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Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 06:54 AM PDT
Want to know just how good Clinton's speech was? Check this out.
by PuzzleX
You thought Bill Clinton was good at giving speeches? You have no idea just how good. You've just got to read "Conversation with a Teleprompter" from the New Yorker, published yesterday, September 7th.
I'll give you my own spin of it below the squiggle.
Let's start with this fact: not a lot of information can fit on a teleprompter.
So you're Clinton, and you're standing in front of 40,000 cheering delegates, you're on national TV, you're giving a speech that'll burnish your legacy -- and you see this in the teleprompter:
tough, constant
conflict may be good
politics, but in the
real world,
I'd wager 99 out of 100 politicians read this word for word. Because it's probably all you can do to read it without fumbling and read it with some sense of emotion.
Now, if Bill Clinton did say it word-for-word, he'd have something pretty good:
But where most politicians are reading the final draft and would be too fearful to mess it up by improvising, what Clinton sees in the teleprompter is like the first draft to him. He is playing off the energy of the crowd. He's synthesizing a lifetime of public speaking instantly. And on the spot, he comes back with sheer poetry:
The article from the New Yorker is filled with example after example, identifying the poetry in his improvisations. I highly recommend you check it out; you'll have fun reliving the speech, and you'll realize you missed half of what an amazing speech it truly was. And if you want more, you can also check out the full breakdown http://www.buzzfeed.com/nycsouthpaw/inside-bill-clintons-epic-convention-speech-4xje .
Oh, yeah -- one more thing. If you're wondering how many people are aware of how fun it is to hear a speech from Clinton: Clinton's speech outdrew the first NFL game of the year http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/bill-clinton-defeats-nfl-in-wednesday-viewership/2012/09/06/552d7c82-f86b-11e1-8398-0327ab83ab91_story.htmlm .
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/08/1129269/-Want-to-know-just-how-good-Clinton-s-speech-was-Check-this-out
goclark
(30,404 posts)how that worked.
Do you think Michelle Obama's speech was word for word?
Thanks so much for sharing!
Raster
(20,998 posts)Clinton is a dynamic public speaker, able to improvise and extrapolate, much like a Preacher delivering a firery sermon.
SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)Appeared for the first time with Obama on stage after the brutal primary he said something like Obama uses the teleprompter as a list of notes rather than read it line by line.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)In any public-speaking role I've ever undertaken, I've worked out the core structural message and even worked on the phrasing and vocabulary to come up with a very succinct and compact text. I then rely heavily on my familiarity with the subject and the message to speak the muscle, tissue, and flesh as though the script were the skeleton ... keying on the audience and on maintaining eye contact and synergistic body language. That's what Clinton is being described as doing. It works. It works because it's sincere and from-the-heart ... about something he's familiar with.
It's when the speaker lacks familiarity with the message and its underpinnings, essentially trying to speak in ways that aren't natural and heart-felt in order to deceive or portray something other than their own ideas, that one comes off like the MittWit. It's easy to see when the MittWit is being 'sincere' ... "corporations are people, my friend" ... the words come tumbling out with ease. Rmoney truly regards the authoritarian structure of an enterprise solely devoted to making money as the actualization of his existence. He relies on such a context for his very identity. It's noteworthy that his religious activities are almost identically structured. Authoritarian. The "prosperity gospel" that's core to Mormon theology. The insider vs. outsider dialectic ... win-lose in all things. Rmoney is a "kiss up and kick down" corporatist. Nothing could be clearer.
madokie
(51,076 posts)All speakers like Presidents Obama and Clinton need are a few words to keep them on track, the spontaneity of the moment shows who they are and how they're perceived as giving a good speech.
ann---
(1,933 posts)I saw a video of Romney giving a stump speech from a teleprompter and saying "end of quote." which was probably in parentheses.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)That would be priceless.
AnotherDreamWeaver
(2,854 posts)tavalon
(27,985 posts)What a stupid, stupid man. Sociopaths are usually much smarter than Rmoney and Dubya.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)I'm always amused when Repigs get all pissy about teleprompters (especially when their people use them too!). A teleprompter is an aid, not a speech. The speech is made by the person standing up there. Some do poor speeches, some good, and some just sublime, like the Big Dawg.
BootinUp
(47,211 posts)for you with his words, and it seems almost effortless, its just a natural gift that he has.
VPStoltz
(1,295 posts)The written melody is just the starting point.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Response to HopeHoops (Reply #6)
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HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)It works.
