I find it suspicious cases in Europe are exploding and not the US.

[Quixote1818]

Isn't travel back and forth from China just as heavy or heavier from the US than Europe? I could be mistaken. However, the lack of testing may mean we are actually more inline with Europe where there are already 20,000 cases. We know Trump is trying to keep the numbers down as he admitted he was worried about a few hundred folks on a ship being added. It just seems odd that Europe is exploding with cases and in the US they are just trickling in unless there is a lot more travel between Europe and China than the US.

Thoughts? https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[pnwmom]

1. There's hardly any testing here compared to other countries. And where we have more testing

like in WA, we find more cases.

[iluvtennis]

54. +++ agree. We don't know what we don't know due to lack of testing. nt

[brush]

82. No testing, and trump is trying to keep it hidden. New outbreak in NY just reported though

[TDale313]

2. We're not testing.

We have no real idea how bad it is here.

[2naSalit]

10. +1

[TNNurse]

52. Exactly

[bdamomma]

56. putting so many people

at risk, this POS needs to contract it. He's more concerned about his approval numbers. He's a risk to himself and too many others.

[uponit7771]

3. CDC said Fri they're not reporting infections any longer, going to leave it up to states (edit)

[2naSalit]

9. by order of you-know-who...

I hope it all gets leaked soon.

[Yonnie3]

14. Not correct - source?

CDC updated their web page noon today: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html

Total cases 423

plus 49 repatriated which they count separately.

It was around 150 Friday.

They do say this in footnotes:

† CDC is no longer reporting the number of persons under investigation (PUIs) that have been tested, as well as PUIs that have tested negative. Now that states are testing and reporting their own results, CDC’s numbers are not representative of all testing being done nationwide.

‡ As of March 8, 2020 1,707 patients had been tested at CDC. This does not include testing being done at state and local public health laboratories, which began this week.

[uponit7771]

16. Atlantic link inside

But earlier this week, the agency announced that it would stop publishing negative results for the coronavirus, an extraordinary step that essentially keeps Americans from knowing how many people have been tested overall.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/607597/

[Yonnie3]

22. You said "The CDC said Friday they are not reporting infections any longer"

What they are not reporting are the number of tests that are negative which is a whole different thing IMO.

[uponit7771]

24. No that's the number of PUI they are not reporting

[LiberalArkie]

28. Last week they were reporting how many tests have been made. They removed that line from the report.

[jpljr77]

23. They are throwing it to the states because states are testing and reporting quicker.

They aren't trying to hide anything.

Please stop making EVERYthing about the incompetent child in the White House. That's what he wants because he's a...well...child.

[uponit7771]

25. Link and quote to CDC throwing it to the states? tia

[jpljr77]

27. Uh, it's literally the quote right after the passage YOU referenced in the article YOU linked:

“With more and more testing done at states, these numbers would not be representative of the testing being done nationally,” Nancy Messonnier, the chief CDC official for respiratory diseases, said at the time. “States are reporting results quickly, and in the event of a discrepancy between CDC and state case counts, the state case counts should always be considered more up to date.”

[uponit7771]

32. If the Obama admin did similar with swine flu I'd agree with you but there's little to no evdidence

... that they did stop reporting cases via the CDC and put the reporting on state level.

They didn't and 55 million Americans were infected with swine, this is looking to be worse.

It is asinine on its face to have to go to 50+ different sites to add up numbers for CV, this is something the CDC should be doing.

This is hiding information, I've stopped giving the Trump admin the benefit of the doubt about anything positive.

[uponit7771]

17. The footnotes has been announced and they are not reporting ...all ... cases

[Crunchy Frog]

47. Heckuva job CDC.

They barely managed to test 1700 people, from the beginning of the outbreak until March 8th.

That's an impressive feat for a third world, shit hole country.

[Bev54]

79. US is showing over 700 cases

If you want to keep up with what is happening you can at this link:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2JVxiM3FhIrZgV8N4mMo-rKW2KJk2EYSP-LWwOB2bMQCzZ3AuC3jvhpsY#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[Jarqui]

81. So they're really just getting under way with testing nt

[GulfCoast66]

70. I thought they said the number of tests. Not positive diagnosis.

[uponit7771]

72. On the website they said PUI and they're counting on the states to give info which is assinine due t

... to having to go to 50+ different places for information in the US

[Claritie Pixie]

4. We're not testing appropriately here.

1. Very limited # of test kits available from the CDC.
2. CDC determines who can be tested. Criteria for testing requires fever.

I think a lot more people have it here, we just don't know.

[2naSalit]

8. +1

What we don't know can kill us but what really matters is that fuckwad45's ego is constantly stroked.

[LiberalArkie]

29. The young who are carriers but present no illness are not being tested.

Remember you can have it and be spreading it for up to 2 weeks (or more) before you show any symptoms.

