Why Trump Can't Pardon Roger Stone

[babylonsister]

https://politicalwire.com/2020/02/27/why-trump-cant-pardon-roger-stone/

Why Trump Can’t Pardon Roger Stone
February 27, 2020 at 9:55 am EST By Taegan Goddard

Corey Brettschneider: “Speculation that President Trump might pardon Roger Stone has reached a fever pitch after Stone’s sentencing by a federal judge and the president’s repeated hints that he thinks the verdict unfair. But fortunately, the Constitution’s framers imagined this nightmare scenario—a suspected criminal president pardoning a co-conspirator—and they put in the Constitution language to legally prohibit the pardon power in exactly this kind of case.”

“Many scholars agree that once a president has been impeached, he or she loses the power to pardon anyone for criminal offenses connected to the articles of impeachment. Less noticed is that even after the Senate’s failure to convict the president, he or she does not regain this power.”

[Tommy_Carcetti]

1. On the other hand, I don't think Trump concerns himself much with what "many scholars agree"

Unless "many scholars" can be replaced by "Vladimir Putin." Then he might care.

[empedocles]

2. We need more articles of impeachment.

[Golden Raisin]

4. Or laws, subpoenas, courts, etc.

And he's got Barr installed at "Justice" to back him up.

[NewJeffCT]

3. I'm pretty sure that this interpretation is NOT correct

I've heard many legal scholars argue the other way as well - even liberal ones.

[onenote]

5. Utter nonsense.

There is nothing in the Constitution that remotely does what this article claims.


Also, if you link all the way back to the article, it says "some" scholars agree, not "many".

[Jose Garcia]

15. This is just creative speculation on a Dershowitzian level

[mitch96]

6. I was curious about that and it seems it's not true

I looked it up on Snopes and some other web sites and people are taking the wording out of contest. Something about while he is being impeached, not after.
I believe Clinton pardoned some folks after his impeachment..
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[OliverQ]

8. Clinton didn't pardon people connected to his impeachment.

These scholars are saying Trump can't pardon co-conspirators in the crimes he was impeached for.

[mitch96]

13. I didn't say he did.... nt

[OliverQ]

14. But that's what the article is talking about.

It's not saying Trump completely loses the pardon power, it just says he can't pardon people tied to the offenses he was impeached for.

[OliverQ]

7. Which Trump will just ignore and the Supreme Court won't

agree that Trump can't pardon people.

[Wounded Bear]

9. Wishful thinking...

I'm no scholar, but I'm pretty sure that that verbiage is not in the document.

"Many scholars agree" does not a rule make, especially to one for whom laws are mere annoyances in their pursuit of absolute power.

[Goodheart]

10. I don't buy this interpretation.

[LiberalFighter]

11. I was thinking that earlier on too.

In cases of impeachment would to my reading mean that he can't be pardoned by anyone.

If Barr were to be impeached. Trump couldn't pardoned him.

[onenote]

12. Even if this was true -- and its not -- it wouldn't apply to Stone

Stone was convicted of crimes relating to the Mueller investigation/Russian election interference with the 2016 election. The impeachment proceedings were not about the Mueller investigation/Russian interference, they were about Trump's efforts to get Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 election.

[mwooldri]

16. Doesn't matter - IOKIYAR...

I expect that if the Marmalade Mugabe does pardon Roger Stone, then irrespective of whether DJT has the power/authority to do so after being impeached in the same matter that the pardon will stand, especially since the courts have been packed with Trump appointees. So what's the point in challenging this?

[CanonRay]

17. "Many scholars agree"

Hint: Trump's not one of them, and he could give a shit.

[bitterross]

18. As if he gives two fucks?

He, and Barr, believe he is king. No one is going to stop him.

[Nitram]

19. Thanks for the info. Of course, Trump may pardon Stone anyway. It wouldn't be decided by the courts

before the end of his term.

[Hekate]

20. So far, no one has stopped him. I hope this works.

[progressoid]

21. Ha. Fantasy.

[AncientGeezer]

22. Completly false

[Dalai_1]

23. Excellent tweet/Thread re the OP

Link to tweet

?s=21

[hangaleft]

24. President Donald J. Trump's reaction

“Constitution? We don’t need no stinkin’ Constitution.”