nixon tape...just no missing 18 minutes.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
25. I am counting the seconds. I have thought all along
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:28 PM
Jan 2020

Lev Parnas was in too deep to flip and was just playing games..I can't describe just how good it feels to be wrong.😳👀🔥

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
49. I'm done even trying to guess anymore. Desensitized as I am,
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:07 PM
Jan 2020

the last 24 hrs have blown my mind.🔥

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
27. You're welcome, I didn't want to step on the thread by making
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:30 PM
Jan 2020

my own thread, since there were already a couple.

Kaiserguy

(740 posts)
66. Putin has them
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:51 PM
Jan 2020

along with most of the GOP members of the House and Senate. He keeps them all in a large jar in the basement.

Generic Brad

(14,308 posts)
47. Lev's life is in danger - it had to be taped
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:05 PM
Jan 2020

If they were plotting to murder a US Ambassador, the Trumpers would have no compunction with ordering a hit on Parnas. Going public is his best protection because if anything happens to him now, we all know who was behind it. And delivering the goods pre-recorded ensures that the studio or Rachel Maddow don't also get preemptively stopped.

Trump and company will murder if they think it will benefit them or cover their tracks. Doing the interview taped circumvents any desperate counter move they could have dreamed up.

DENVERPOPS

(9,254 posts)
69. I have said all along
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:14 PM
Jan 2020

That my suspicions were they would let Trump go as far as he could, diverting attention away from all the Republicans were doing in the background. At the last second they would get rid of Trump,
Quickly shove Pence in as president, shove in their V.P. And tell their voters: everything is good, we saw the problem, took care of the problem, everything is good, vote for Pence in 2020 and 2024.
Keep the republicans in the Senate, return the republican control to the house and all republicans in governors and all other public offices.
Maybe that time has come.????
OF course Pence will have a flood of pardons for all.......

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
4. I can feel it in my elderly bones.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:00 PM
Jan 2020

It's different. What is coming out is disastrous for Trump.

IMO, the Rs cannot get in line behind what clearly appears to be the stalking of the ambassador and most likely a plot to harm her. There are reasons she was told to leave and leave now. Ugly so very ugly -- more like the plot of a movie than reality. The public cannot and will not allow this to be the level of conduct by our elected officials and the executive staff members.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
94. "-- more like the plot of a movie than reality."
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:27 AM
Jan 2020

Yep, excellent point. Some might not have followed the hearing closely, but this will be hard to ignore ... lots of publicity. It will be filled with lots of intrigue and will be an attention getter. Those republican officials that cling to Trump, well might find themselves in trouble when new elections come up. And, exactly as you say (I hope). "The public cannot and will not allow this to be the level of conduct by our elected officials and the executive staff members." I think Trump has really dug himself a hole, and the amazing part is he continues to dig deeper.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
95. Faux Snooze is not going to be the only channel broadcasting and commenting on this trial.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:19 PM
Jan 2020

While Faux will spin until they are dizzy, some will want to watch or cannot avoid watching the trial and what is going to come out could be shocking as hell since Faux has keep them in the dark. IMO, it will be difficult to not have a live broadcast -- at least one feed to all major networks -- going out. How would Faux Snooze give its followers a reason that they are not carrying this? IMO, they have said over and over that all of this is BS...betting some Faux denziens would tune in to watch so they could see tRump vindicated. After all, his Lorship himself, Faux and the Repukes did say he did nothing wrong!

leftieNanner

(15,338 posts)
5. I Agree with your elderly bones!
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:01 PM
Jan 2020

Susan Collins is trying her (stupid) best to pretend that this is a nothingburger. And Mitch is trying to keep the Press away from the trial, but the tide has turned in a dramatic way this week.

All of these loathsome creeps need to be taken out. Starting with The Orange One.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
6. Yes! There is something in the wind and it bodes badly for Trump.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:02 PM
Jan 2020

Good news for the nation -- finally iMO these are acts and facts that cannot be ignored.

