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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAm I the only one who DOESN'T feel like this election is in the bag for President Obama?
I still have a deep sense of unease about this election. Despite all the posts here to the contrary, I do believe that rMoney really wants to win. Yes, he's a shit candidate, but he's willing to do anything at all to win, and that of course, includes lie, cheat and steal.
He's got a ton of money to spend to do just that and over 50 days to do it in.
The deluge is just beginning. He has new racist welfare ads up. He's attacking the President on his purported refusal to meet with Nuttenyahu.
Just because he's desperate doesn't mean that Romney's not a threat or that things can't change pretty quickly in a lot of battleground states. In the debates, all he has to do is hold his own.
There's a lot of talk out there about how Romney's path to winning is a lot narrower than the Presidents and that's true, but it doesn't mean that he can't win.
October is a dangerous time for Presidential campaigns. Is Romney planning an October surprise? C'mon, of course he is. It doesn't have to be fact based. It just has to be damaging.
I'm far from cheering a supposedly inevitable win by the President. We need to fight this one all the way up to November 6.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)If they do, then they are playing with fire! We need to double down right now!
pnwest
(3,266 posts)Repugs have been so sloppy because they know they've already got this election won via voting machine rigging. And juuuust maybe they also don't care if Romney loses, as long as they steal the house and senate via that vote tampering, but figure we won't notice that as long as we're distracted/pacified with an Obama win.
kag
(4,079 posts)When Rachel did that story about Rmoney not campaigning after his convention I got a knot in my stomach. It was almost like he was advertising to the world that he doesn't NEED to campaign because he thinks he has it won. Either he "knows something" or he really is just that stupid. Now, I know he's not the brightest star in the sky, but I don't think he got to be a billionaire by being that dumb. He got it by being evil and manipulative, and by cheating. Yeah, I'm a little worried.
yankeepants
(1,979 posts)asjr
(10,479 posts)voting machines will steal another election.
pampango
(24,692 posts)And the GOP has plenty of money and friends to stir things up at just the right time. Romney can certainly still win. We'll have plenty of time to celebrate after November 6. There is absolutely no reason to do so now.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)in states like Pennsylvania which is OBVIOUSLY targeting Democrats and minorities. You would think Eric Holder would be there defending voter rights but **crickets**. Though I've recently been told by Party Loyalists that these are "local issues" and that the President shouldn't get involved.
If anything is going to throw this election Romney's way it will be election fraud.
judesedit
(4,438 posts)people to vote. They can't win if the people can vote and have their vote count. Paul Weyrich said "I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of the people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." Why do you think they are trying to redistrict in just about every state and disenfranchise voters???
oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)is the tea party folks recruiting "poll watchers"... would like to feel warm fuzzy about this election, when i see Nate's numbers i get that feeling... label me cautiously optimistic
LeftofObama
(4,243 posts)I guess that sums up my feelings too. It ain't over til it's over and a lot can happen in 50+ days.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)results, nothing is a sure thing.
tomp
(9,512 posts)...has always been bipartisan.
you'll notice democrats have done nothing to deal with electronic vote rigging, despite likely losing two presidential and god knows how many other local elections to it.
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)but is there any evidence that Dems have voting machine companies in their pocket?
tomp
(9,512 posts)they haven't attacked them.
Llewlladdwr
(2,165 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)Ask Carly Fiorina and Meg Whitman about how good a job unlimited funding does in making up for being a shitty candidate.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)...has killed Romney in Ohio according to internal polls.
The commercial is about Bain closing a paper mill in Marion, Indiana. The employee said "when I was building the stage, I didn't know I was building my own coffin", or something like that.
laruemtt
(3,992 posts)i didn't think it was possible for an idiot like bush to beat someone like Gore. of course, bush did not beat Gore, but that didn't prevent him from taking the presidency. nervous here too......
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)he would have a good chance. Here, the press has not been particularly kind to Romney. There is no evidence that anyone likes Romney unlike Bush-- and Bush had a lot more in the way of connections.
pnwest
(3,266 posts)go gouge out my mind's eye.
iwillalwayswonderwhy
(2,602 posts)I really had absolutely no doubt that Gore would win. I still believe he did win, but it shouldn't have been even close enough to steal.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)barbtries
(28,789 posts)the news looks good but it would be naive to think the republicans won't do anything whatsoever to take over the government.
i am absolutely confident however that if we GOTV, we will win. we need another landslide. i do believe that romney cannot WIN the election. but either could gw and he was president for 8 years,
Arkansas Granny
(31,516 posts)Romney has so much money behind him and there is a lot of hatred for President Obama.
tclambert
(11,085 posts)We need coattails. We need to win back the House.
