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Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:26 AM

Was impeachment worth it?


...we proved trump was a criminal (with facts and evidence) and that republicans have bestowed trump with dictatorial powers to undermine our future elections and more...

...as facts, witnesses and evidence emerge, Democrats will now have the opportunity to discuss this at length with conviction and credibility going forward to November...

...impeachment has demonstrate in the public mind a very important fact,

...the Democratic Party is not only on the right side of history, the Constitution and America with impeachment, we're strong enough and fearless enough to challenge the autocratic and dictatorial rule of trump and the republicans...we're more than capable in image and grit...

...to have done nothing would have displayed weakness, fear and cowardness in the face of trump's impeachable acts and agression…

...thanks to Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Representative Adam Schiff and the brave group of Managers, we have conclusively demonstrated that we are not only the Party of true American values, the Constitution and American freedom, we are the Party capable and willing to kick trump's ass and hold him accountable...

Was impeachment worth it?

...IMO, more than worth it....

...what do you say?

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:27 AM

1. It had to been if for nothing else, to put it on the record

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:45 PM

80. Yes! A 2/3 vote was never expected anyway, but this does vividly display Republican corruption.

The suppression of witnesses, documents, and evidence; and the deeply incoherent and flagrantly illogical arguments, all serve to expose the depths to which the Republican party has sunk, and the Democratic nominee, whomever it is, will benefit by exploiting that. Republicans who claim moral values need to be alerted that they aren't being asked to leave the GOP, but to acknowledge that the GOP has left them.

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Response to Towlie (Reply #80)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 02:00 PM

98. +++

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:29 AM

2. If nothing more it documented what killed the Republic.

So it's better to go down with a bang.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:29 AM

3. It was. It put the case before the public.

It exposed Donald Trump for who he is and generated additional information that will continue to become available.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:39 AM

53. +100000

Completely Agree

It was worth it and I also suspect that he will be impeached again.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 08:29 PM

124. K&R

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:30 AM

4. It was the House's duty and they performed it well.

IMHO

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Response to spanone (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:15 AM

35. Yes, we could not ignore the behavior.

If the House had not done this, it would have been accepting what he did.

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Response to TNNurse (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:51 PM

83. It will only NOT have been worth it if

the Democrats fail to exploit it to the MAX.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:31 AM

5. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

Yeah, it was worth it.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:31 AM

6. It had to be done and if history survives the Democrats will come out gleaming. nt

 

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 07:51 PM

122. "It had to be done"

If it had to be done, & the results were a foregone conclusion, was the House entrapped into doing this somehow?

Were they hornswoggled into wrapping it up too early? Or did they start the process too early? Or too late?

People here contend the House has more shots at this but I wonder if that's how the politics theater show plays. Well, we can count on Mr Trump to turn his victory lap into series of slips and stumbles but so what.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:35 AM

7. Yes.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:36 AM

8. Yes, the record will show that the American people are disgusted with him and the GOP

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:37 AM

9. Yes. It had to be done. Someone had to stand up for The Constitution

and the intent for three co-equal branches of government. Trump abused his power and obstructed Congress. No doubt about it. The Democrats did exactly the right thing.

The Republicans are traitors. Liars. They have betrayed their oath of office.

History will remember.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:37 AM

10. Yes, impeachment was worth it

Perhaps more than any previous impeachment (counting Nixon’s near-impeachment), this one addressed an existential threat to democracy itself. It had to be done. In the near term, impeachment has revealed republicans as mercenary, lock-step enablers of the worst despot to ever come down the pike. Their unwillingness to even go through the motions of fulfilling their duty is a gift to our candidates.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:39 AM

11. It showed that slightly more than half the country wanted to set rules and guidelines...

So, in that respect, the Democrats are still on the right side of history.

If it happens again, he should be impeached again.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:46 AM

12. Definitely. I would have been furious if he wasn't impeached.

Better to go down with a fight.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:46 AM

13. In a word, yes.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:47 AM

14. Absolutely, yes! The record showed he was accused ,

and a corrupt Senate let him go.

