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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMaybe there's a different way to break Trump.
Maybe Carville is on to something when he says we need to stop saying how powerful Trump is.
King! Most powerful! He's being lauded for his strength on all sides.
Maybe the key to breaking him is to focus on his weaknesses and to ALLOW him to wallow in his grievances.
Give him pity. Lay it on really thick.
Oh...he's being used by Stephen Miller and Jared and Pence and so many others to get what THEY want...
...while he lives this miserable life of investigations and attacks and constant grief.
Everyone is using him! And laughing behind his back!
He left his great life in NYC to be used and abused every day in Washington. He could trust his friends then, and he was free to do as he wished.
His health has suffered, his mood is black, and he's getting deeper and deeper into a grand mess because others are USING HIM. Even his family, who get what they want while he pays the price, the enormous price.
Talk about his weaknesses. List all of the investigations that have happened because people have betrayed him/used him. Jeff Sessions, etc. etc. etc.
Talk about ANYTHING except strength.
Drive a wedge between him and those who he thinks are on his team. We know how fast a narcissist will jettison someone he no longer trusts.
Get my drift?
misanthrope
(7,432 posts)I think it would drive him nuts.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)You get it. He's so easily manipulated.
Turn the tables. Make him afraid of the ones closest to him. It will draw his madness that other direction.
DeminPennswoods
(15,292 posts)Trump demands to be the center of attention at all times. Shunning is the remedy for that.
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)Bloomberg seems to be a Master at driving Trump nuts. Joe does a good job of laughing at him.
Any of the Democrats running would be better.
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)...especially knowing how easily triggered he would be by this tactic.
He really is a pathetic example of a turd with legs. He would be enraged by derision and ridicule, especially when he knows it's true. Just like when the Emperor realized that he was balls out and bare assed naked.
RESIST!
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,510 posts)DFW
(54,462 posts)We were on vacation in the States in July 2016, and the first thing she said was, "why is Trump all over the media and not Hillary?"
She was amazed at how the media (not Fox Noise, which we did not watch), was broadcasting Trump speeches in their entirety and 20 second snips of anything Hillary had to say. She told me to watch out and temper my optimism, because the media IS the message, and if the population hears Trump 24/7, that's who too many of them will vote for.
It's no different than cereal advertising. If you see 100 ads for Cheerios and 3 ads for Cocoa Puffs, you will buy Cheerios. That is exactly what happened.
Ignore Trump, and you do to him what the revelation of 1000 scandals can never do. Besides, it's not like he ever has anything new to say anyhow, even on those rare occasions when it IS coherent.
safeinOhio
(32,738 posts)It's just so easy to piss him off.
I'm really thinking about crossing over and voting on the Michigan publican ballot. Doesn't look like any down ballot Dems running and I can still vote for school funding. I know, from experience, that the other side will be crossing over to vote for Sanders as they think he will be an easy target for tRump. That's fine with me, I'm good any Dem winning our primary. But, I also know how pissed he'll be if any, or hopefully a bunch of Michiganders, vote for a different Publican.
Not worried about junk mail from the Publican party. let them waste their stamps and I already toss more than half of my mail with out opening it. Can also be fun screwing up their push polls they send out.
pansypoo53219
(21,005 posts)he wants only yes men.
woodsprite
(11,935 posts)MrModerate
(9,753 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)His vanity and ego for one. He is hyperconcerned about his looks and his weight especially
Whats on TV and ratings? He is beyond fixated on that. He is seeing Bloombergs ads and they are grating him
Shallow stuff really. The important shit, his lies his crimes his grifting do not matter
malaise
(269,237 posts)Ridicule the fucking fool!
Dorian Gray
(13,514 posts)they all hate him but stay close out of political expediency.
He's accessible to them and that makes him feel powerful. They want to be around him bc he can make what they want to happen feel easier, and he mistakes that for importance.
lastlib
(23,344 posts)I've said bfore that he's not powerful; he is just used by powerful people as a tool to get what they want. You have a good idea here, but it's not US that's propagating the myth that he's powerful--it's the media. THAT is who must convey the message of his weakness--and I seriously doubt that they would do it. Maybe our candidates can put it out there, but will the media then carry it to the undecided voters who need to hear it? We know his base/cult won't listen to it, because tRump is hurting the people they want to hurt (including themselves).
