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cali

(114,904 posts)
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:27 AM Sep 2012

Am I the only one who DOESN'T feel like this election is in the bag for President Obama?

I still have a deep sense of unease about this election. Despite all the posts here to the contrary, I do believe that rMoney really wants to win. Yes, he's a shit candidate, but he's willing to do anything at all to win, and that of course, includes lie, cheat and steal.
He's got a ton of money to spend to do just that and over 50 days to do it in.

The deluge is just beginning. He has new racist welfare ads up. He's attacking the President on his purported refusal to meet with Nuttenyahu.

Just because he's desperate doesn't mean that Romney's not a threat or that things can't change pretty quickly in a lot of battleground states. In the debates, all he has to do is hold his own.

There's a lot of talk out there about how Romney's path to winning is a lot narrower than the Presidents and that's true, but it doesn't mean that he can't win.

October is a dangerous time for Presidential campaigns. Is Romney planning an October surprise? C'mon, of course he is. It doesn't have to be fact based. It just has to be damaging.

I'm far from cheering a supposedly inevitable win by the President. We need to fight this one all the way up to November 6.

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Am I the only one who DOESN'T feel like this election is in the bag for President Obama? (Original Post) cali Sep 2012 OP
I think most are just being positive, no one believes we have it in the bag. Firebrand Gary Sep 2012 #1
I have a very bad feeling that Romney and the pnwest Sep 2012 #2
That's been bothering me, too. kag Sep 2012 #30
Who ever handles the E-voting machines has it in the bag n/t yankeepants Sep 2012 #3
That has been bothering me for a long time. The asjr Sep 2012 #5
Agreed. He has a nice lead in registered voters, but not in likely voters. The latter is very close. pampango Sep 2012 #4
I'm very concerned about voter suppression er, "I.D. laws" Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #6
The GOP will steal an election every chance they get. They've actually admitted they don't want judesedit Sep 2012 #7
what scares me as much as anything oldhippydude Sep 2012 #8
Cautiously optimistic. LeftofObama Sep 2012 #9
As long as the right has a reputation for corruption in elections and no hesitancy to fluff the mfcorey1 Sep 2012 #10
election rigging, like war,.... tomp Sep 2012 #11
yes, election rigging should be bipartisan in theory NoMoreWarNow Sep 2012 #49
no evidence, only inference. tomp Sep 2012 #68
Well, we do have a Democratic President in the White House. Llewlladdwr Sep 2012 #73
I was more concerned 4 years ago. Sure Romney has more financial resources at his disposal, but corkhead Sep 2012 #12
That commercial where the employee had to build the stage where the plant closing was announced Kolesar Sep 2012 #13
remember 2000. laruemtt Sep 2012 #14
yeah, but in 2000, the media was totally fluffing Bush so I knew NoMoreWarNow Sep 2012 #50
lol! "fluffing Bush"! Now I have to... pnwest Sep 2012 #58
After 2000, I'll never feel confident again iwillalwayswonderwhy Sep 2012 #15
I swear I saw an AP article in 2010 that said BHO was half-way through his Administration. blkmusclmachine Sep 2012 #16
of course we have to work all the way to the end. barbtries Sep 2012 #17
I worry too. Arkansas Granny Sep 2012 #18
I'm pretty confident Obama will win, but I'm worried about Congress. tclambert Sep 2012 #19
Me too Rustycup Sep 2012 #34
It is not in the bag. Biafran Sep 2012 #20
When did he not act decisively CJCRANE Sep 2012 #21
That is a distinct possibility. amandabeech Sep 2012 #67
I joined DU in 2003 NewJeffCT Sep 2012 #22
Yep. laundry_queen Sep 2012 #74
How many people even know what Romney did? Too busy watch reality TV? young_at_heart Sep 2012 #76
Won't be in the bag until inauguration Jan. 2013. Close but very winnable. GOtV, DownTicket. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #23
We should not rest on our laurels too soon 4dsc Sep 2012 #24
I feel the same way and for the record I started supporting Obama in April 2007 davidpdx Sep 2012 #25
It is NOT in the bag. WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #26
You're right customerserviceguy Sep 2012 #27
I certainly don't feel that way at all. In fact, with the economy (employment) still not picking up spicegal Sep 2012 #28
at this moment things look good..but that will not necessarily be the case come Nov. 6 Douglas Carpenter Sep 2012 #29
God outsideworld Sep 2012 #31
They don't make me nervous in the least. I find them ridiculous and annoying. gkhouston Sep 2012 #39
I'm sorry, but what good does worrying do? Curtland1015 Sep 2012 #32
agree, How many votes will they steal? Dannyteague Sep 2012 #33
Today's news may be a game changer lame54 Sep 2012 #35
No Turbineguy Sep 2012 #36
agree but for different reasons sweetapogee Sep 2012 #43
I think things may get uglier after what happened today. nt Codeine Sep 2012 #37
Romney is baiting the President Rustycup Sep 2012 #38
I tend to agree with you. After trying everything else, Romney and his backers aren't Skidmore Sep 2012 #40
Nope sarge43 Sep 2012 #41
Proceed with optimism SmittynMo Sep 2012 #42
As long as we VOTE DemKittyNC Sep 2012 #44
You are not. Granny M Sep 2012 #45
In a reality based world, it would be in the bag... RevStPatrick Sep 2012 #46
It's not in the bag until the EC meets. OmahaBlueDog Sep 2012 #47
No you are not RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #48
Im concerned overconfident voters just wont show up INdemo Sep 2012 #51
The only way Obama wins is like last time sellitman Sep 2012 #52
the election is over, Obama won graham4anything Sep 2012 #53
I think the polls will drive the turnout somewhat. kentuck Sep 2012 #54
I'm hopeful, but cautious... cynatnite Sep 2012 #55
Are you working on or volunteering for the Obama campaign or your local Democratic Party? JDPriestly Sep 2012 #56
It's never in the bag. Even when you have it in the bag, it can get out. CrispyQ Sep 2012 #57
ES&S, formerly Diebold, is counting approximately 80% of American votes. robinlynne Sep 2012 #59
You know what? After the events of the last two days... RevStPatrick Sep 2012 #60
I pretty much agree... lexw Sep 2012 #80
I'm highly optimistic but by NO means entirely confident. I will allow myself to feel smug when the Rowdyboy Sep 2012 #61
We still DemKittyNC Sep 2012 #62
After 2000 and 2004, I don't celebrate until I know for sure. Redford Sep 2012 #63
People here are far too cocky Ter Sep 2012 #64
I think overconfidence is potentially a HUGE problem . . . markpkessinger Sep 2012 #65
I never underestimate the stupidity of a people who could elected GWB twice cherish44 Sep 2012 #66
This is election is not in the bag. They have too much money to use. andym Sep 2012 #69
Nothing is ever "in the bag", but Romney is sliding downhill very, very quickly. NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #70
No you are not. I've watched how they cheat steal and lie. lonestarnot Sep 2012 #71
I'm with you. Cleita Sep 2012 #72
The combination of voter ID, voter purging and Diebold have me very worried. BattyDem Sep 2012 #75
I will continue to heed the wisdom of Captain Solo... and suggest eveyone do so. Rosco T. Sep 2012 #77
You are now .... Trajan Sep 2012 #78
I'm a worrywart.... woolldog Sep 2012 #79
Well, I WOULD think it's in the bag except NashvilleLefty Sep 2012 #81
Probably not BootinUp Sep 2012 #82
You have every right to feel that way....I feel it too AsahinaKimi Sep 2012 #83
you most certainly are not ibegurpard Sep 2012 #84
Down Ticket Elections. Gold Metal Flake Sep 2012 #85
It IS NOT in the bag. GOTV!!! emulatorloo Sep 2012 #86
Apparently, the Rethugs can't win a Presidential election.. Zookeeper Sep 2012 #87
Never underestimate your opponent. ... spin Sep 2012 #88
I'm hopeful but I think it could go either way. nt Raine Sep 2012 #89
No way do I think it's in the bag. Cha Sep 2012 #90

