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[brush]

1. Some have been quite good...Schiff, Demings and Jeffries for example.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

6. Agree on Schiff. Heard an analyst say today that

this is all a unique situation because we are going into this knowing we will lose. And, that Democrats are trying to speak to the public insuring them that there was a reason for impeaching. One person's opinion only, but if true, and you are trying to persuade and sway opinion, you speak without reading, you weave a story, you modulate, you speak with passion.

[targetpractice]

9. Demings is really brilliant, but...

... every time she speaks, she prefaces... "As a former career law enforcement officer..." We get it already.. Just start talking to us.

Her arguments are super solid... I just find it a bit amusing that every time she pops up on my screen she states that.

[brush]

13. Maybe because different viewers tune in throughout the day.

[Judi Lynn]

34. Exactly. Why can't occassional people realize they are getting the FACTS out so everyone will hear?

People everywhere will be tuning in or out during their own available times, by repeating, and using direct language these managers assure everyone gets a chance to hear the actual information, not told to them by unscrupulous Republicans, also intending to conceal the truth.

I cherish the time they are taking and the effort they are making to keep pounding home the FACTS as long as they can. I would imagine people who are hoping as much as I am will appreciate this wonderful exposition they are sharing, revealing as already mentioned the contents of a "mountain of facts" they have already collected without the withheld, denied, buried material they should legally have had long ago to use for this legal process.

Thank you for making the unavoidably important statement.

[hedda_foil]

42. I think Lofgren has done a terrific job of putting expression into the words

[mikewv]

2. Boring

Not convincing anyone outside of those who were already convinced. Disappointed but not pointing blame. How do we convince 3-4 GOP senators?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

8. I think all senators are way beyond being persuaded

Unless maybe we had a primo, master courtroom star atty to evoke emotion.

That said, they all know he's guilty. They are only debating about their own personal dilemma on what to do about it.

[BannonsLiver]

11. The Masked Singer is on

Maybe that’s an option? Perhaps the Kardashians?

[Gidney N Cloyd]

20. Key is having convinced viewers calling their senators to put pressure on them.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

26. Yes. Hoping others have a longer attention span.

[sweetloukillbot]

21. 3-4? We need to convince 20... n/t

[mikewv]

66. to get witnesses and evidence

all I am saying...... this is boring to anyone who does not think like me or vote like me. I want Trump out.

[Judi Lynn]

36. Maybe they are thinking of inspiring the voters to call their senators, even the Republican idiots?

They need to hear from citizens to make them aware how many U.S. Americans want to remove this evil slug.

Hope people of good character will by all means call their senators and leave the vital message they need to hear.

The managers are also trying to reach the people watching, over 11 million.

Welcome to D.U. mikewv.

[mikewv]

68. Thank You

I hope you are right

[LiberalFighter]

3. Not the way I see it.

[2naSalit]

16. +1

[bdamomma]

19. Me either

this our democracy we are talking about, are we going to keep or lose it?

This is for all those people who are not paying attention. Even those Senators who have their fingers in their ears.

[Atticus]

41. Me either. This is not supposed to be entertainment; it is supposed to be a TRIAL.

Presenting all these facts in an organized manner is hard work and undoubtedly exhausting. Listening and trying to understand is also work.

I think the House managers have been spectacular and I would bet you that the Republicans are EMBARRASSED that all they have as a response is arm-waving hyperbolic bullshit presented by pathetic losers like Sekulow and Cippolone.

We will likely lose the trial, but we are playing the cards we were dealt better than anyone had a right to expect. Disappointment in our people is totally unjustified.

[hlthe2b]

62. +++++ (I am shocked at the attitude expressed on this thread)

[H2O Man]

49. +1

[rainy]

4. Yesterday was da bomb, Schiff was phenomenal!

And so were the rest. Tonight is too much low passion delivered with the the information.