But I'm all for harping on his weakness as much as we can, because there is so much there!
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Pelosi praying for him is a start.
People like Rick Wilson could pull it off.
IF DEMS HAD A STRATEGY and MESSAGE DISCIPLINE>
Make Trump think he's the victim of someone else than Dems, and get his grievances directed in that way.
It would kill him off. He would turn on the people closest to him..
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Boy, tell me about it..
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)You are absolutely correct. Every time the media talks about him in ANY regard, they are administrating life-sustaining oxygen to the monster.
lark
(23,179 posts)Show pictures of him with the horrid makeup, the hideously creepy crawly white pate being uncovered by wind, the limping, the inability to speak, the constant sniffles (drugs) - that will piss him off more than anything. Say he is a coward and a fake and show all the ways he's these things and hopefully it will aggravate him so much, he literally blows a gasket.
blakstoneranger
(333 posts)Because the media is doing this. The media is the source of the super villain language. Think about it. The washington post, usa today, new york times printed hard copies of their newspaper with the big bold headlines--TRUMP ACQUITTED! which he held up at every chance he got. There were no hard copies with large headlines saying trump impeached!! THE MEDIA IS THE ONE PUMPING UP TRUMP, NOT THE PUBLIC. WE ARE JUST HAPLESS VICTIMS WHO ARE LEFT WITH NO OPTIONS EXCEPT THE BALLOT BOX AND TRUMP EVEN HAS THAT FIXED!! The democratic candidates can do it, but they're too busy beating on each other--they all think they have a real shot and they really, really don't. Why because they are too afraid to do what carvelle says. Biden tried, believe me he did, but he was summarily made a fool of by the other candidates. Kamala harris and cory booker bringing up 20 year old racism crap, and now both of them are out. now we've got bernie sanders who is only defending himself against trump--NOTICE HE'S NOT GOING AFTER HIM!! WHY? Bernie knows he can't get a majority with his super liberal agenda--HE'S ANOTHER RALPH NADER--he's only going to bust up the vote and allow trump to win.
WE NEED THE 1960's BACK. A TIME WHEN WE TOOK TO THE STREETS TO PROTEST. WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM HERE.
The Mouth
(3,165 posts)It's all about viewership.
And Trump generates viewership.
Like people buying Beatles albums to burn them after that statement of John's.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Think of him economically. Short sell securities related to his properties. Picket his properties. Boycott everything connected to anything he or his family owns. Make it harder for his empire to operate, and it'll put direct pressure on him. Do the same to his closest business allies.
The Mouth
(3,165 posts)He loves to live 'rent free' inside his victim's head.
He gets that there is no such thing as 'bad publicity'.
Carvill is on to something.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Carville knows how Trump can be triggered.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)They are no longer Republicans. Well, except Mitt Romney... The other Senate majority members are now well and truly Trump Party members.
Tie the rest of the party totally and blatantly to this Orange Ignoramus.
DJT isn't powerful just by himself. He needs enablers and his enablers are the duly (s)elected members of the Trump Party.
Lonestarblue
(10,118 posts)The author cites authorities on authoritarian takeovers and fascism, who say that we are well along the road to losing our democracy and that Republicans are all on board because they see Trump as their opportunity to hold on to power and change the government in ways to make themselves the permanent majority.
There need to be mass protests," he said. "The Republican Party is betraying democracy, and these are historical times. Someone has got to push back.
"The deeply worrying moment is when you start to become a one-party state," Stanley added. "The Republican Party has shown that it has no interest in multi-party democracy ... They are much more concerned with power, with consolidating power."
Stanley said recent actions by Republicans and Trump were "straight from the literature on authoritarianism."
Texin
(2,600 posts)He wanted to be one of them, but in reading the numerous biographical commentaries about him, he was always disappointed that no one in polite New York society and, more importantly, the *real* movers and shakers of New York and beyond, who sniggered about him behind his back (which did get back to him). He wanted to matter. He wanted then - as now - to be respected, feared and bowed to in the same manner he believe all those powerful "movers and shakers" were bowed to by their mere underlings.