Demsrule86

(69,358 posts)
8. I heard that McConnell won't allow cameras in the hearing.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:06 PM
Jan 2020

They won't convict. I hope I am wrong. Trump wanted to kill a US ambassador.

nolabear

(42,207 posts)
10. Not sure but I think there will be a single camera.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:09 PM
Jan 2020

Likely CSPAN feed to everything. No phone cameras or others.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,669 posts)
96. Same here.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:55 PM
Jan 2020

Could have been any number of people. But if we ever did learn for a fact it was Trump, I would not be remotely surprised.

nolabear

(42,207 posts)
11. Mitch certainly sounded defeated today. Only one little snark.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:11 PM
Jan 2020

Pitifully throwing that UMCA bit in there.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
19. Yeah, his demeanor hit me the same way.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:18 PM
Jan 2020

What happened -- the truth of it -- in the Ukraine simply can no longer be ignored or hidden.

ancianita

(36,996 posts)
54. His demeanor, real or not, was to show his seriousness of purpose as majority leader.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:18 PM
Jan 2020

I don't trust that he acted for the cameras to convey anything but seriousness about his oath of office.

For the sake of his job and Pelosi's threat of impeachment if he acted otherwise.

Oh, and for Fox and Trump's base.

pamela

(3,469 posts)
65. I bet Trump was furious about that McConnell speech today.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:49 PM
Jan 2020

Trump expects all his minions to treat this with disdain and to make a spectacle (hoax, witch hunt, etc) no matter the setting. McConnell treated this seriously today and that's the last thing Trump wants. I bet he was raging! I sure hope so.

FM123

(10,063 posts)
13. You never know.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:13 PM
Jan 2020

One of my favorite quotes by the late Nelson Mandela was: It always seems impossible until it is done.

Takket

(22,119 posts)
26. i just don't see it
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:29 PM
Jan 2020

we have a fight on our hands just to hope 4 GOPers will even let this trial have EVIDENCE submitted. No way 20 of them are going to vote for removal

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
30. Same thought I had about Nixon until...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:34 PM
Jan 2020

...Butterfield spilled the beans about the taping system. After what came out, there was NO way to defend Nixon. I don't think, however, that Trump will exercise the good sense of Nixon and resign.

moonscape

(4,719 posts)
78. Different times, and even then if the nation
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:36 PM
Jan 2020

hadn’t been glued to their tvs and news hadn’t been uniform (Cronkite, 3 networks, no Fox, no fake-news crazy), the outcome most likely would not have been the same.

bucolic_frolic

(44,589 posts)
63. The GOP is on trial every bit as much as Trump
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:36 PM
Jan 2020

and because of Speaker Pelosi's timing on the Articles and the new evidence emerging, she got all but one of the GOP House caucus to vote with Trump. TUCK THAT AWAY FOR YOUR CAMPAIGN THRUST NEXT NOVEMBER!

If she had waited until Parnas testimony surfaced, some of the House GOP might have voted for articles, but the way she did it, she snared them all!

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
28. No, he isn't.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:33 PM
Jan 2020

No tide is turning. Only about 51% support removal. That's not enough to get Republicans to budge. And even Senators like Susan Collins said they don't care about these new Parnas bombshells.

There is absolutely no way Trump is getting removed from office. None.

localroger

(3,654 posts)
29. Trump has lost control of the narrative
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:33 PM
Jan 2020

Now even if someone in the Senate feels they can justify a vote to dismiss based on existing evidence, they have to wonder what else is coming, and how it will look in November, either collectively or if a roll-call vote is forced individually. It only takes a few who think they can jump clear of the inevitable R trainwreck to force that public vote.

localroger

(3,654 posts)
32. And for another good iceberg metaphor
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:37 PM
Jan 2020

...we're seeing the moment the ice melting off the bottom shifts the berg's balance, and the whole thing tumbles upside-down. (There are some cool online videos of this phenomenon.)

