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Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:03 PM Jan 2020

You have no idea what hell it is...

living in trump hillbilly hell South Western Pennsylvania. Trump 2020 flags in the front of houses. Pick up trucks with trump 2020 stickers. Checking out at the grocery store this evening, a big man with a white beard wearing camo, in his brand spanking new trump 2020 hat , was in line behind us..
This used to be a beautiful area and always went blue. When Richard Mellon Scaife bought up every local newspaper, things got ugly. He would never allow a Democrat on the front page of any of his newspapers and allowed no anti republican editorials in his papers. Now the Pittsburgh Post Gazette has been bought by trump humpers. Also, Westmoreland County is filled with several huge, money making Evangelical churches

Unfortunately, we are retired and cannot afford to leave the area at this time. Please show us some pity.

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You have no idea what hell it is... (Original Post) Freedomofspeech Jan 2020 OP
I am so sorry, please spend more time with us here on DU. You are among friends here. FM123 Jan 2020 #1
This is my only salvation... Freedomofspeech Jan 2020 #2
Sending you greetings FOS! leftieNanner Jan 2020 #3
Thanks but it will not happen... Freedomofspeech Jan 2020 #7
I have a General Sherman tee shirt safeinOhio Jan 2020 #4
I LOVE it! PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2020 #29
I live in a big red state. MontanaMama Jan 2020 #5
I live in a similar area in southern Illinois so, yes, I can imagine. Hang in there. nt Atticus Jan 2020 #6
You could live in Matt Gaetz, I am only here for 8 more months, but dewsgirl Jan 2020 #8
Well, we have that moron Toomey... Freedomofspeech Jan 2020 #10
We have Jeffery Beaugard Sessions back with us now dixiegrrrrl Jan 2020 #42
UGH! Reschenthaler is an embarrassment, and I cringed every time he spoke PA Democrat Jan 2020 #58
I am so sorry... handmade34 Jan 2020 #9
We need lots more Dems in red areas mahina Jan 2020 #11
We have a lot of Dems here... Freedomofspeech Jan 2020 #13
I second that hug PandoraAwakened Jan 2020 #12
Agree. I moved to Colorado in 1984 mountain grammy Jan 2020 #35
Just gotta say bluestarone Jan 2020 #14
Mine, too. Freedomofspeech Jan 2020 #15
You have my respect ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #16
So sorry iamateacher Jan 2020 #17
I live there too mcar Jan 2020 #18
that's what I don't understand why a retired old folk mshasta Jan 2020 #23
It's a psychosis mcar Jan 2020 #25
I feel a lot better since I moved from Greensburg to Pittsburgh. johnp3907 Jan 2020 #19
is going to be ok, every cult has a moment of greatness mshasta Jan 2020 #20
Greetings from liberal Western Washington. Aristus Jan 2020 #21
You got that right! BBG Jan 2020 #37
Resist Red Mountain Jan 2020 #22
You're living in a shithole county Martin Eden Jan 2020 #24
Sorry to hear that Clash City Rocker Jan 2020 #26
Sending you peace and calm!💫✨✨💫 MLAA Jan 2020 #27
I DO have an idea.... Ferrets are Cool Jan 2020 #28
Same here. GaYellowDawg Jan 2020 #36
I can't even imagine it. Hoping the best for you. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2020 #30
Be a model of tolerance and peace bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #31
I live in New Mexico, PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2020 #32
Think how much Turin_C3PO Jan 2020 #45
I think the underlying problem PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2020 #46
Underscoring the effect of RW investment in media and the lack of a counterweight to that. JHB Jan 2020 #33
BBG checking in... BBG Jan 2020 #34
Many places in America are filled with Maga trash dustyscamp Jan 2020 #38
You are absolutely right about Scaife. He ruined Westmoreland County. blue neen Jan 2020 #39
It really is awful... Freedomofspeech Jan 2020 #40
I see it in the rural mid-west also. progressoid Jan 2020 #41
I know all too well liberaltrucker Jan 2020 #43
Yep...Butler County is not so great, either. Freedomofspeech Jan 2020 #44
I just traveled to rural Florida Dukkha Jan 2020 #47
There is a whole Trump house near Latrobe, PA.. Freedomofspeech Jan 2020 #48
WTF is wrong with these "Americans"! Dukkha Jan 2020 #50
Waving hello spinbaby Jan 2020 #49
HA I shouldn't laugh but what a sociology glimpse of magat life. Jesus stuff with trump signs Sickos lunasun Jan 2020 #59
Pity no, empathy yes saidsimplesimon Jan 2020 #51
I feel for you KT2000 Jan 2020 #52
They've always been there, now they wear hats..... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #53
I know how you feel I am in Ohio an hour from Pittsburgh doc03 Jan 2020 #54
These people are being taken advantage of, definitely spinbaby Jan 2020 #63
I was in Wheeling when Trump had one of his doc03 Jan 2020 #65
Hugs from bright red Oklahoma! redstatebluegirl Jan 2020 #55
I have an inklimg The Genealogist Jan 2020 #56
As it says at the entrace: Newest Reality Jan 2020 #57
+1000. n/t PandoraAwakened Jan 2020 #60
It's hard to imagine all that. I saw a truck in Dallas with a "piss on liberals" sticker though. :p NCLefty Jan 2020 #61
I live just across the border in WV. a la izquierda Jan 2020 #62
Lucky you. Freedomofspeech Jan 2020 #64
Dear Freedom -- I really do sympathize with you! Tracer Jan 2020 #67
In 2016 before the election... Freedomofspeech Jan 2020 #68
My father was raised in West Virginia marlakay Jan 2020 #66