If Obama wins without the support in Congress it won't be pretty. It will be like our Michigan governor Granholm.....she didn't get any support in her second term and her approval ratings went down. I am thinking it will be a very close election. I just think Americans attitudes are so anti government and so "I pay taxes and those who don't shouldn't benefit" they are voting against themselves. We should look in the mirror and see if we are different from what is going on in the Middle East. My soap box for the day.
Don't forget to vote.....
Biafran
(45 posts)Unless he acts decisively against the killers of U.S ambassador to Lybia, he'll go the way of Carter.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)against terrorists? Why don't you ask Bin Laden.
He won't go the way of Carter.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)A lot of people will react to the Libyan-Egyptian thing with a tremendous burst of complete rage.
Whether this rage will have dissipated by election day, I don't know.
But if the rage hasn't dissipated, we very well may have a problem.
The President may have to be more belicose than his instincts tell him to be in order to keep the economics-oriented voters that he has attracted.
It's really a sticky wicket from now until the election.
F-ing Senor is on the tube. Gotta go.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I got swept up in all the pro-Kerry posts in 2004, and all the stories of how a Republican relative/friend/co-worker/neighbor who had never voted for a Democrat before was going to vote for Kerry in 2004...
and, we all know how that turned out. (Kerry won, but not by enough where Republics couldn't steal Ohio.)
So, I agree with you on being cautious.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)I joined in 2004 but lurked before that. I really, truly believed Kerry was going to win big and there were so many positive posts here on DU. I cried on election night and I'm not even an American (and yes, I remember the 'big switch' that suddenly happened). I didn't start cheering Obama's win until he was making his victory speech. This time with all the voter suppression and other various crap I will be even more nervous.
young_at_heart
(3,767 posts)If you've seen the movie "Idiocracy" you'll know why I worried.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)4dsc
(5,787 posts)but we must keep up the excitement of reelecting the President till November.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I saw lots of posts in August saying this election was going to be a blowout. I always replied that I thought that was very premature to start making such predictions. Even Nate Silver's prediction maybe a little too rosy (and btw I like Nate).
Being overseas I'm limited what I can do. I can urge people to vote and help people register. I've donated money and unfortunately come upon tight times and feel disappointed because I'd love to donate $100. I still maybe able to squeeze out another small donation before the end of the month, but not near as much as I would like to.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)It's going to take everything we've got. The President simply isn't going to get the support that he did in suburban white America that he got four years ago, he needs turnout in urban areas badly.
spicegal
(758 posts)the odds should be against him. The GOP is way better funded and have enacted all sorts of voter suppression laws. They are absolutely desperate to win, and will do anything. If people don't register to vote and/or turn out so that he can win decisively, we could really get screwed. The right wing IS motivated and have the money.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Hopefully it will. But I recall how Republicans sat and stared in stunned disbelief when McCain lost in 2008. That is the price for only listening to reports they want to hear. We must all guard against the temptation to do that. It is very well within the realm of possibility that Romney could win. I think he probably won't. But he certainly could.
Posts like this make me nervous . You know we Just need to make sure we keep registering as many people as we can .Make sure they have have ID' and the THEy GOTV
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)We know that it's still possible for Romney to eke out a victory, by hook or by crook, and we also know we need to keep working, GOTV, and focus on downballot races, too. There's no need to remind us several times of day of something we already know. To me, it's the equivalent of, "Hey, did you know the sun's going to set this evening? Better be prepared for it," as if this were a startling new fact.
Curtland1015
(4,404 posts)I get knowing we still have a ways to go, but if an "October surprise" is going to happen, we can't do anything about until it does. So why worry about something that hasn't happened yet and we have no control over?
That aside, of course they'll try to steal votes. But they can't steal an election unless the margins are razor thin to begin with. I don't believe they will be.
Hell there are people in this very topic who have said outright they think the Repubs WILL steal the election. In my opinion, hopelessness is a WAY more damaging opinion than confidence.
We are in a really good position right now. We can enjoy feeling good about that and still know the jobs not done. We're all responsible adults here.
For me, it's honestly kinda nice to see so much confidence around here. It's pretty rare!
