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Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:52 PM

The coronavirus pandemic has made Trump's psychiatric issues clear. We should remove him for our....

The coronavirus pandemic has made Trump's psychiatric issues clear. We should remove him for our own safety

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-coronavirus-reaction-psychiatric-issues-pandemic-impeach-a9421441.html

“Donald Trump may not have been expecting this, but a lot of other people in the government were—they just couldn’t get him to do anything about it,” an intelligence official recently said about the lack of mobilization around the now deadly coronavirus pandemic.


His behavior is exactly of what we expect of someone who is dangerously lacking in mental capacity. Just when surveillance was needed, he was more preoccupied with “keeping the numbers low” than testing and containment. And when behavioral change would decide the scale of the eventual calamity, he defiantly appeared in crowds, shaking hands and touching surfaces all the more.


As his rallies were canceled, he used daily press conferences for his emotional compulsion to create a desired, alternative reality, through delusional-level distortion and misinformation, rather than working to save lives. The pandemic makes stark the deadliness of his symptoms, and if we believe those around him will be able to contain or go around them, we are mistaken.


Here we enter the realm of pathology. What is truly dangerous is not the overt symptoms — even a psychotic patient wearing a tinfoil hat is not very dangerous — but the denial and the extent to which one would go to cover up symptoms. And this also goes for the president's handlers, by extension. We call this “loss of insight.” It is the loss of ability to take care of oneself or to see that one has a problem, which diminishes all the more in those who need intervention the most.


25th Amendment ? How impaired does he have to get before we use it ?

we = the Cabinet
"use it" = invoking it per the language of the 25th Amendment

Amendment XXV
Section 1.
In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2.
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3.
Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4.
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxv

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steve2470 Mar 2020 #5
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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:56 PM

1. What do you mean by "before we use it"

 


How do “we” use the 25th Amendment?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:57 PM

2. We equals the Cabinet

using it = invoking it per the language of the 25th Amendment

I'm no 25th Amendment lawyer, so I have nothing further to add.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:00 PM

4. I am not in the cabinet

 

...and I’m guessing you aren’t either.

So there is no “we” in the cabinet.

It also requires the Vice President to agree. So if I am not Mike Pence and you aren’t Mike Pence, there’s no “we” there either.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:01 PM

5. ok point taken

To be more clear, I should have said the Cabinet and Mike Pence and everyone else necessary as stipulated in the 25th Amendment.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:02 PM

8. I think cholesterol is more likely to act before they do

 

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:59 PM

3. Public pressure on the Republicons who enable him & protect him & endorsed him. . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:02 PM

7. I would bet there is no doubt in their minds...

 

...that a lot of people dislike Trump.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:02 PM

6. The government of America, of the people for the people,

paralyzed because of fear of a tweet.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:03 PM

9. Agreed, the sycophantic enablers around him have to go too. ASAP.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:06 PM

10. Tragically, the depth and breadth of his mental illness...

... has been on display for all to see.

So called "leaders" throughout the Republican party are crystal clear about how ill and dangerous he is, but they have their own disease: FOUDT (fear of upsetting DT). Outside of conversations among themselves, they continue to stand with him. They are the REAL problem. If even 20% started speaking their minds in public, DT would be toast.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:07 PM

11. + the entire 2 trilllion

Lock him up!

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