leftieNanner

(15,084 posts)
3. Sending you greetings FOS!
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:09 PM
Jan 2020

We live in a tiny blue island in a sea of red in Southern Oregon. The scariest thing we saw driving around this summer was a truck emblazoned with swastikas. One of our very popular local stations has become a Sinclair station and they air all of their toxic crap. Our local newspaper is leaning that way too.

We are retired as well. Hope things get better for you.

Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
7. Thanks but it will not happen...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:13 PM
Jan 2020

We have absolutely no diversity here. If you walk into a restaurant, it is a sea of white. Very few people of color... I taught in a very large school district that had maybe 20 black students. Most of them still keep in touch with me because my library was a haven.

safeinOhio

(32,674 posts)
4. I have a General Sherman tee shirt
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:09 PM
Jan 2020

I wear. When some one ask who it is, I say the greatest Republican General of all time. The guys with Confederate flags never get it.

MontanaMama

(23,313 posts)
5. I live in a big red state.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:11 PM
Jan 2020

I feel you! If I didn’t live in a little blue bubble, I would have lost it by now. DU is a lifesaver.

Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
10. Well, we have that moron Toomey...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:17 PM
Jan 2020

And that horrible moron Reschenthaler as our Reps. Does absolutely no good to call them.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
42. We have Jeffery Beaugard Sessions back with us now
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:16 PM
Jan 2020

He who gave us Stephen Miller.
and of course Roy Moore.

Alabama actually went blue for Doug Jones for Senate.

The saving grace for us in this lil rural town is that politics and religion is not a topic for general conversation, otherwise it would be civil war every day.

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
58. UGH! Reschenthaler is an embarrassment, and I cringed every time he spoke
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 06:30 PM
Jan 2020

during the various impeachment hearings. He spent most of his allotted time to brag about himself and to inflate his resume.

I've called his office several times to voice an opinion and I think the cretin gave my phone number to the NRCC because since then I regularly get calls for donations.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
9. I am so sorry...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:15 PM
Jan 2020



I realize that I am relatively fortunate... yesterday I was driving behind a truck with a trump sticker and it was uncomfortable... I would have a very difficult time if it surrounded me

mahina

(17,651 posts)
11. We need lots more Dems in red areas
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:19 PM
Jan 2020

So thank you. Very sure you’re right, I don’t think I could imagine it

Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
13. We have a lot of Dems here...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:22 PM
Jan 2020

But obviously, they do not get off their lazy asses to vote. Plus, gerrymandering is a nightmare in PA.