Dannyteague
(51 posts)I am not even sure Obama will win.
lame54
(35,287 posts)Netanyahu and Romney might give us an October Surprise to help the GOP with election fraud and voter suppression.
sweetapogee
(1,168 posts)but this is one of the reasons why I think it is a mistake for the admin to engage in an open feud with Israel this close to the election.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Rustycup
(41 posts)He's attacking the President on his purported refusal to meet with Nuttenyahu
it might be working. The WH today said they stand behind Israel in support of preventing Iran from Nuclear Weapons. I just feel sometimes that the Republicans frame an issue and the WH reacts. The WH sometimes doesn't frame and get in front of it first. I hope we don't decide now to attack Iran. Sanction's work but create more hate. Rachel Maddows last night was saying that a survey was done in which over 60% of Americans do not want a war with Iran. Of course when has any administration listened to the American people when it comes to war. The same survey said 80% of Americans believe it was wrong to go to Iraq. The WH just needs to repeat that story......
What is it with Iran that we have to go to another war? What if China starting saying we should be concerned with the U.S.A. and wanted to attack us? No one considers how a country might feel when you pick them to be your next war victims.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)above starting WWIII to gain power. In fact, WWIII would fill their coffers nicely and they have scads of fundamentalists of all stripes to keep it going until they can blast each other and the rest of into oblivion.
What I don't get is why the large group of people who aren't extremists in these religions sit there silently and watch their religions tear the world up. Does their belief system allow them the luxury of letting others do the dirty work for them?
Winning one battle doesn't mean you've won the war.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)There is nothing wrong with any of your cautiousness in this election. Sure money talks. Sure the right has lied and lied and lied. And the right is full of racists and hatred. I fully expect Rmoney to pull something out of his ass in October, and I'm sure it will be dirty (I wont go there) But I'm a numbers man. He's leading is the polls. At this time, I feel, and many others, that he has an 80% chance of winning. This man has done more for this country than any other president in recent history. He's strong in his beliefs and a true humanitarian. I have to believe in the human race to do the right thing. There can't be that many racists and stupid people in this country to overtake him. He did it in 2008, with little experience, and I am confident he'll do it again. He tested the water, has learned from his experiences, and has become a great president. He knows now what has to be done to get us on the right track. I am an optimist and firmly believe he'll win in November, with major upsets in many states. There's no turning back. Lets ride the wave to November and elect President Obama! What can we do ensure it? Everyone you meet, ask who they are voting for. Voice your concerns and opinions. IE: I talked to 5 people yesterday, all under 25, that were unsure as to who to vote for. I'm pretty sure I got 4/5 to vote Obama. It's quite simple. The facts can't lie.
DemKittyNC
(743 posts)then I do not think we have anything to worry about. Yes they will try every dirty trick in the book and they will be stealing votes but if we all get out and vote, take other people to the polls that have trouble getting out or don't have a ride then they can't possibly steal every vote. We out number them, I have no doubt about it as long as we get off our asses and VOTE!
Granny M
(1,395 posts)We do need to keep fighting hard until the end. The voter suppression problems make me especially nervous. There could be a hell of a lot of Obama voters turned away at the poles.
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)But Amercia is not the reality based world.
Personally, and I know this is going to sound totally fucked up, but I feel that if they steal this election, we have to burn the place to ground. If they steal this election, I want to completely destroy this country, from top to bottom. My home, your home and everyone and everything in it. If they manage to steal this election, none of us deserves to survive. I want a revolution, a civil war. Death to Amercia. If they steal this election, I imagine that I will end up in prison for the rest of my life by November 8th or 9th, and I invite the rest of you to join me there.
No, not really.
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)Debates. Middle East. Gas Prices. Hurricane Season. There are a lot of variables. We need to go all out with raising money and ground game -- we especially need to GOTV.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)They already stole 2 elections.
I am tired of hearing from people that he's a shoe-in.
I am tired of hearing on the media that it's a horse race.
Either way, it's not over, till it's over.
We MUST get out people to vote.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)giving the Repukes an advamtage to steal it..We have to keep voters energized,registered,and help them get their ID's
sellitman
(11,606 posts)It must be a landslide. Otherwise they will flip enough voted via GOP owned voting machines to steal the election.
Not feeling so good about it here. It's closer than last time.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)there is nothing that changes my mind on that
(even foreign affairs, Romney offers nothing, and in a dire situation foreign wise, America does not switch to a newbie, it has never happened.)Obama is NOT Jimmy Carter.No matter how hard the rightwingrepubteapartylibertarians try to say he is.
and, just saying-
if the Bush's stole 2000 and 2004, well, a bush is not running in 2012, and if Mitt/Ryan got in, Jeb wouldn't be able to run, which would ruin their strategy. So the Bush analogies do not hold in 2012 because they cannot achieve their goals.
