Could we somehow pin on DU the standards required for fair election??

[Grasswire2]

Lots of disinfo, even here on DU.


1. HAND MARKED PAPER BALLOTS, VOTER VERIFIABLE.

2. STRONG AUDIT TRAIL.

3. STRONG BALLOT SECURITY.

4. NO APPS, NO WIFI TRANSMISSION, NO OPTICAL SCANNING!

State are still buying hackable systems.

[frazzled]

1. What is this, 1892?

The automatic lever machine was invented in 1892, and every American city was using the machines by 1930. No paper, highly hackable.

No optical scanners? How many days or weeks would it take to count fully paper ballots such as the ones we have (read by opti-scan machines) in which there are often at least a dozen races to choose plus more than 50 judicial retention questions, plus referenda? On the upcoming primary ballot alone in my jurisdiction there are 9 federal , state, county, and municipal races and 17 competitive judicial races.

Sorry, this is the 21st century. No one is going to hand count paper ballots, which isn’t foolproof anyway.

There are many improvements and safeguards to be made, but returning to the 19th century isn’t feasible.

[Grasswire2]

2. you stand in opposition to the experts on election security.

BTW, Canada does all its elections by hand counted and tallied paper ballots. In one evening.

Catch up. Or be happy with Trump.

[frazzled]

3. Misleading

First of all, even Canada uses optical scan in some cases (and even some EVMs). Paper only is for federal and provincial elections only, and scan machines are used for vote tabulation of the paper ballots in several of the provinces.

Federal elections and provincial elections use paper ballots, but electronic voting has been used since at least the 1990s at the municipal level. Committee reports and analysis from Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Quebec, Ontario and British Columbia have all recommended against provincial Internet voting, but several provinces use electronic counting of paper ballots. A federal committee has recommended against national Internet voting.

Some municipalities in Ontario and Nova Scotia provide Internet voting.

There are no Canadian electronic voting standards.

And the reason is the same: you can hand count a single race for prime minister, or member of Parliament. Hand counting for elections with 25 different races on a single ballot is impractical. Another difference is the vast disparity in voting population in the two countries: 250,000,000 in the US; 31,750,000 in Canada.

[Grasswire2]

4. so it takes a little longer....

The chance of election tampering on hand counted ballots is zilch. We've already lost two and likely three presidential elections to tampering. Want to try for more?