[iluvtennis]

55. +++ agree. nt

[Mike 03]

5. Once testing is rolled out I think you'll see that change.

In Pima County (where Tucson is) we have symptomatic people begging to be tested being turned away because of a lack of testing kits and confusion over the criteria for being tested.

That is going to change this week, supposedly.

[Quixote1818]

6. I hear the private sector is starting to make kits. Trump won't be able to stop that. nt

[Crunchy Frog]

50. I think he intends to profit from it.

[fescuerescue]

67. We need to find out which testing companies he owns

pronto

[sinkingfeeling]

7. When your power's out, what can you see in the dark?

[Quixote1818]

26. Exactly nt

[PubliusEnigma]

11. You can still catch coronavirus with your head buried in the sand.

[UpInArms]

12. Testing is occurring elsewhere

Not in the USA ..

[edhopper]

13. Watch the death rate and hospitalized rate

compare it to Europe for a real look at the infection numbers.

[peacebuzzard]

15. no reporting. this happens in 3rd world countries,

where a reporting system is usually monitored and administered by a national health care system. In 3rd world countries, the health care systems suffer from lack of infrastructure, funds, personnel.
In the U.S. case: a couple of posts on here yesterday and interviews with front line personnel indicate there is a shortage of kits, a fumble between the GP and ER protocol, and I believe herein lies the biggest problem. There is no direction or chain of action for anyone experiencing symptoms.

Plenty of denials circulating at this point.

[OhNo-Really]

21. I'm a bit curious about tank trucks spraying streets in other countries

And huge teams of hazmat clad ppl with hand pump sprayers

What do they know that we don’t know?

Our pics of ppl in contact with patients show them with no PPE suits and holding up sheets

😳🤯😳🤯😳🤯😳🤯

[peacebuzzard]

36. those tank trucks were in China, the epicenter.

their cases are now on the decline.
There was a post on DU by someone who had family there and they maintained contact via the internet, but he was concerned the internet in China was also censored since many posts and chats were removed.
Chinese citizens are following directions and imposed martial law.

will not happen here. we hold up sheets and use hand sanitizer.
I am looking for some now, all stores are out in my area.
Nowhere to be found, but it's just a last-ditch effort and probably a weak one.

[OhNo-Really]

64. Not just China! S Korea Iran Italy

Why would you say just China?

[peacebuzzard]

66. I did not know they were using them in Iran, Italy

had a tough week. been sporadic with the current events. Thanks for letting me know

[uponit7771]

38. +1, its worse here. CDC says its going to leave reporting to states so countries wont know

... the data for the US unless they tracked 50+ different sources for CV data

[peacebuzzard]

39. much worse. CDC was gutted and now its near useless

thanks to the WH lardbutt.

My company is praising CDC and applauding its response.
They want workers to show up.

It is truly appalling not to have adequate support and plans in place.

[uponit7771]

40. +1, just found out about the 60k employees that have been axed from the CDC. This is on purpose and

... no doubt meant to be able to call martial law.

There's no giving Putin's Whore the benefit of the doubt on this one.

[bluedigger]

18. I'm a little curious about India.

Pretty quiet there. Maybe they have this six foot rule covered.

[Quixote1818]

20. Yes, and Russia. nt

[Recursion]

47. Russia has "4" COVID-19 cases

I call bullshit

[uponit7771]

41. +1

[IronLionZion]

45. Probably depends on access to testing

can't report what you don't know

[Recursion]

49. About 3 million people in India die every year from waterborne illnesses alone

COVID might not even show up as more than noise there

[OhNo-Really]

19. Funny how no testing works

[StTimofEdenRoc]

57. You will not find what you are not looking for.

[Newest Reality]

30. In about two weeks,

In about two weeks, the outbreak here will be an unavoidable, prevalent fact, regardless of attempts to downplay it or testing availability because the hospitals will be showing the strain at that point. We are just getting started here.

I give it two weeks because that is about the maximum, (there are variables) time it takes to incubate. Meanwhile, people are spreading it prior to succumbing to the symptoms.

Then, in another two weeks, another obvious explosion of cases. From there on in, it is in full bloom here.

From what I have read, (just calculations based on past outbreaks) it won't peak until late April to mid-May. At that point, we may have anywhere from one to three-billion cases globally. That is subject to change depending on many variables.

[Quixote1818]

33. Yes, Trump can't hide from this like Puerto Rico etc. etc. It's going to catch up to him

and then he will have to answer for the cover up. He will likely still not be held accountable by his idiot followers but enough people on the fence will not vote for him especially with the economy going into recession.

[lpbk2713]

31. Our govt is looking the other way under instructions from their leader.

If they don't see it they don't have to report it.

[spanone]

34. If you don't test, the numbers don't go up----don j. trump, stable genius

[defacto7]

35. One possible factor is that Eropeans are much more fluid travelers.

They go from one country to another for days off (which are a lot) just for a break. The other is they are closer together and more social than Americans. We're spread out much more and drive cars. They mostly take trains.