(they might want to damage the dems so next time they can say now its time to go to a sane repub, but they would not want to do it now).
kentuck
(111,090 posts)Romney will do better on election day if he is perceived as "behind" in the polls. If he is even or ahead, many Republicans would sit it out, in my opinion, because they don't really care for him and are looking for an excuse not to vote for him. Just my opinion.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Anything can happen. I'm not going to breathe until it's called for President Obama (hopefully).
It's not a sure thing and anyone who believes it is, is asking to be let down, IMO. That's what happened in 2004.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Because posting about being worried is not going to get Obama elected.
I posted an invitation to people who are volunteering to K&R and sign in and got few responses.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1011339
Every DUer should be doing something beyond posting on DU and just talking if we are going to get Obama elected. You can count on lots of dirty tricks between now and November 6.
CrispyQ
(36,461 posts)I expect to see the same 'ole shenanigans with not enough voting machines in dem precincts & lots of stories about disenfranchised (mostly) dem voters, but I also would not be surprised to see an event even more shocking & upsetting that the 2000 SCOTUS steal & the 2004 OH flip.
The repubs, both the tea baggers & regular party, are desperate. The People are starting to see how wacko the TB are, but the repubs can't shake them, off cuz they can't win w/o them. They are slime & will do whatever they have to, to win.
I have plenty of issues with some of this president's policies, but I am voting against bigotry this year. If they win, they will feel their hate has been validated. And of course, the media will hail it as a mandate. A mandate on hate.
Speaking of hate, have I mentioned how much I hate the corporate media?
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)20-25% of the votes will be cast directly on computers with no way to even recount, should a judge actually order a recount....
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)...and particularly after Mittens' little piece of performance art this morning, I am going to reverse my position on this.
It IS in the bag.
Totally in the bag.
Obama will get reelected.
Easily.
There is no fucking way Mittens will ever win the Oval.
The toady media, the diplomatic corps and the military have just turned against him, and no amount of vote stealing is going to overcome the landslide by which Obama is going to win this.
I would never have said that before, even as recently as this morning.
But now I know, without any doubt, that this smirking robot...
...will never get elected.
You can relax a little now, but of course, make sure that everyone you know votes on November 6th.
lexw
(804 posts)but I'm still donating $100, and I'm currently unemployed. Our CEO announced a 50/50: 50% here, 50% overseas and it (and everything else he did) failed. He sold the Southern California segment to a company on the east coast. So, seeing that smirk above is like watching and listening to the fat, stuttering, egocentric CEO that I had the displeasure to work under. $100 won't break me, and I'll gladly give it and more to keep this man out.
Sorry to go off topic a bit.
Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)270th electoral vote is cast in January 2013. I do not trust their gang to follow ANY rules of decent human behavior.
DemKittyNC
(743 posts)need to get out to VOTE! Yes it is probably in the bag especially what happened today but please GOTY and get your friends and family members to VOTE. Unless they want to vote for Rmoney then just ignore them or flatten their tires... hehehe
Redford
(373 posts)I knew Obama would win in 2008 but I was still nervous. Living in Texas (red state), I have several friends who do not like Romney but cannot wait to vote for him over Obama. Several of my fellow Christian friends that were saying they would never vote for Romney because he is a mormon are now telling me they do not want 4 more years of Obama. So, I am a bit concerned.
Ter
(4,281 posts)I remember a day before the Scott Walker recall election several months back. There was a poll here, and it was like 80-20 that he would be recalled. People are delusional.
With that said, I doubt Obama will lose. Not because Obama is terribly popular, but because Romney is a terrible candidate. In fact, they all were awful in that primary. However, I believe there is no way Republicans lose the House - near zero chance - and and 85% chance they lose the Senate.
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts). . . I mean, how many of us thought it was inconceivable that Bush could possibly win a second term? I know I certainly did.
cherish44
(2,566 posts)Yes I know there are those who contend he "wasn't" elected in but the fact that it was that close means there are a lot of idiots in America that exercise their right to vote.
andym
(5,443 posts)Therefore, it is very important to contribute cash and work.
Use Facebook to help get out the vote in November!
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)His campaign is incompetant. I know we may not be used to having an opponent being this incompetent, and of course we had the stolen election of 2000. But the Republicans are not omnipotent and they are not gods. Yes, they are very capable of running an awful campaign. Yes, Democrats are capable of running an incredibly good campaign. And that's what's happening. Past elections have made us skeptical, so we are waiting for the other shoe to drop. But that doesn't mean every time we're winning there must be some super-secret nefarious Republican plot lurking just beneath the surface.
No, I don't believe so. Or at least, if he is then I don't believe he or his campaign has the capability of putting together some genius plan to be sprung a week before the election. It's good to stay alert and not take anything for granted. But Romney and his campaign are completely and utterly lost. They are incompetant. If they were anywhere near capable of pulling off a successful "October surprise", they would not be in the hole they're in right now.
