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6-3 Supreme Court decision today on insanity defenses (Original Post) Polybius Mar 2020 OP
Does that mean trump can't use it when he is out of office? still_one Mar 2020 #1
Depends on what state charges him Polybius Mar 2020 #2
Maybe this is a main reason he switched residence to FL. nt Hortensis Mar 2020 #4
I can think of 50 states who may want to express charges against him still_one Mar 2020 #6
And at least 100 countries too Polybius Mar 2020 #10
+++ still_one Mar 2020 #11
There's (broadly) two different standards of "insanity" defense Recursion Mar 2020 #5
This should only affect states that use M'Naghten, right? Recursion Mar 2020 #3
The insanity defense doesn't work that often. Archae Mar 2020 #7
Breyer hated this decision though Polybius Mar 2020 #8
Does anyone know why Kagan sided with the conservatives? Polybius Mar 2020 #9

Polybius

(15,411 posts)
2. Depends on what state charges him
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:01 PM
Mar 2020

It just means that states have a right to decide if they want to have insanity pleas or not. I'm pretty sure NY still has it.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. There's (broadly) two different standards of "insanity" defense
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:09 PM
Mar 2020

The most common is something like this: to be found not guilty, the defense has to show that the act was a direct consequence of the mental disease.

Some states have an older and broader definition, that goes something like this: to be found not guilty, the defense has to show that the accused did not understand the moral implications of his action.

If I'm reading this right, the Court just ruled that states that have that older rule (called the "M'Naghten rule" ) don't have to keep it, and can go to the "direct consequence" definition if they want to.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. This should only affect states that use M'Naghten, right?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:04 PM
Mar 2020

States that use the Durham rule wouldn't seem to be impacted.

Archae

(46,327 posts)
7. The insanity defense doesn't work that often.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:41 PM
Mar 2020

I read somewhere that less than 1% of those using the insanity defense are successful.

So this won't affect many cases.

But thugs will still try.

Polybius

(15,411 posts)
9. Does anyone know why Kagan sided with the conservatives?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:58 PM
Mar 2020

Not that it would have changed the outcome, but I'm very curious and concerned.

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