The way to hurt and weaken him is to laugh at him and belittle him, and he is especially vulnerable about how he looks. He still believes he's the golden Adonis of his twenties and thirties. Keep mocking his clownish attire, his ridiculous and perverse *hair*, his mannerisms and gibberish. It hurts him and weakens him all the time he screeches and fumes on Twitter. He beclowns himself more and more with every insult and derisive comment that are heaped at him. Keep at it! It hurts him and weakens him further.
OMG
The way to finish Trump is to make him think that others (important to him) are laughing at him.
Hint hint....
"Say, Donald, someone told me that your daughter thinks your clothes make you look fat lately..."
"Remember how Pence follows you around waiting for you to stroke out? I heard that he's watching for signs you're losing it. He already has a shadow government waiting to roll."
Karadeniz
(22,599 posts)More than these primaries.
dmr
(28,349 posts)He gets away with being the asshole he is because he's the frontman for all the destruction others are quietly inflicting upon our beautiful nation. From the courts, to our National parks, to rules and regulations, foreign policies, so on and so forth.
In the meantime, he can play POTUS, Ivanka can play government, sit on his golden toilet watching TV and Twit the Twitter. All the sycophants bow down to him, say all the praise he wants to hear, and it makes him feel all powerful. What do these people care? They're getting what they want, and those deep in the woods are getting closer and closer to their coup. Trump doesn't get away with this shit because they think he's the best thing that ever happened in this country.
They got their perfect patsy. If this coup doesn't work out for them, well, the blame will be on Trump, and the RINO idiots in Congress, and elsewhere.
Their first useful idiot try was Dubya, then there was Sarah Palin, and now they have DJT - the perfect narcissist who has no conscience: he doesn't care, he doesn't back down, and enjoys inflicting pain.
He is a weakling. A dangerous one. One with a lot of power.
As an aside, I remember reading several years ago where a conservative group (forget which group), went throughout the country to find and support dumbed down people to run for Congress. People who would tow the line, and be bombastic. That's how we got some of the truly awful members in Congress. You don't see people like this on the Democratic side, do you? Nope we're not that craven.
I can't believe I typed what I just typed. But think about it. The ring of truth is plenty scary.
pretty much nails it
tosh
(4,424 posts)We should all follow her lead.
Her praying for him is exactly akin to this strategy
But I'm thinking of how his mental disorder and personality defects can be weaponized against him in a broad strategy with applied message coordination and discipline.
tosh
(4,424 posts)I am very much in agreement with your excellent OP.
I hope that our party leaders and strategists are seeking and taking the advice of some seriously expert psych doctors. Nancy seems at times to have done just that. I don't know if any others are, but they need to get on it and STAT.
I think this is PRECISELY the strategy we need!
nykym
(3,063 posts)you're saying.
dlk
(11,585 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,054 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Still Sensible
(2,870 posts)Oh, that reminds me... isn't he overdue for his annual job performance review with Mr. Putin?
avebury
(10,953 posts)After all nothing gets voted on in the Senate unless McConnell allows it.
Trump is nothing more than a baby who has to rely upon people like Barr and Miller to prop him up.
Trump is incapable of accomplishing anything positive on his own.
Bloomberg is a real billionaire, Trump is a fake one. Pour is on how successful Bloomberg is while Trump is a failure who has to lie and cheat his way to get money.
I would like to see Bloomberg do a Trump like open request for assistance in obtaining verifiable dirt on Trump. After all, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. He could offer to provide legal aide to anyone who leaks verifiable information on Trump. I wonder if anyone ever consider back dooring it to find financial information on Trump. After all there are at least two components to every transaction. If you can get information on the flip side of Trump's business dealings you might be able to piece together a lot more info on Trump's finances. Bloomberg has the money to be able to possibly go that route. Open records requests submitted to the County Registry of Deeds for all information on Trump's properties including requesting reduction is property taxes would help validate any inference of insurance fraud (if you can get copies of any other paperwork where Trump is claiming different valuation amounts.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)His misery is due to people using him for their own power grabs.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)I think that would render him a broken man. No idea how to accomplish that though.
Poiuyt
(18,131 posts)Obviously Putin is, so is Kim, Bibi, etc. They learned that they just have to flatter him and he'll do what they want.