[Blecht]

37. It's fucking criminal

I'd rather be in Korea than here -- the grownups there are actually doing something.

[JustAnotherGen]

42. Italy is testing hard

I agree with you - I think the number is much higher in the USA.

[BittyJenkins]

43. Over the weekend

10 more cases were reported in the Bay Area...Santa Clara County and Contra Costa County.
There are no tests readily available so the count is probably higher.

[moonscape]

53. And someone in Santa Cruz County is positive, from

being on that cruise in mid-February.

Today a death was reported in Santa Clara - woman in her 60's and it was community spread apparently.

[Ms. Toad]

44. 1. The number of confirmed cases in the US is limited

by the number of tests we have done.

2. It is. The last few days we've gone up by about 30% a day. The growth rate at the peak in China was an increase of about 27% each day.

[bucolic_frolic]

46. Canada also

They have large Chinese populations in large metro areas

[Traildogbob]

51. Wait.....what?

Last I heard we had 15 and would be zero in a few days. Can't count the ship, not our faught. Stop with the fake news of over 500 cases now. It's killing all those poor white tRumpers that live off of the stock market numbers. Damn libruls. 😡🐘🇷🇺 = 🌍🔥🌑

[WinstonSmith4740]

58. I don't trust the numbers at all.

I don't trust our government officials anymore than I trust the Chinese officials to tell the truth, where supposedly the cases are reducing. I'll bet the European model is much closer to what's actually happening.

[SunSeeker]

59. +1

[SunSeeker]

60. We.Aren't.Testing.

[subana]

61. I think the numbers here are likely higher

we don't know the true numbers due to so little testing has been done. And of course, comrade donnie doesn't want the numbers to be higher so he is going to discourage anything that makes him look bad!

Thanks for the webpage, it looks like good data

[yaesu]

62. What is strange to me is the morbidity rates of S Korea compared to China & Italy, its seems to be

under 1%in SK while tracking around 2-3% elsewhere. One main reason I think is because SK has an overall younger population compared to Italy which is in second place as far as its population being older, Japan has the oldest population.

[SunSeeker]

65. South Korea is also doing really thorough testing, including drive-thru testing.

The more you test, the more cases you find. If you only test people who are symptomatic you'll end up with a higher death rate. We're not even testing everyone who is symptomatic. The CDC is currently requiring that you be able to name someone who has tested positive who you have had contact with before they'll give you a test.

[GulfCoast66]

71. In the 1918 flu there widely varying death rates.

It is thought different regions were hit with different variants of the virus and some were more deadly than others.

[Warpy]

63. Cases in the US will be vastly undercounted

because people don't have the money to seek treatment and can't afford a two week quarantine if they do test positive. Epidemiological studies here will be shite because public health has stupidly been left out of national security considerations.

Cases will explode and we will never know it.

Dumdum's response has been to cut down on the number of tests available to state public health departments. He thinks if he lies about it, it will just go away.

[Iggo]

68. Where there's testing, there are cases. (n/t)

[struggle4progress]

69. "What you don't know can't hurt my chances for re-election"

[Baclava]

73. Italy had their first case 11 days before us, check back in 2 weeks to see if the big wave hits here

[Rainbow Droid]

74. We. Aren't. Testing. It is exploding but nobody knows how much because we aren't testing.

[sarcasmo]

75. Our government is lying and we're Not being tested.

[lapfog_1]

76. WE ARE NOT TESTING!!!

Sorry to shout... but this is obvious. There can't be confirmed cases if you don't TEST for it.

They are all testing using the WHO test... which we refused to use.

OF course we are exploding with the outbreak. We just don't know how bad.

[Pachamama]

77. We are two weeks behind Italy

So in about 2 weeks, you will have a different response.

[Coleman]

78. I live in Orlando

The #1 foreign tourist destination in the US. We have Disney World (with tons of Star Wars rides), Universal (with Harry Potter), Seaworld, Lego Land, Gator World (joke), water parks out the rear... This place should be a coronavirus powder keg, but not one.

[LaMouffette]

80. It's not surprising that Trump, who paid off a porn star, . . .

a Playboy model, and God knows who else, to keep quiet about his sexual dalliances, would prefer to squash the true number of corona virus infections in the United States. The true number of those afflicted would make Trump look bad. Trump hates the truth like a vampire hates holy water. That's why he hates the free press and why, if it were up to him, he would have the power to suppress all unflattering news reports, just like they do in China, Russia, and North Korea.

For a truly scary example of the kind of truth-suppressing we could be in for if Trump is reelected, check out this article published in 2011 on the website China Digital Times. It gives examples of censorship instructions sent down from the highest levels of Chinese government to squash any reports that might cast the Chinese government in an unflattering light.

[link:https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2011/06/directives-from-the-ministry-of-truth-may-1-31-2011/|