PandoraAwakened

(905 posts)
12. I second that hug
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:21 PM
Jan 2020


Moved to Arizona when it was solidly red. It's been a hard fight (because with Rethugs you're always going up against corruption), but now we're purple. If you were blue before, you can get back to it. Arm yourself with info on local Rethug corruption. Then, if you interact with a tRumphumper, pretend you "get" where they're coming from, and then slide in a little "but" zinger about drawing the line at [insert local corruption issue]. It's a slow roll, but it works.

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
35. Agree. I moved to Colorado in 1984
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:44 PM
Jan 2020

Denver was Democratic but the state was red. We’ve changed. Don’t give up..

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
16. You have my respect
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:32 PM
Jan 2020

I live in Seattle, and while it’s more politically schizoid than People think, it’s NOT Trump country.

mcar

(42,307 posts)
18. I live there too
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:37 PM
Jan 2020

but it's in West Central FL. Was solidly Southern Dem when we moved here. But, it's a retirement community and not upper income. Here, it's all about taxes and abortion.

mshasta

(2,108 posts)
23. that's what I don't understand why a retired old folk
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:56 PM
Jan 2020

will be worry about abortion is not like they can get pregnant ....or will be paying child support for 18 years,
and taxes they keep voting for lower tax on the rich like themselves will be rich one day....
idiots

mcar

(42,307 posts)
25. It's a psychosis
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:29 PM
Jan 2020

I've watched people here, who were always Conservative but not crazy, go full on Tea Party, and now full on IMPOTUS cult.

mshasta

(2,108 posts)
20. is going to be ok, every cult has a moment of greatness
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:49 PM
Jan 2020

and follows by a complete collapse and it will be ugly for them ,
the rest of America is better than that, we will prevail, you stay strong, after this nasty dark episode in American History we will come out better and stronger.. we are with you!!

from California

BBG

(2,536 posts)
37. You got that right!
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:46 PM
Jan 2020

We absolutely are with them. Now to get my PA voter registration, dog and driver license and new plates for the car.

Red Mountain

(1,732 posts)
22. Resist
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:54 PM
Jan 2020

Slap a few stickers up on stop signs. Or close to. Cheap. You can do it. I'm going to this fall.

I believe minor acts such as this make people think.

Our current predicament will only be solved by people thinking for themselves.

Questioning. It's there. YOU can help it surface.

Martin Eden

(12,864 posts)
24. You're living in a shithole county
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:00 PM
Jan 2020

Inhabited by shitheads.

If those people were ever normal human beings, maybe they can be again.

Clash City Rocker

(3,396 posts)
26. Sorry to hear that
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:32 PM
Jan 2020

A friend of mine from Pennsylvania says it’s Pittsburgh on one side, Philadelphia on the other, and Alabama in the middle.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
28. I DO have an idea....
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:43 PM
Jan 2020

I live in South Alabama. Mobile, to be precise. I know what it feels like to be surrounded by idiots.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
31. Be a model of tolerance and peace
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:16 PM
Jan 2020

and don't allow their intolerance to get you down. Maybe some of this will rub off on them, or remind them of an earlier time in their lives.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
32. I live in New Mexico,
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:20 PM
Jan 2020

which is reliably Democratic and reasonably progressive.