The "deluge" started in April. They've tried one line of attack after another and nothing has stuck. Why would it now? Why would the Romney campaign suddenly turn into Mensa after months of totally laughable follies, gaffes, missteps, and amateur mistakes?
Don't take anything for granted. As you say, fight it all the way to November 6. But let's also not be so paranoid that we turn Romney into an evil genius that he isn't.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)I don't know what the evil KKKarl Rove segment of the GOP has up their sleeves besides voter suppression. They could screw things up still even though we have less than two months until election day.
BattyDem
(11,075 posts)The GOP is running the worst candidate ever. The man is hated by at least half the party and they knew this BEFORE he was nominated, yet they nominated him anyway. The party has gone all-out on racism, bigotry and misogyny. They've declared war on unions and working people in general. They don't even try to govern anymore - they just obstruct. They've embraced lying as a way of life and they're proud of it. They have alienated almost every group of voters in the country, with the exception of rich, white guys and RW extremists.
These are not the actions of a party that's trying to win. You don't do things like this if you think you actually have to convince people to vote for you. You do things like this if you believe there's no way you're going to lose.
And that scares the hell out of me.
Rosco T.
(6,496 posts)"Don't get cocky kid"
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Poor Mittens REALLY screwed this thing up ....
I haven't been so confident in years ....
Obama now leads in the MALE vote ? ... oh hell ... Game would be over ....
Two months to go ... yeah .... But this race is on a freekin rocket ship right now ..... Obama is riding a huge wave ....
Nice to see it ....
woolldog
(8,791 posts)and it looks like it's in the bag even to me. esp after this Libya thing and the way Romney flubbed it.
NashvilleLefty
(811 posts)I thought it was in the bag for Kerry for 2004.
Let's not be naive - if it's close they will steal it. Don't forget 2000, or 2004. Until we get rid of their dirty tricks, we will need enough of an over-whelming victory that they can't steal it. Only after that can we over-turn their dirty tricks.
But that takes US! WE have to do it!
BootinUp
(47,144 posts)I am sure there are plenty of people who over the last 12 years have been conditioned to be ready for anything. I am somewhat surprised at my own feeling of confidence that Obama has this one just about wrapped up. Its premature and all, I just can't help it. I want this election to wash away some of the bad memories I guess.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)I remember when Bush stole 2000, and R-Money HAS enough cash to use it to wards stealing this election also. Everyone on this board knows that Republicans would do ANYTHING to win this election. They know this is their last Howrah to try and get power back, because most of all the better Republicans (Those who would have supported Eisenhower) have bailed out..leaving the worst dregs to run their show.
We know they have been attempting to purge democratic voters from the lists. They have in the past methods of hacking the vote. They were even caught dumping votes into a landfill. The Republicans have no honor, no real morals, and are unscrupulous. They are NOT to be trusted, which is why the President is doing what he did last time, having lawyers on the ground at the voting places to make sure people are not harassed, or intimidated.
We need another landslide, like the first time. The Koch brothers, and other jerks, will be pouring tons of cash into bringing the President down. We saw what the swift boaters did to John Kerry. They have a history of being underhanded, and unrelenting when it comes to trying to get their way. We must be and always remain vigilant.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)I'm a lot more confident than I was a few months ago but we've got a long way to go and congressional and senate races that are in jeopardy as well.
Gold Metal Flake
(13,805 posts)It's NOT in the bag, if you consider the bag to also contain the makings of as many Democratic majorities as possible. Willard may be toast but there is taking back the House. There is the defense of the Senate. There are state and local elections. I know you know this, I'm just sayin'.
emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)Zookeeper
(6,536 posts)without cheating and there's no indication that they've abandoned the practice; so, I don't take anything for granted.
spin
(17,493 posts)Romney is a weak candidate but that could change if he manages by some miracle to win the debates.
Also there is no way to predict events in the near future. A coordinated terror attack against our embassies that results in more deaths or a terrorist attack here in the states might make a difference.
Al-Qaeda has good reason to hate Obama because he was far more effective at damaging their organization than Bush the Younger was. Obama DID get Osama and many other leaders of Al-Queda.
Raine
(30,540 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)I'm on pins and needles this whole time. Romney and the republicons are capable of doing anything to steal this election..be it Voter Suppression, tampering with voting machines, purging, millions of $$$$$ in Smear Ads, and yes the ol October surprise.
Too bad they have such a deplorable sick fuck to run..it could have been so much easier for them.