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Response to jrthin (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:18 AM

39. Agreed.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:47 AM

15. They had no choice

If they looked the other way, they were (nearly) as bad as the Republicans.
There was a chance (slim at best) that it could stop Trump.
It has helped to expose the problem to a number of the American people who don't watch FOX

In the face of this, why should Nancy continue with the State of the Union. Why doesn't Nancy pull the invite of a criminal to address the nation? This crook deserves no reverence for corrupting the Republic into a dictatorship.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:48 AM

16. This country will kick any dictator to the curb

no matter how many Bund rallies they hold

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:13 PM

90. Exactly!

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 02:40 PM

106. Yeah, then why are so many still enthralled with drumpf?

Why did the Senate just vote that he is in actions and accountability a dictator and is not accountable to follow any laws he doesn't want to? Germany tolerated and eventually loved its' dictator, right wing Americans are already there.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:48 AM

17. We should have gotten his tax returns out of this

If a Presidential impeachment didn't get his 1040, we probably won't get it ever now.

Other yes it was worth it. That was 4 years of hard work and Pelosi and team deserve a thank you.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:51 AM

18. Sure - it was always about the election, and all of this out in the open won't hurt.

While his staunch supporters wont care/won't be swayed, a nice % otherwise in the middle will see the truth!

The real problem is the bi-polar nature of politics in this country. Expecting the other side to do anything to help our case - literally in this instance - is naive. Now all we will hear about is "no witnesses no trial".

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:53 AM

19. A nation must have an historical record. So, yes. It was worth it. Impeachment prevents the

normalization of lawlessness. It didn't stop it, but established the lawlessness of the president. The non- trial established the corruption of his defense team and the 51 senators who didn't allow a trial.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:54 AM

20. I think the impeachment was well worth it

Not only for doing the right thing in defending the Constitution but it also gave many busy Americans the chance to see exactly what Trump and the Republicans are truly made of. For the majority of us, this was beyond troubling and I think there will be consequences on down the road. This is far from over.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:54 AM

21. YES it was.

It exposed tRump for the crook that he is, also the gop for the traitors that they are. All their talk about being the "party of family values" went out the window, when they covered up for their liar in chief. The democratic party stands for what is right and fair. The gop stands for - WHAT exactly?

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:55 AM

22. Absolutely yes.

Trump is a criminal, and the House proved it even with Trump’s obstruction. The public also got to see Republicans in the House behaving like howling banshees foaming at the mouth. The public has also now seen that Senate Republicans are just as amoral as their leader and have no concern whatsoever about preserving the rule of law or fulfilling their Constitutional duty to hold a president accountable for illegal actions. Trump’s base will not care, but there are many independent voters who will.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:55 AM

23. Yes.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:58 AM

24. truth is always worth it.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:00 AM

25. Yes! I'll take the right side of history any day

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:03 AM

26. No question.

Truth is always worth it. It is always the right thing to stand with what is true...even when it hurts. Look what we accomplished? I don’t think many Americans thought it could/would be done.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:03 AM

27. It is always worth it

When Congress holds corrupt presidents accountable, and is their constitutional duty they took an oath to uphold. Republicans are responsible for helping him corrupt our government now by allowing his and their crimes to be covered up. They can't stop the truth from coming out and exposing them. It will come out and expose them all.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:06 AM

28. Yes... but it doesn't mean they stop here

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Response to In It to Win It (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:08 AM

31. This.

Impeach him over and over again up through the election. We'll give the Con something to brag about—"I've been impeached more than any other president in the US."

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #31)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:12 AM

34. ...and who are we kidding? Trump will fuck up again.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:07 AM

29. When you are fighting for the truth, it is always worth it

Defeats happen; that doesn't mean you were wrong--only that you weren't strong enough THIS TIME.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:08 AM

30. ABSO-FUCKIN-LUTELY!!!

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:10 AM

32. Absolutely!

We couldn't let that stand and if more criminal acts are revealed they should do it again.

This Impeachment will not earn Trump any more supporters and most importantly,it may have awoken the Middle and those who don't usually vote and spur them into doing so now.