However, I will say that there is a disturbing amount of corruption here, and it is mostly the Democrats. Being in a solid majority for a long time is not necessarily good. We have a state Senator who recently served four days in jail for a DWI. And this is a man who pontificated about drunk driving until he was stopped, basically three sheets to the wind, last year. Changed his story about how much he'd consumed, refused the breathalizer, failed the field sobriety test, and went to a bench trial. What's sad is that the judge, who could have given him six months, gave him a few days in jail. The good news is that he has a challenger in the primary later this year.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
46. I think the underlying problem
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:39 PM
Jan 2020

really is a lack of a viable two party system. It's helped that the state is not very populous, and (certainly here in Santa Fe) so many people know each other or are related to each other. When I first moved here I was told not to even bother to apply for jobs with the city or the state, as certain families basically have various departments under their control. I don't know how true that is, but I didn't seek out any such jobs.

There's a lot of turning a blind eye to things until it gets just too blatant to ignore, such as Senator Martinez's DWI. Or the Santa Fe sheriff who was caught selling county property on ebay.

JHB

(37,159 posts)
33. Underscoring the effect of RW investment in media and the lack of a counterweight to that.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:29 PM
Jan 2020

One can't simply "put it out there" and expect the MSM to pick it up. You have to have your own apparatus to push your viewpoint.

BBG

(2,536 posts)
34. BBG checking in...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:41 PM
Jan 2020

We moved from Seattle to the Pittsburgh Northside last month. Lo and behold the movers actually moved the household and a couple of progressive thinkers (and voters) as well as the socks and dinosaurs.
I’m sure we will be making visits out to the south hills. Will drag out the Conor Lamb t-shirt to wear and share when we do. Rest assured you are not alone and there are more of us here now than there were just a month ago.

dustyscamp

(2,224 posts)
38. Many places in America are filled with Maga trash
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:55 PM
Jan 2020

Hopefully one day we can make it right and save your city from them

blue neen

(12,319 posts)
39. You are absolutely right about Scaife. He ruined Westmoreland County.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:00 PM
Jan 2020

...and he spend his children's inheritance to do it. Hateful, spiteful man.

Guy Reschenthaler makes me gag. He's a joke. What a shame that we are stuck with him.

Hate the Trump signs, hate the bumper stickers, hate the effing billboards.

I 100% feel your pain.

progressoid

(49,988 posts)
41. I see it in the rural mid-west also.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:42 PM
Jan 2020

Blue collar workers who used to be Democrats are now Trumpanzees.

Our newspapers aren't as bad but we still have AM radio polluting the airwaves.

Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
44. Yep...Butler County is not so great, either.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:00 PM
Jan 2020

I have nieces and nephews there...some are trump humpers...rarely see them.

Dukkha

(7,341 posts)
47. I just traveled to rural Florida
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:58 PM
Jan 2020

Between Tampa and Orlando I was witness to this pukefest roadside known locally as the "I-4 Trump Trailer"


I was visiting my mother in her retirement home who's always badgering me about not visiting. I was immediately reminded why when driving there.

Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
48. There is a whole Trump house near Latrobe, PA..
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 05:16 PM
Jan 2020

Red, white and blue with a 15 foot high trump statue. His cult go and visit it and then put pictures all over facebook.

Dukkha

(7,341 posts)
50. WTF is wrong with these "Americans"!
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 06:11 PM
Jan 2020

Q: What's the difference between the Trump House and the Mansu Hill Grand Monument?
A: Not a damn thing!


spinbaby

(15,089 posts)
49. Waving hello
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 05:52 PM
Jan 2020

I’m in Washington County. Yes, it’s bad, but I recently drove through West Virginia and western Virginia, and it’s worse there, if that’s possible. I’m amazed at how many large roadside signs proclaim Jesus and how often these signs are paired with a Trump sign.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
59. HA I shouldn't laugh but what a sociology glimpse of magat life. Jesus stuff with trump signs Sickos
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 07:02 PM
Jan 2020

KT2000

(20,577 posts)
52. I feel for you
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 06:18 PM
Jan 2020

Scaife was a mess of a person but he knew how to control the message. Rupert Murdoch, Sinclair, FOX, etc. have tied this country up for the conservatives. They captured the dark side and people jumped on board.

getagrip_already

(14,742 posts)
53. They've always been there, now they wear hats.....
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 06:19 PM
Jan 2020

There aren't more of them, they are just bolder. Pride cometh before the fall......

doc03

(35,328 posts)
54. I know how you feel I am in Ohio an hour from Pittsburgh
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 06:21 PM
Jan 2020

same here. There are several of us maybe 6 to 10 that meet up for coffee in the mornings. There are only three of us that
are not Trump humpers. Ten years ago it would have the opposite. It is always the Republicans that try get a political argument going. You can't argue with them, they are armed with alternative facts they hear on Fox and they will not accept the truth.