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
33. It does seem like that.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:38 PM
Jan 2020

IMO, the conduct of Trump could only have support for so long. I do believe and hope I am correct that the end is near.

bucolic_frolic

(44,589 posts)
61. Yup, I still learn things about Nixon that we didn't know at the time
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:31 PM
Jan 2020

From the movie, based on real life, with Richard Gere and British actor Al Molina (who lost all his British accent for the role). "The Hoax". I haven't watched it in awhile, but if I remember correctly Nixon's brother had a $600,000 loan from Howard Hughes which Nixon obviously wanted to keep quiet. The movie is about the supposedly authorized biography of Howard Hughes, which turned out to be a hoax and almost toppled McGraw-Hill Publishing Company. The CEO, Harold McGraw himself, signed the checks to the author, Clifford Irving.

"A fleeting scene set inside the Nixon White House suggests that Nixon's preoccupation with Hughes led directly to the burglary and wiretapping of Democratic Headquarters at the Watergate Hotel. Historians and political analysts dispute this.[2]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hoax

I'm no Richard Gere fan but he was excellent in this film, and the screenplay, mood, cinematography and music captured that 1970s milieu of New York and Madison Avenue and corporate headquarters.

Kablooie

(18,689 posts)
34. I hope so but...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:46 PM
Jan 2020

The Republicans all know Trump was complicit but it doesn't affect their dedication to protect him.

I believe Mitch and the Republican leadership have been thoroughly compromised by the Russians so they don't dare go against Trump lest the Russians turn against them. Keeping Trump in power is the only thing that will keep them out of prison.

Initech

(100,555 posts)
39. The Christian right needs to be kicked to the curb as well.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:52 PM
Jan 2020

Want to get rid of Trump and McConnell for good? Tell their enablers in the Christian right to go take a hike. They've been abusing us since the Nixon days and it's way past time to get rid of this abusive relationship.

doc03

(35,783 posts)
41. Sorry but like Trump said he can shoot
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:54 PM
Jan 2020

someone on 5th Avenue. The Republicans are not going to let it happen.

NewJeffCT

(56,832 posts)
55. I remember when Gorusch was nominated for SCOTUS
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:19 PM
Jan 2020

on January 31, 2017, I remember people joking that Trump shouldn't be allowed to nominate a SCOTUS judge in the last year of his presidency...

Traildogbob

(9,152 posts)
58. Must see
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:25 PM
Jan 2020

Someone post Susan Collins in front of a TV and do her eyelids like in ClockWork Orange to see if she gets very concerned.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
60. It is imperative that he be removed from office.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:29 PM
Jan 2020

Losing to the Democratic nominee in 2020 is not enough to save our Democratic Republic (imho).

Without, at least the perception of, the rule of law governing this county, we are lost.

I hope to hell that I am wrong.

BigOleDummy

(2,274 posts)
64. All these comparisons
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:40 PM
Jan 2020

To Nixon seem , to me, to be missing the mark. Yes, Nixon was a crook BUT deep down somewhere in his rotten dirty soul beat the heart of a patriot. He CARED about our country in his own mad little way. He also had a shred or two of dignity while our current chump in chief has nothing resembling love of country OR dignity. He cares about nothing but his fat orange hide and he's scared. He won't resign period. The toadies in the republican party won't remove him from office either. They ALL would rather watch our country burn than admit that they've been criminally liable for this …. shitstorm... to get this far. The few who aren't compromised by Putin are too scared of chumps "base" to do anything but go along. A sad era for our once great country.

ecstatic

(33,167 posts)
71. I appreciate your optimism.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:19 PM
Jan 2020

I'm 1000% pessimistic, but we'll see... If we don't let the media move on from this topic, he will be removed. The key is not allowing Dump to distract.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
73. It's not just what he is saying, IMO...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:28 PM
Jan 2020

...it's the fact that it's backed up by the texts and other documents. He appears to not be saying this just as a payback to Trump et al., but because it is true and, of course, he would like to have a deal as a cooperating witness. IMO, he has the goods and is putting his money where his mouth is...so to speak.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
75. His demeanor conveys that he is telling the truth.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:33 PM
Jan 2020

He is not acting like he has a grudge or that he is out to pin the blame on someone else. He is just telling what he knows and is putting the facts down for everyone to see.