It's also important to keep investigating and revealing more and more criminality as it is discovered ... and we know there is a bunch.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:10 AM

33. Yep, well worth it.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:15 AM

36. Yes. It was not only worth it but necessary. nt

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:16 AM

37. Bookmark this thread

And re-visit it once we have a Dem President and Senate.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:18 AM

38. Absolutely. The electorate knows how morally corrupt the GOP is now. n/t

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:24 AM

40. It had to be done

Let Republicans wear the collar of dereliction of duty.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:25 AM

41. The bare naked truth,..

... shut Cipollone right the fuck up real quick.

Now there is a solid record of what these Fascists did to keep their fuhrer in the White People's - White House no matter the illegalities involved to achieve that goal.

More evidence will come forth to implicate the AmeriKKKan Nazi Party before the November election. They think they won a big one,... but they set their asses on fire.

More to come that will more fully reveal their criminality showing how they hate Democracy and embrace a Fascistic Dictatorship.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:27 AM

42. Absolutely n/t

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:28 AM

43. Hell YES!

I feel such gratitude to the Democratic leadership for pushing forward and pursuing impeachment.
They were extraordinary.




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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:29 AM

44. For sure, expose the Unamerican Senators


Power over country fools!

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:30 AM

45. We had no choice.

It was constitutionally required. We had to try.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:31 AM

46. For my faith in constitutional government, absolutely!

For the nation, we will see in November.

And I believe it will be a good election night for Democrats across the nation.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:31 AM

47. They need to do it again. Call John Bolton. Lev Parnas. Now.

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Response to zaj (Reply #47)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:07 PM

61. Yes, asap. Committee hearings. Bet a percentage of

the population won't even realize the Impeachment trial is over. I think a formal setting in front of House is superior to chats on CNN and MSNBC. Key is to make sure Fox covers huh.

Like someone said, it was a lost opportunity having Parnas on Rachel. No Fox viewer ever watches Rachel. Better if Chris Wallace had had it.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:32 AM

48. Absolutely -- it would have been worse to do nothing.

Impeachment is like love -- better to have done it and lost than not to have done it at all.


rocktivity

P.S. It was I who first posted the patriot smiley to DU; the admins added it to their smiley list within 36 hours

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:32 AM

49. Yes, of coarse it was, he is on historical record as being impeached though in a fascist state like

we now have history is rewritten by the minute. Sad to say but I don't like to sugarcoat, tRump will come out smelling like a rose.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:32 AM

50. It documented some of his crimes, should have been more. It was the right thing to do.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:33 AM

51. Yes! Democracy dies in darkness.

To know is to participate, one way or another.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:34 AM

52. Yes...nt

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:51 AM

54. It was not only "worth it" it was absolutely necessary...

otherwise the Democrats would have been just as complicit as the repugs.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:54 AM

55. YES!!!!

And if he gets out of line, we should do it again.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:55 AM

56. The end was a foregone conclusion

The information brought out by the House committees and managers is now firmly in the public eye. It was well worth it.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:00 PM

57. It had to be done. I think it's made Trump almost invincible BUT...

 

to NOT impeach him would be to cede forever any claim as a Democratic Party to believe in rule of law.

Trump won, but that does not mean it wasn't a fight worth fighting.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:02 PM

58. Absolutely. Whether he was impeached or not,

his goal was/is the same. Better to take a stand. No value or honor in doing nothing. This is just the beginning. We have faced and won other battles against corruption and fascism. So here are some inspiring words from one of our own leaders in those battles to remind us of how bad it has sometimes been and that we have won before. The points made in these words apply directly to us today.

FDR radio address in the 1936 presidential campaign, during the Great Depression and rising fascism.

https://patriotpost.us/documents/284


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Response to wnylib (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:44 PM

97. What an excellent speech!

All of FDR's message still rings true today. Thank you for posting that, wnylib.

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Response to crickets (Reply #97)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 03:27 PM

110. When I get discouraged and fearful about

where we are and seem to be going, it helps me to remember some of the past crises we have faced and overcome.