[WhiteTara]

35. they're exhausted as McMoscow intended

and this goes on day and night.

[crickets]

38. +1

[greenjar_01]

5. Nonstop

[a kennedy]

7. Sorry, NO ONE IS EVEN WATCHING........

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. Yup. When you lose even your own..

[LiberalFighter]

71. You know that how?

[BannonsLiver]

10. I'm sure the Kardashians are on.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

15. Imagine Netflix's subscriptions way up.

[BannonsLiver]

17. Yes, the last thing any American wants to do is participate in their own democracy

Even passively. It’s just so taxing.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

22. The whole argument could be made in one hour.

Way of the world now, spit it out, bottom line, simple.

[Atticus]

44. Bottom line? You apparently can't or won't understand what is being done

for you by some of the finest and most dedicated Democrats in Congress.

There---I spat it out.

[alittlelark]

14. Demings is speaking to the 'jury'.

I hope they can follow her...

BTW - I don't find it boring at all - I even took my bluetooth into the shower with me !!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

18. That's good.

[blogslut]

23. Unrec

[Sunsky]

25. +1 nt

[nolabear]

24. Well, maybe the GOP will be more exciting.

Drama, tantrums, name calling, all those things that are designed to keep people excited while they rob, kill, betray, etc.

[samnsara]

27. i started feeling like charlie brown listening to his parents

[Gidney N Cloyd]

28. Schiff consistently holds my attention and I think others' too. Demings and Lofgren often do also.

Nadler brings the gravitas but can be a real snore.
I've seen a lot of praise for Jeffries here but I'm not sure I'm on board with it.

[Grasswire2]

29. When Bill Clinton was on trial, there was titillating sex to keep people focused.

Was Benghazi exciting? I didn't watch. Of course, there was a witness answering questions there.

[rockfordfile]

30. You're pushing right-wing talking points.

[Atticus]

45. Thank you. nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

78. No I am not...it's a completely independent observation.

[mcar]

31. Why can history in action be more fun!!

How dare the Democrats not entertain us? Couldn't they do this to music? Gee, the Rs are going to vote to acquit because the Democrats aren't interesting enough.

[global1]

32. So What You Want Is A 'Show Trial'....

Sounds like you've been watching too much TV - just like Trump. Maybe the Dems should have hired Mark Burnett. (sarcasm)

[moondust]

33. It didn't have to be.

It's an open-and-shut case that could have been dispatched with a vote in 15 minutes.

Thank servile Republicans for the length and repetition that they, too, have complained about without a hint of irony.

[VOX]

37. This is a Republican talking point.

Every %^€¥+=! Fox News talking head is reciting the “boring” theme.

From the Washington Post, 1/23/2020:
Impeachment proceedings have something in common with Fox News
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/23/impeachment-proceedings-have-something-common-with-fox-news/
<snip>
At the top of “Fox & Friends” on Thursday morning, Doocy lamented the tendency of the House impeachment managers to revisit themes. “If you were watching yesterday, you heard the same stuff you heard the day before, which you saw in the TV hearings, over and over and over,” said the co-host.


A moment later, he quoted Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.): “Certainly senators are struggling to see why we have to sit there … hearing the same arguments over and over and over and over again.”
[The latest Trump impeachment trial updates]


An hour later, guess what? Doocy & Co. again alighted on the topic of impeachment. “If you watched a little, and watched a little more, they just kept repeating the same stuff over and over and over,” said Doocy.
An hour later, Doocy and couchmates Ainsley Earhardt and Brian Kilmeade discussed whether lawyers for Trump would use their full allotment of 24 hours to make their case before the assembled senators. At which point, Doocy said, “If the Republicans are smart, though, they’re watching the Democrats, who are repeating the same arguments over and over.”
We asked Fox News if Doocy saw any irony in repeating over and over the same argument about the Democrats’ repeating the same arguments over and over. We will update this post if we receive a response.