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HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)It's all in the jaw. There's only one note on a sax that's accurate. It's different on every sax, but the rest of them you have to adjust with your lower jaw. I've played alto, tenor, and baritone and many different instruments of that class and I can assure you that there's no such thing as an "in tune" sax. It's meant to be played with. I can drop two full notes just with my jaw, but only one and a half going up. My youngest has my Selmer now. I got it in '75 or so and it still has all of its original pads. I gave it to her a couple of years ago. I can still play without sheet music, but I really don't have a venue. She's 17 and going places. The sax is going with her.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)He could probably give an hour+ speech without any prompter.
Remember when his teleprompter didn't start and he went ahead and gave his speech anyway?
Wish I could remember when that was.
nevergiveup
(4,771 posts)His teleprompter malfunctioned and he improvised 20% of the speech.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)Probably face plant into a door running for the closest exit.
lastlib
(23,366 posts)...when he looked like such an idiot looking for the exit...(wait, he ALWAYS looks like an idiot....)
ananda
(28,895 posts).. was one of the most intelligent presidents ever!
And he was a Rhodes scholar.
Historic NY
(37,460 posts)There aren't many good speechifiers, the Big Dawg is on top of the heap.
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colorado_ufo
(5,743 posts)ZZzzzzzt! Sorry - that's the Troll Buzzer - time to go home now!
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)do you have any proof of that?
ETA: Not to mention the large number of Repub pols who were adulterers and stayed in office, such as Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani, David Vitter, Mark Sanford etc.
siligut
(12,272 posts)Your post just demonstrates how far gone the RW is. Not a single person on this site is fooled by your superficial attempt to stir controversy. Sad really.
noel711
(2,185 posts)I prepare a script...
but the moment I start, and see the faces before me,
I follow the moment.
The script grounds me so I don't wander too far off the reservation...
but seeing the expressions,
knowing what's really going on in the lives of the listeners..
it's all in the moment.
And it's never the same the second time.
This ain't easy... it takes practice,
and empathy.. and knowing the needs of the listeners.
Knowing their joys and their struggles..
and caring about them. Letting them know they are important.
Also knowing when to wind it up..
Bill Clinton is a pro at public speaking;
YOu know he feels your pain.
That's why women fall all over him...
you know.. he knows you.
Romney? Meh. He just wants it over with..
imagine having sex with him...
Chemisse
(30,824 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)joanbarnes
(1,724 posts)bluecoat_fan
(262 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)thing about Clinton's speech is that it was about Obama, what he has done, his attackers, the climate that diminishes his achievements and trivializes the tremendous adversity he has faced.
For too many, Obama gets credit only when it comes from the lips of Bill Clinton.
I still think this is Clinton's best and most important line, a summary of everything the speech was about:
kiva
(4,373 posts)is about Bill Clinton's speaking skill - he is brilliant.
I am in awe, however, at your ability to bring the president's name into every post and wonder if you do that for everything. I mean, do you make your grocery list with him in mind? Do you get irritated when your friends talk for more than 5 minutes without mentioning him?
Not every thread posted on DU is about the president, and that doesn't mean that people do not like or support Obama, it just means they sometimes talk about other things.
is about Bill Clinton's speaking skill - he is brilliant.
I am in awe, however, at your ability to bring the president's name into every post and wonder if you do that for everything. I mean, do you make your grocery list with him in mind? Do you get irritated when your friends talk for more than 5 minutes without mentioning him?
Not every thread posted on DU is about the president, and that doesn't mean that people do not like or support Obama, it just means they sometimes talk about other things.
...the most "fascinating part" was my opinion. You can remain in "awe" of it. To answer you snide question: Yes, I think he's the greatest thing since slice bread.
As for the rest, Clinton's speech, whether you like it or not, was about the President. Deal with it.
kiva
(4,373 posts)glad you're happy making sure that every thread has a mention of the president. You know, I'm pretty sure there's one or two in cooking and baking group with no presidential reference, you might check it out.
"glad you're happy making sure that every thread has a mention of the president"
...like Clinton's speech?
Cha
(298,018 posts)was about the President.
No need to be rude with a personal attack.
Beacool
(30,254 posts)Clinton is the best politician in the country, bar none. Furthermore, if it were constitutionally possible for him to run for a third term, he would win in a landslide.
"Clinton is the best politician in the country, bar none. "
You're entitled to your opinion, but Obama still won with 70 million votes.
Bounce baby!
treestar
(82,383 posts)Reading that over was cool.
Vietnameravet
(1,085 posts)Once, and i believe it was during a state of the union address, the teleprompter died and he gave his speech entirely without any help from notes or teleprompter whatsoever..think of that!