Imagine how people felt in the years just before and during the Civil War.

Easier for me to imagine is the Depression followed by WW2, since those were in my parents' lifetimes and I heard so much about it growing up, not just from them, but from teachers, books, films, etc.

In the Civil War, we had Lincoln. In the Depression and WW2, we had FDR. Today, we have Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, and Schumer. We will get through this. It will not be easy, and I think it will be quite ugly at times, but we will make it.

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Response to crickets (Reply #97)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 04:01 PM

112. In these words from that speech, Roosevelt

could have been speaking to us today. In fact, he is, because these issues are timeless. No wonder he was elected 4 times.

From the above-linked speech by FDR in the 1936 presidential campaign:

"They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob."

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Response to wnylib (Reply #112)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 04:32 PM

115. That very quote jumped out at me.

While it's frustrating we still seem to grapple with the same challenges this far on, it's a tribute to Roosevelt that even today his words still provide wisdom and comfort.

FDR Library New Digital Speech Collections

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Response to crickets (Reply #115)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:20 PM

133. These challenges are timeless. There

will always be people who try to dominate government for themselves at the expense of the total citizenry. The cost of liberty and democracy is eternal vigilance.

We have some tough battles ahead. We can win them, so long as there are people who care enough to fight those battles.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #133)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:22 PM

134. Thanks for the link.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #58)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 02:47 AM

142. Government by organized mob

I’ve heard FDR’s speech many times, but that phrase describes the present situation perfectly.

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Response to Cbarwitz (Reply #142)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 08:56 AM

147. Remarkable, isn't it? As if 7 decades had not passed

since those words were spoken.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:04 PM

59. YES

It's part of the historical record of the country now. When we WIN resoundantly in November, and we MUST, then it would have been well worth it. We must not waver. This is the fight. This is our struggle to put our country back on the proverbial rails. We ARE on the right side of history.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:05 PM

60. Yes. Game's not over, people.

Hell, we're not even in the 4th quarter yet.

That 4th quarter starts after the SOTU address February 4 and ends on November 3rd.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:07 PM

62. Absolutely necessary.

Staying silent would be unforgivable.

If a large powerful foreign army were to invade a much smaller country, would you not expect its citizens to want to fight back even if they knew they would likely lose?

Same exact thing here.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:09 PM

63. Unequivocally worth it! Thanks to the entire Dem team - great job. nt

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:10 PM

64. 75% of polled Americans said the Senate should call witnesses

Specifically, to hear what Bolton had to offer. Seventy Five PERCENT! Since when have Americans been THAT united? And the Republican senate defied the wishes of the American people. Let’s hope those 75% who desire truth and clarity make it to the polls in November.

Hell yes, it was worth it. Let’s hope it wakes the populace from their slumber.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:10 PM

65. Yes it was the correct thing to do. No regrets. Now the dems need to keep their messaging loud,

clear and coordinated about the treasonous behavior of both the pResident and corrupt Senate. Fight fire with more fire and righteous indignation.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:12 PM

66. Yes! I think there is a possibility that he now might

think twice before asking anyone to dig up dirt on any of his opponents.

Wish we had done it sooner, but better late than never.

#censure

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #66)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:44 PM

79. Absolutely not

"there is a possibility that he now might think twice"

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how narcissistic psychopaths think. He now knows what he can & cannot get away with (to the extent that his brain can still "know" anything). He pushed the boundary right off the page!

This is a win, so he's been rewarded for his behavior.

Not only will the dirt digging on election opponents get revved up to full blast (no consequences), but he will probably exact revenge on his opponents in the House & the witnesses at their hearings. That's what this kind of narc does.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:16 PM

67. Yes. It shows that we are on the right side of history and MF45 will always carry the

stain of impeachment, no matter how vindicated he considers himself to be. It proves that the Democrats are the party of honor, truth and decency and that the republicans are the party of lies, corruption and deceit. They may have squeaked by again this time, but they can only get away with this charade for so long. A majority of the American people know exactly what they are up to and they will not prevail.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:20 PM

68. I say yes

There was no way to avoid impeachment, except to make Trump king and end American democracy. Even though the GOP will not remove him from office, it was important to get them all on the record as letting Trump off the hook. Plus, Trump will have the stain of impeachment forever. And maybe it turned a few Trump voters, who knows? I think a lot of his voters were unaware of what kind of person he was. Now they know.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:23 PM

69. I'm on the fence.

For all of what you said...excellent points btw...