In tuning in to the impeachment trial, Doocy came face-to-face with his own business model. Repetition, after all, is the foundational formula of all cable news: Find one major story, read it, run some footage, then analyze it. Do a commercial break, cover some other stuff, then return to the major story — more footage, more analysis, more distortion, perhaps courtesy of a guest commentator.
Over and over and over.
<snip>

[Kingofalldems]

56. Bingo.

[Rustyeye77]

39. Not to me... this is the truth.

It may change the pukes minds.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

40. Here you go:

[uponit7771]

43. Isn't this what FAUK News is pushing ? tia

[dpibel]

46. Surprising information

Trials are almost entirely boring.

Even the OJ trial was boring for vast stretches of time.

This is not, actually, entertainment. It's about presenting a meticulous, detailed treatment of a great deal of information.

I guess pizazz would be great. Flashing lights! Horns!!

But that's not the way it works in the real world.

[Demonaut]

47. WTF...not enough pics?

vlad agrees with you

[Laura PourMeADrink]

53. Wow that was shitty.

[Demonaut]

54. like your op

really shitty, what Adam Schiff and the dems have put together..with the little they have, it's great that a poster on THIS site rips the entertainment value

[Laura PourMeADrink]

63. Ok..that's great, your opinion is that we are getting

millions watching and being persuaded - which is the goal right? That's what I thought the goal was. As for Putin...I would guess that the last thing he would want is for people to be persuaded.

[Demonaut]

65. you posted your negative opinion and I responded

good support for our friends

getanotherdrink

[Laura PourMeADrink]

73. You "get another drink" yourself ! It's called honest observation

Acting like something is perfect when it is not is not honest.

[Demonaut]

75. we have a choice to support our politicians, we also have a choice to discredit their efforts

you chose the latter

[Laura PourMeADrink]

77. We have a choice and right to question actions and

strategies. Like I said many times, it has zero to do with people and all to do with achieving an objective. Convincing more people.

[Demonaut]

82. so this strategy didin't meet your expectations so you decide your opinion had to be critical?

I think it was amazing.


I watched the entire argument, maybe the rebuttal will appeal to you more

[Laura PourMeADrink]

87. I think that's super great. I won't disparage you like you

Just did to me, implying I am a repuke or something.

[Demonaut]

88. you disparaged the process, but you don't see that

we evaluate

[Laura PourMeADrink]

90. It is super simple. We are trying to convince a swath

of people out there to turn against trump - who we know is the most dangerous man alive. Period. Paragraph.

The most effective way to do that is to tell a story and emote and modulate and simplify and boil down. If you can find a communications expert who says you do that by reading script for hours and hours off a piece if paper would be really happy to hear it.

[Demonaut]

92. that was done but it still didnt meet your expectations so you chose to disparage the house managers

to all at DU, well done, mission accomplished.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

95. Hey, if your expectations were for boring then you got it !!!

[uponit7771]

57. +1, no ones twerking so Bad Vlad sent out his message via FAUK that everything

... bout this trial is boring.

That's seriously what FAUK news was pushing earlier

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

48. IF I WAS A DEM SENATOR... I would read a whole litany of every other impeachable offense that even

remotely falls under the category of abuse of power - all the instances of profiting materially from the presidency, emoluments, paying off porn stars, etc. etc. etc.

Is there a reason why they need to stick with only the Ukraine incident?

Besides livening up the proceedings, it would establish that the Ukraine thing wasn't a one-off abuse, it's part of an ongoing pattern.

Certainly review the key moments of the house hearings (I know I enjoyed hearing Fiona Hill again) but mix it up a bit.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

50. Great idea !!! But doesn't it have to be about whatever was discussed

in House? Ukraine's just one of many impeachable offenses.

[jmg257]

51. I tell you right now (10pm) it is awesomely clear

WTF those scum were up to...I want to
Smack someone HARD at what they were trying to pull.