Witnesses like this are scary to the other side of a case -- and I say this as a retired atty. He has the "there there" and is totally believable and not pausing to think through a lie or remember what he told "as the truth" before the current statement in order to not contradict a prior statement.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
77. It aint over until Trump is dragged kicking and screaming from the WH.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:36 PM
Jan 2020

The next question will be what is Pence going to now that his servile @33 has no one lead him around by his nose.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
84. Slowly they turned...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:44 PM
Jan 2020

...it's happening now IMO.

I don't think I'm wrong nor am I delusional. Until now, I had less than zero hope that Trump would be stripped bare and revealed for the hideous, soulless piece of shit he truly is. Something has changed.

I thought Nixon had a lock on being POTUS for a full two terms...and then he didn't.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
83. Lev is pretty damn articulate!
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:41 PM
Jan 2020

tRump is up shit creek without a boat, screw the paddle!

President Pelosi !

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
85. Seems like Lev was smart enough to keep every scrap of paper that could be evidence...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:55 PM
Jan 2020

...against the Trump cabal.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
86. Here's the thing: the Republican Party, like Trump, is a criminal enterprise without a conscience.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:01 PM
Jan 2020

I really wish it could be true, that Republicans would FINALLY see the light and act for the good of the country— not merely themselves— and turn Trump over to face serious judgement for his shocking and continuing malfeasance.

But the GOP has changed since the days of Richard Nixon. They are no longer conservatives, they are radical (white) nationalists. They’ve found, through the example set by their “chosen one,” that living above the law has its advantages. They now fervently endorse autocratic rule, and enjoy marginalizing and excluding “the other,” a broad category that includes Democrats and progressives. In short, they are ALL Donald Trump, and they like it that way.

The tide of opinion may be turning, but the only sure way to be rid of Trump is for most of the 12 swing states to vote Democratic. Much of the electoral map is fixed, in terms of “blue” and “red,” so once again, the swing states will be the coveted prizes.

Assuming that there’s a free-and-fair election in 2020 (Republicans have even cast a shadow over that once-sacrosanct process), Trump will rise or fall depending on the votes in Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin.

Those 12 states are where fascism and democracy will finally tangle. There must be a veritable flood of Democratic voters in each of those states, so that their numbers will wash over any Russian meddling and voter suppression.

It will be ugly, but victory is still possible.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,507 posts)
90. You have an undying faith in the permanence of common sense.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:56 AM
Jan 2020

The aggregate feeling I have is the same as you about "the Tide" turning. But I believe that it's because the information I get from news sources suggests as much. But there are millions of people who don't use my sources, who, indeed, know nothing about, for instance, the Parnas disclosures, or much of the testimony that led the House to vote for the Articles. But it is gratifying to have the feeling that the Tide is turning, even if I know that it's only one of perhaps many possible trends.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
91. We have to get some corroboration on this stuff, do an investigation. There's no time!
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:42 AM
Jan 2020

But I truly hope you are right.

NJCher

(36,454 posts)
92. I've been thinking he'll be impeached for a while
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:02 AM
Jan 2020

Here's why.

There's something about a court hearing that's very serious. I don't even think McConnell actually realizes this. When facts and evidence come out in a planned proceeding, they're there looking at everyone in the face. They are on the record. You can say you're not going to impeach, but once you get in that proceeding, it's a different story altogether. The facts and the fact-finding process take on a life of their own.

In this case, even while it is not like an actual court proceeding, there are still some very sobering considerations. One is that this is history. This the record for the ages. Yes, some of these senators really are so wound up in this thing that they can deny reality. However, if the news continues in the way it did today, can they really

Look, however, at tonight's news, even the interview with Parnas. If only 20 per cent of it is true, it is still going to require investigations. So here's what it boils down to: they can dump trump now or they can dump him later. Trouble is brewing and the longer he stays in office, the worse it's going to get.

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