Now Trump gets to GLOAT about acquittal

tbh I'm not sure how much more of his smug boasting I can take.

that 51-49 vote had me in tears. MurCOWski can rot in hell

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Response to SylviaD (Reply #69)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:33 PM

96. If it wasn't Murcowski, it would have been

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Collins. They can both rot in hell.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:27 PM

70. absolutely worth it

I would find something else and impeach him again

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:28 PM

71. TOtally worth it.

Keep investigating right up to the election, too.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:30 PM

72. What was the alternative? Short term or long term it was unavoidable...

now it's our job to turn it into a win in November and a victory for Democracy.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:30 PM

73. YES YES YES YES we proved he was GUILTY and the GOP senators DON'T CARE. Cowards 1 and all.

YES YES YES YES we proved he was GUILTY and the GOP senators DON'T CARE. COWARDS ONE AND ALL.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:35 PM

74. Shoeless Joe Jackson was acquitted

but his career was over. He was finished. Read about him.

The reason I brought this up I was reading an article comparing Trump
to Barry Bonds (whose records will be marred by an asterisk).

Then I remembered Shoeless Joe. LOL

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:36 PM

75. In my opinion, the second worst tactical thing the party has ever done

I think it increased the chances of Trump winning re-election and of us losing more races down ticket.

These folks live for vengeance their over-active amygdalas have been stimulated even more than usual. The fence-sitters have been shaken off, and I don't think that is a Good Thing for November. The need for internal consistency (IOW the need to vote again the way they did before instead of acknowledging that they made a mistake in 2016) will easily override any facts dug up and proven precisely because of the binary nature of 'guilty/innocent (*NOT* "Not guilty" as lawyers try, futilely to explain it) that nearly every person who is not a lawyer applies to any trial

And expect every Democratic president to be impeached any time the Republicans have a majority in the house from now on.

Morally justified? Sure. Important in the larger historical context? Perhaps. Strategically damaging to the Republican party long-term? Possibly.

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Response to The Mouth (Reply #75)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:49 PM

82. Mostly agree

Not sure about the races, tho. I think it might be a wash for Mr Trump - he will win or lose based on everything.

I wonder about the Senate. The Dems need to concentrate on this & get to a majority. Maybe they should even forget about the presidency unless they identify a good psychopathic candidate (God help us). Control of Senate votes controls what the president can do. The Republican senators have been ID'd as cult members and leeches. Does that have any consequences anywhere? Enough to tip a few races and pull the majority away from the Republicans?

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Response to The Mouth (Reply #75)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 12:33 AM

135. Couldn't Agree More

Completely the wrong thing to do with this moron. And you don’t start a fight you have no chance of winning. There are no points for being right in this game.

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Response to The Mouth (Reply #75)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 03:06 AM

144. Vengeance for Impeaching a Guilty President?

That argument might make sense to me if impeachment were entirely political driven and Trump was perceived as a victim.

Most in the criminal organization known as the GOP admits his actions (now acknowledged as true) were subject to censor and “inappropriate”. A poll had 75% wanting witnesses to testify. Vengeance at would not be the normal reaction in my humble opinion.

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Response to Cbarwitz (Reply #144)

Mon Feb 3, 2020, 03:50 PM

149. Yep

Just like the Mob would take vengeance on you or me for going to the cops.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:37 PM

76. Probably not

On the con side, it accomplished nothing of substance
Mr Trump is now enabled to run foreign policy as a corruption machine for himself, there are no consequences
He will also be enabled to take revenge - he's as spiteful as can be & everyone who acted against him is now going to face the music from Barr's Justice department.
The validity of the elections coming up is in more doubt

On the pro side, it ties the Republican party firmly to Mr Trump.
(this has a con side as well - there will be zero dissent on anything)
Generally people don't like Trumpism, but it matters a lot where (which states) this is, & it's only the first of Feb - lots of things are going to happen between now & Nov

Everything now depends on the upcoming election & Mr Trump's declining health. The Democrats should pay more attention to the Senate than the presidency. Unless they plan to take advantage of this presidential precedent. (Who's the logical choice for that direction?)