He delivered the State of the Union address from memory because the teleprompter contained the wrong speech.
malaise
(269,278 posts)He's way above average
DFW
(54,502 posts)I've had to give speeches to tough crowds occasionally. Try, as a normal mortal, to hold the attention of a group containing members of Congress, Nobel Prize winners, Supreme Court Justices and professional media personalities. I was scared shitless. No matter HOW you've prepared, you take your prepared script and use it as a basis and an outline, then use your memory and your gut feeling for the rest.
Clinton is a master at it, and take it from one who had to find out the hard way, it's not something everyone is born with.
He's a master and he's beyond comfortable. He was fugging brilliant and then some.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)You are clearly very well connected and you aren't afraid to show some of it, but there's clearly so much more. A memoir one day, perhaps? I'd read it for sure.
DFW
(54,502 posts)I'm mostly an ordinary guy who fate decided to sometimes put into some very extraordinary circumstances. I just choose swimming over sinking, that's all.
Maybe you're just a little too close to it, but most of us here on DU, don't, in fact hob nob with various national politicians. Some of us may have shaken hands with one, canvassed for another, but you have had much more access. Luck, perhaps, but I think you did a lot with a little luck, if that's what you're calling it.
DFW
(54,502 posts)My only BIG stroke of luck was being in a cabaret in West Berlin in 1974 one evening when a young woman I had met the night before was there again, and said she was leaving the next day for China, but I ought to meet her girlfriend. She leaned back and this tall blonde angel appeared. Today, 38 years later, we're still together. Now THAT'S luck.
As for the rest, well, it's a little luck, and some common sense.
My dad was the son of some minor New York prominence, so he took a daring assignment as a journalist from a small town newspaper, opening a one-man bureau for them in Washington at age 28, changed his name, and started from scratch. He was straight with everybody, quickly got a rep for it, and 15 years later introduced me to my first president (LBJ), who clearly did NOT want to have to spend time with some 13 year old kid. Before I was 10 years old, and before metal detectors were even invented, he used to take me up to the Senate Press Gallery in the Capitol, and meet guys with names like Humphrey, Javits, Dirksen, Kennedy etc etc. All I knew is that some of them were real characters, and they all seemed to have the same first name ("Senator" . What did I know? But he was introducing me to guys like that for the rest of his life. "Bob" Kennedy, "Fritz" Mondale, "Gerry" Ford, etc etc. It wasn't some hotshot social circle. It was his work, and he loved it.
That's Part One.
Then, some 17 years ago, my best friend in the States had met up with a guy on an anti-smoking campaign. The guy was a successful financial adviser, investor, author, gay rights advocate, and spoke really good Russian. This guy invited my friend to be a part of a gathering held every New Year in South Carolina called Renaissance Weekend (www.renaissanceweekend.org). My friend liked it, knew I spoke Russian, too, and kept forgetting to invite me. You only get in (as a normal mortal) by being proposed by someone already a part of it. He finally got around to proposing me, and the committee must have been bored that day, because I was accepted, despite no claim to fame, and no momentous accomplishments whatsoever. My first one was a month after my father died. My Dad would have loved this, and indeed, when I mentioned my name, over half of the journalists there knew immediately whose son I was. It was here that I got to know some of the incredible people I now count as friends. Howard Dean, Dr. Ruth, Adrian Cronauer, Gabby Giffords, Peter Norton, just a really vast array of people, most of whom have seen and done more in their lifetimes than most of us (including me) could ever dream about. I remain on the periphery of all this. I still have my day job, and it usually means being in a different country every day. But if there is one thing I HAVE learned, it's that even extraordinary people, right up to Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, are still people at the end of the day. You can talk to them, eat lunch with them, laugh with them, correspond with them. They don't always have the time, and they all have their own things to do, but they are no less human for all that. Not everyone gets to meet them, agreed. But if fate should ever send you in that direction, I'm sure you'd find the same thing.
That's Part Two.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)and yeah, I know in my head that we're all just bald apes, but you just seemed to know so many of the politically famous ones. I would find you a great deal less interesting if your connections were Hollywood famous people. Why I find the political ones so much more compelling has to do with the actual influence they have in my life and the lives of all of us proles. I'm amazed that there are so many who don't realize that these people influence almost every aspect of our lives.