Here is an example of how stupid these people are: One of them the other day said Trump sent him a coupon for $70 off on
a Trump watch. All he has to do is send $9.95 and shipping to get an $80 watch. (made in China for maybe $3) He already has a
Trumpy Bear.

spinbaby

(15,089 posts)
63. These people are being taken advantage of, definitely
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 07:47 AM
Jan 2020

Here in the Washington, PA area, the Trumpsters are all excited because a Trump bus is parked at a gas station in Eighty Four and is selling Maga merchandise. They’re all convinced somehow that it’s an official part of the Trump campaign and not just some huckster making a buck selling Chinese merchandise.

doc03

(35,328 posts)
65. I was in Wheeling when Trump had one of his
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:30 PM
Jan 2020

rallies. On the street there were several vendors selling Trump shirts and what not. Almost all the vendors were black I suspect they really didn't back him probably just taking the suckers money I hope. No I wasn't there for the rally.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
56. I have an inklimg
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 06:24 PM
Jan 2020

I live in SW Missouri. Roy Blunt was the representative around here. Now it ks Billy Long. My partner went to the same high school that John Ashcroft had attended. Headquarters of the Assemblies of God. Multiple megachurches. Jim Bakker has himself set up a few miles away. AM and FM bands full of RW hate and evangelical claptrap. Plenty of Trumpist deplorables.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
57. As it says at the entrace:
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 06:25 PM
Jan 2020

"Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."

I think many of those people are angry, frightened and confused. There are many issues that can induce a strong, cognitive dissonance and they require more in-depth evaluation and analysis, which is not necessarily an interest of the folks you are describing.

In no way am I sympathizing with them or condoning their capacity to reinforce their narrow, confirmation biases, but I do feel that, if things were not so skewed and economically distressing, they would not be so easily swayed to play Stockholm Syndrome with a bloated tyrant in order to feel safe or reassured; particularly because that is really such a false sense of either and an assurance that there are much deeper rings to the inferno for us all to plunge into.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
61. It's hard to imagine all that. I saw a truck in Dallas with a "piss on liberals" sticker though. :p
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 06:16 AM
Jan 2020

Of course, I always think about that Trump bomber's van when I see a car with stickers now.



He's doing 20 for mailing pipe bombs to prominent Democrats:

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/05/748420957/cesar-sayoc-florida-man-who-mailed-bombs-to-democrats-and-media-gets-20-years

a la izquierda

(11,794 posts)
62. I live just across the border in WV.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 07:20 AM
Jan 2020

I’ve never hated living in a place as much as I abhor living here.
But I’m moving soon, thank the gods.

Tracer

(2,769 posts)
67. Dear Freedom -- I really do sympathize with you!
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:11 PM
Jan 2020

Back in 2016, there was a Trump yard sign a couple of streets away and also a billboard-sized Trump sign in the front yard of a house in the next town.

Those were the only signs I ever saw --- and they are both long GONE.

Maybe you could move to a bluer area?

Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
68. In 2016 before the election...
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:28 PM
Jan 2020

Our moron neighbor surrounded our house with trump signs. We happily burned them in our fire pit.

marlakay

(11,457 posts)
66. My father was raised in West Virginia
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:06 PM
Jan 2020

I think I am grateful to my gramma for moving to CA when her husband died. She actually would have stayed but zero support for widows back then and her mother n law didn’t like her because she was more progressive back then.

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