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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:37 PM

77. Yes, absolutely necessary and absolutely worth it.

This is not, however, the end of the job. Much work is required going forward.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:38 PM

78. YES!

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:46 PM

81. Absolutely worth it!

It showed which party was willing to fight for the Republic!

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:57 PM

84. Yes.

It was the right and only option.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:04 PM

85. Absolutely! It was a win win situation.

We win if the Senate removed Trump. We win if they don't because it then puts Republican on the record that they are crooks and traitors.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:06 PM

86. YES, and impeach him again as new misdeeds are uncovered

The truth is always good!

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:09 PM

87. Yes, because everyone of the senators willingly practiced Trump scatophilia

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:09 PM

88. Definitely!

Thank you.

Recommended!

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:12 PM

89. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:14 PM

91. Senate is in okay for 2020 now

So hell yes

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:16 PM

92. YES. YES. YES. YES. YES.

It HAD TO be done.

If for no other reason as the proverbial “message in a bottle” to the future. We stuck a flag in the sand.

We did that on the moon, too. And shit - maybe that flag will go unseen for generations or however long it’ll take us to get back up there in future space expeditions.

We left a mark. Forever and for all time. And we had to. We had to do that. And we had to do this, too. We left this flag “planted in the sand” of the pages of history books in the future. Where perhaps cooler heads and more clear-eyed analysis and understanding can learn from it.

We needed to leave a mark on donald trump. WE needed to BRAND HIM. After all, he’s the guy who wants his name on everything in huge gold-colored letters everywhere, in much the same way as a dog will want to pee on everything to mark its territory as its own. So WE have now peed on his brand. His name and his “almighty” brand will from now on carry the mark of “IMPEACHED.” He’ll ALWAYS carry that mark whether he likes it or not. He’ll always be listed in the membership of that “exclusive club”. And NOTHING will change that or erase that or excuse OR lie it away. NOTHING.

Even a Senate vote to acquit won’t change that. Won’t make that blemish go away. Won’t change that reality. Or that absolute (and, mind you, NOT “alternative”) FACT. The IMPEACHMENT stands. As Speaker Pelosi said - “impeachment is forever.”

Period. End of sentence. Full stop.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:17 PM

93. This was NEVER an "end justifies the means" decision

We all knew going in that the GOP would obstruct and obfuscate.

Impeachment was carried out because, in light of the crimes and the conspiracy to commit crimes, we had a constitutional imperative to proceed.

It is apparent, however, the the impeachment mechanism created in the Constitution is woefully inadequate in these days of partisan politics and entertainment-driven news.

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Response to Mr. Ected (Reply #93)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 07:45 PM

121. Huh?

I don't even understand the apparent straw man here.

The question is, was impeachment worth it?
"worth" can only be presumed to mean some value was produced that outweighed it, presumably the cost.
Right now, in doubt (& probably no, in my opinion, but I can hope to be wrong).

I thought the general ineffectiveness of the impeachment process was a well - known defect of our system long before this particular fiasco.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:21 PM

94. Hearing Adam Schiff and the rest of the managers made me proud.

I did not know how very talented the House members are and smart.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:22 PM

95. For those saying it was not worth it....

Maybe every single soldier dead, wounded, and suffering, tens of thousands homeless, 25+ committing succeed every day, ask them if the country was worth it. I served during Viet Nam, and right now I do not believe my sacrifice was worth the cowards that suffered so hard through this trail. I am sick to my stomach at what is being allowed to happen to the country, because you think a fight is not worth it. I will never salute, stand or remove my hat for a song praising this current shit hole treasonous GOP country. Sorry for the inconvienous of a battle for democracy, sorry for the lives, limbs, souls, and mental state you suffered through this battle. MAGA

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 02:04 PM

99. Ugh

I would say yes, because it brought some of the filth to light. On a more cynical note, at least for a couple of days the senate was to busy to try and ram more tax cuts and abortion bans through.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 02:07 PM

100. Yep!

Now Benghazi his ass until November.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 02:18 PM

101. Potentially. If the Democrats do not back down or waver on the message.

We have to do 2 very important things this campaign season.