Recently, I've been researching sociopaths in normal society (I know, that term has been removed from psychiatric lexicon, but it's more familiar to most people), and there seems to be an inordinate number of them in high places in corporations and in Government. But, in Government, they usually stand side by side with true civil servants and I wonder how that marriage works? The whole research project is a bit Fristian, I'll admit, but I have weird hobbies, now greatly facilitated by the internet.
yardwork
(61,772 posts)about one of his State of the Union addresses to Congress and the nation. Somebody loaded the wrong version of his speech on the teleprompter. He glanced at it, saw what had happened, and never looked at the teleprompter again, apparently. He gave the entire speech from memory and extemporaneously. Bill Clinton is a genius at public speaking.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And that is why he is good at improvisation and creativity with words.
And Obama is also left handed.
progree
(10,938 posts)his speaking "skills" were good enough to fool enough goobers to get within a court ruling of winning the 2000 election and close enough to, with some shenanigans of a right-wing secretary(-ies) of state, to win the 2004 election (Ohio and who knows where else).
He was intuitive and creative, though, for example picking Dick Cheney to be his president and imagining all those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
juajen
(8,515 posts)I never met a podium that I wasn't comfortable at. I also am a wordsmith, and they come easily to me. As I age, I find it sometimes hard coming up with what I want to say, but that is, thankfully, rare.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)was all wrong.
I was doing the same thing, when I gave talks on the Internet, back when it was "starting."
They all turned out better than I had expected, probably because I had improvised (improved) on what I had written to give as a talk.
But Clinton is The King of Public Speaking.
What he did at the convention was the best lesson anyone can get, should they want to go on and orate.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)He spoke for thirty minutes or so without notes, and the talk was absolutely filled with numbers and statistics. There was absolutely no doubt in my mind that every single fact, number, and statistic was correct.
Mopar151
(10,006 posts)She saw him speak in 2000 - absolutely incredible command of the facts, and the ability to explain them logically, in common language, without talking down. And this in the neighborhood of Dartmouth College, where intellects range from farmhand to interstellar.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Thanks for posting
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Okay, he's good at it, but it's not what won him elections. A few years ago we were eating at a restaurant in Little Rock, after having one to the Clinton Library (we've been a few times now).
We struck up a conversation with the waiter, who said the Bill had been in just a few weeks before. What was remarkable was that the last time the waiter had seen President Clinton had been when he was running for governor almost twenty years before, and that Clinton remembered the name of the waiter. Twenty years between visits, and Clinton remembers the name of someone who to anyone else would be a nobody. THAT'S a politician.
Cha
(298,018 posts)Clinton didn't even use a telepromter! I saw it on a Vid and it looked like he had the whole in his head!
Yeah, that was Grand about him out rating the nfl. I remember some were concerned about the timing before it happened.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)That was back when he first ran for President and one of the topics he covered was women's health. It was a cold night and we had to stand a long time waiting through other speakers but when he walked up the steps and began to speak the whole field came alive. We were rapt and I had never been rapt before! When he finished speaking we were all cheering and I was sold!
lastlib
(23,366 posts)to shut that whole thing down.......
(Guess ya had ta know that was coming.......! )
Walk away
(9,494 posts)qualifying it it my mind as illegitimate or legitimate forever more!
Have a great day! Victory 2012! Forward.
The Wizard
(12,556 posts)you campaign in poetry and govern in prose.
Bill Clinton is the poet laureate of American politics.
Pirate Smile
(27,617 posts)he added back in while giving the speech.
That seemed believable to me.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)He is just amazing. I had forgotten about that. Just fucking brilliant, that man. If he were just a populist instead of a third wayer, dayum, he would be the most amazing man in the world. Well, after Obama, who is also a third wayer, damn it. Of course, I'm voting for Obama, no question, but one day, one day, to have a true populist as good as these two............
nxylas
(6,440 posts)Comparing the teleprompter version with what he actually said. It would be interesting considering how much teabillies go on and on about Obama using a teleprompter (something no other POTUS in history has ever done, apparently).
George II
(67,782 posts)...he spoke for more than fifty minutes without notes and without a teleprompter. He was amazingly organized, coherent, methodical and to the point, all from memory. After 50 minutes I was sorry to see it end! He is just that good.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)DFW
(54,502 posts)In March 1995, at the annual Gridron Club dinner in Washington, Clinton had this fabulously funny speech prepared, and his notes were up on the podium just beforehand. In the short pause before he got up to deliver the speech, Sen. Pat Moynihan, who by that time had downed a few (OK, more than a few), went up to the podium and grabbed Clinton's notes and started looking through them. Clinton saw it, and went quietly ballistic (you could see it on his face) and he sent one of the Secret Service guys to get the notes back from Moynihan, el rápido.
His speech, of course, was flawless, and funny as hell.