I.e. NOT boring but clearly informative evidence.

[Demonaut]

52. six "likes" and 50 responses...nice try

[Laura PourMeADrink]

83. Yup definitely says a lot. No constructive critique

Anymore ..scary

[Demonaut]

84. this was a "one shot" response, , what would you have done?

[Kingofalldems]

55. Wow. Every day.

I have no problem with Democrats.

[greenjar_01]

93. Anything goes, looks like

[Kid Berwyn]

58. The Democrats need pro communication consultants.

Schiff is good. There are flashes by the others. They need a master storyteller, though...one who could immediately grab the nation’s attention and hold it for the whole sordid story.

And it is a hell of a story. The problem is it is a complicated Trump is a traitor. He betrayed the Constitution, the office and the United States of America. His actions advance the interests of our nation’s chief adversary.

Trump hurt an ally by denying them military aid in exchange for help in destroying the reputation of his political rival. His lies serve to repeat propaganda — weaponized speech — developed by Russian military experts. A whistleblower’s report about it all was denied to Congress.

Trump has lied to Congress and the American people. He has ignored his duty and ordered his subordinates to withhold accurate and timely information to Congress. He uses his office for personal enrichment.

Trump covers up his criminality with the help of sitting US Representatives and Senators. Imagine if AOC told it.

[redstateblues]

64. Yeah! Maybe they could get Garrison Keillor to tell the story!

Have a lot of sound effects. Shit like that

[Kid Berwyn]

70. Exactly, if Keillor got 4 Republicans to vote for documents and witnesses.

Things seem demented as Mitch McConnell destroys the Constitution just like the guy in the White House, yet is not held to account.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

69. Yes!!! It is a hell of a story. Sometimes, simple

is better. If you just stop and think about what he did it's so unbelievably ludicrous it takes your breath away -- That there aren't 100 senators chomping at the bit to oust him.

[Kid Berwyn]

74. Jeff Epstein must've taped every perv in Washington.

Seems like ever since Barr came on board, it’s been open season on those who believe in truth and democracy.

[mcar]

86. Yeah, they should make it like "Hamilton"

Set to music and choreography and stuff. AOC could be the star.

The Dems are just bad, bad, bad, aren't they?

[dchill]

60. They can't ALL be Cipollone or Sekulow.

So few have that kind of magic.

[dpibel]

67. Oh, nicely done

[dchill]

72. It will soon be their turn in the barrel.

[redstateblues]

61. Yeah. Maybe they could get the Law and Order cast to perform

[mzmolly]

76. I'm not looking for entertainment but education.

Anyone who tunes in will understand the basics.

Not all impeachments are as exciting as those discussing blow jobs I guess?

[maxrandb]

79. Wasn't there a plot somewhere where Vlad was going to activate the bots

to tell us how "boring" the defense of democracy is?

Asking for a friend

[Laura PourMeADrink]

94. Wasn't there a plot somewhere where bots are

mobilized to squelch any kind of debate and critique about effective communication with the goal to convince the undecideds?

[ismnotwasm]

80. Interesting post

Given so many who WANTED impeachment so vehemently, so passionately they thought Pelosi should be replaced.

Now that impeachment is here, it is..Apparently.. not entertaining ...? enough?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

81. Well I definitely never used the word entertaining. It

Is about persuasion and effective communication.

[TwilightZone]

85. Inflated expectations ran a little rampant.

And wishful thinking.

In reality, this was always how it was going to go. Democrats have made a very clear case; Republicans don't care.

[Karma13612]

89. I hope your mind was changed with Schiff's closing tonight.

It was outstanding.

“Right matters, truth matters”

Incredible

[Laura PourMeADrink]

91. I think he's great too!

[greatauntoftriplets]

96. I hear that there are going to be real fireworks tomorrow.

Moscow Mitch is going to do a striptease while singing "Wrecking Ball to demonstrate his dedication to destroying American democracy.