The first is to not back down on the message that the GOP is corrupt and has sided with a criminal rather than the foundations of this nation: the rule of law, that no person is above the law, and that Americans stand united against foreign adversaries despite domestic differences. Republicans have defended Russia, more than they have defended the Constitution. They have allowed their own Constitutional power to be severely eroded to assist a man who does not give one squirt of piss about them and would sell all of us out for profit.

Second and equally important, we have to give voters something to vote FOR. We cannot rely on showing what scumbags Trump and the Republicans are. Most people know that. Trump supporters likely know it, but they don't care because they feel that Trump is giving them something (if only the permission to be the assholes they have always been). We all know it. The significant block of people who can but do not vote know it too. The problem with this last group is that they likely think that Democrats are okay and all, but won't do anything to really make change and improve their lives. Saying and proving that Trump and the GOP are scum, will likely not really motivate them. We need to have clear, easy to understand policies that will help them and not just keep benefiting the richest people.

The Impeachment is important and the trial is important in solidifying the first part of this equation, but we will need more to win in November.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 02:21 PM

102. It's an insult to the two other presidents who were impeached...

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 02:22 PM

103. They. are. on. record. nt

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 02:37 PM

104. Absolutely had to be done, couldn't not do it.

Even if Pelosi had pursued this more thoroughly through the courts, it wouldn't have mattered. Roberts would always rule with the other 4 Russian Repug SCOTUS (in)justices because he is part of the Russian Repug right wing cabal. The way the vote went down shows it and shows their hand. They are saving Roberts now so he can (not) surprisingly rule that the thief of the office can do any fucking thing he wants - only in much nicer language and not until after the election. The constitution has been shredded, only they will continue to lie & pretend they care about our laws - but only to use them again if any Democrat ever overcomes their hacking and vote suppression. Republicans now are above the law - per the AG and the Senate.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 02:38 PM

105. More than worth it.

It was the right thing to do.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 02:42 PM

107. Nothing says...

...that we can't impeach his crusty "239" pound ass again.

RESIST!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #107)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 03:58 PM

111. Only the 3rd President to be impeached. BUT could he become...

... the first to be twice-impeached?



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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 02:54 PM

108. Yes!

At least the world will know there are some honorable people in America.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 03:15 PM

109. Sure was!

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 04:07 PM

113. How about a message to your Republican senator(s)...

This is what I sent:

It has been said that a contract is only as good as the integrity of the parties who sign it. I guess the same goes for a constitution, or a law, or an oath of office. If the people involved chose to game the system, then it will not work. I sure as hell would not sign a contract with you and your Russian Republican comrades.

Maybe a similar message to the local newspaper, Facebook, etc.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 04:19 PM

114. Hell yeah!

Them failing to do their job does not negate the need for us to do ours.

Assuming the Senate chooses to not remove Dolt45 from office, then we have a great chance to pick up tons of seats and momentum going into the 2020 election.

And as emotions die down, the facts will remain: Trump is impossibly corrupt, any charges he levels against the Dems are foreign-sources hit jobs, and the Republicans are do-nothing America-last bootlickers.

Goddamn, don't they see that if the get him out of office, they're RID OF HIM FOREVER. He can't run again for high office after being removed by the Senate!

All he can do is Twitter-pout!

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 05:09 PM

116. Impeachment was for the Democrats to EXPOSE the Republicans' COVER UP!

A case study in political Yin and Yang, putting the essential differences between our two political parties into very stark relief.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 06:28 PM

117. Yes.

As many people above have already posted, it had to be done.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 07:12 PM

118. NO

 

The whole thing was contrived theater. We should be focused on the election.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 07:16 PM

119. Yes

For at least 3 reasons:

1) The Constitution demanded it;

2) this president was impeached, ergo, he cannot be pardoned (for the acts in the articles, I do believe) and,

3) the contrast between all of the president's lying, incompetent lawyers and the reality based, legally astute house managers was readily apparent to anyone who tuned even for a few minutes.

As a added bonus, the president and most GOP senators were revealed to the public as thin skinned sycophants of a corrupt and corrupting man

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 07:29 PM

120. Democratic Party

The Party of the people

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 07:53 PM

123. YES YES YES two reasons (of MANY)

1( exposed DT for what he is) 2 (exposed the senate rethugs for what THEY are) NOW the public knows!!

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 08:35 PM

125. Trump is a crook, he deserved to be impeached.

Democrats did the right thing. It's not their fault if Republicans sold their souls to the orange devil.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 08:47 PM

126. Shows the world that most of the USA does not support or respect him. Well worth it !!!

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Response to Prosper (Reply #126)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 12:38 AM

136. It Shoes The World

that in America now you can get away with this crap.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 09:08 PM

127. Yes. Sometimes you just have to stand up and say something is wrong.

The one thing you can control is your own reaction and in this case, the only acceptable reaction was immediate, public and very vocal condemnation.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 09:14 PM

128. Yes

You drag their asses out into light kicking and screaming. Let the Republicans continue to show their whole entire ass to everybody. Strip them of every last talking point and dodge to hide behind.

Once those are all gone you start attacking them on those points and you don't stop. They get loud and we get louder. Jab with the facts, cross with the hypocrisies, uppercut with the truth and when the ref comes to break it up we just keep punching anyway. Too much is at stake to try and win with style points.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 09:18 PM

129. Pose this question as a DU Poll.

I bet 99% would say "yes, it was".

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 09:23 PM

130. Sure was!

I am waiting for Trump to announce that the RNC has agreed to rebranding the Party as the Trump Political Party.

Should happen soon. Who would protest?

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:46 PM

131. YES! Remember HE WILL ALWAYS BE AN IM[EACHED PRESIDENT! That really ticks him off!

To be able to get under his skin this bad was worth every second!

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:12 PM

132. Definitely worth it!

Didn't expect any other outcome though.

When Mitch announced it was going to be a fake trial, no Republicans stood up and contradicted him.

But it brings it all out in the open. Those who care, will see more clearly. The brain dead won't care, but it will all go down in the history books.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 01:04 AM

137. It was an unpleasant thing

But it had to be done for historical precedent.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 01:06 AM

138. Yes! It got the traitors on record.

No ambiguity involved.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 01:12 AM

139. Yes....n/t

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 01:18 AM

140. Yes, Yes and Yes

We exposed the traitors. We got out the truth. We are on the right side of history.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 02:24 AM

141. I don't think a thing as serious as impeachment should be weighed on the...


"worth" of its consequences for the next election.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 03:06 AM

143. Yes.

It was worth it for all the reasons you've stated. I belong to a group called Tell Them Tuesday which has held protests in front of Lindsey Graham's Greenville, SC office every single Tuesday since January 24, 2017. In July we added Saturdays as well and I'm one of the organizers of those protests. It's been a hard three years and I have to admit, I'm tired. However, I've just committed to precinct reorganization and pledged to myself to work like a fiend from hell to get out the vote and kick Trump, Lindsey, and Mitch out on their sorry asses. I want to know, at the end of the day, that I've done as much as I could to keep the country I love free.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 03:47 AM

145. There was no other choice.

"...to have done nothing would have displayed weakness, fear and cowardice in the face of trump's impeachable acts and aggression…"

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 04:17 AM

146. GOP has shown they will do anything to win if they can get away with it.

It was worth it to help spread the word about that. I can't wait to see what the turnout is in November.

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Response to myohmy2 (Original post)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 09:55 AM

148. We will find out in November. n/t

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