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
1. I think most are just being positive, no one believes we have it in the bag.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:41 AM
Sep 2012

If they do, then they are playing with fire! We need to double down right now!

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
2. I have a very bad feeling that Romney and the
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:44 AM
Sep 2012

Repugs have been so sloppy because they know they've already got this election won via voting machine rigging. And juuuust maybe they also don't care if Romney loses, as long as they steal the house and senate via that vote tampering, but figure we won't notice that as long as we're distracted/pacified with an Obama win.

kag

(4,079 posts)
30. That's been bothering me, too.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:27 AM
Sep 2012

When Rachel did that story about Rmoney not campaigning after his convention I got a knot in my stomach. It was almost like he was advertising to the world that he doesn't NEED to campaign because he thinks he has it won. Either he "knows something" or he really is just that stupid. Now, I know he's not the brightest star in the sky, but I don't think he got to be a billionaire by being that dumb. He got it by being evil and manipulative, and by cheating. Yeah, I'm a little worried.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
4. Agreed. He has a nice lead in registered voters, but not in likely voters. The latter is very close.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:47 AM
Sep 2012

And the GOP has plenty of money and friends to stir things up at just the right time. Romney can certainly still win. We'll have plenty of time to celebrate after November 6. There is absolutely no reason to do so now.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
6. I'm very concerned about voter suppression er, "I.D. laws"
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:56 AM
Sep 2012

in states like Pennsylvania which is OBVIOUSLY targeting Democrats and minorities. You would think Eric Holder would be there defending voter rights but **crickets**. Though I've recently been told by Party Loyalists that these are "local issues" and that the President shouldn't get involved.

If anything is going to throw this election Romney's way it will be election fraud.

judesedit

(4,438 posts)
7. The GOP will steal an election every chance they get. They've actually admitted they don't want
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:59 AM
Sep 2012

people to vote. They can't win if the people can vote and have their vote count. Paul Weyrich said "I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of the people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." Why do you think they are trying to redistrict in just about every state and disenfranchise voters???

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
8. what scares me as much as anything
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:02 AM
Sep 2012

is the tea party folks recruiting "poll watchers"... would like to feel warm fuzzy about this election, when i see Nate's numbers i get that feeling... label me cautiously optimistic

LeftofObama

(4,243 posts)
9. Cautiously optimistic.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:10 AM
Sep 2012

I guess that sums up my feelings too. It ain't over til it's over and a lot can happen in 50+ days.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
10. As long as the right has a reputation for corruption in elections and no hesitancy to fluff the
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:15 AM
Sep 2012

results, nothing is a sure thing.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
11. election rigging, like war,....
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:29 AM
Sep 2012

...has always been bipartisan.

you'll notice democrats have done nothing to deal with electronic vote rigging, despite likely losing two presidential and god knows how many other local elections to it.

 

NoMoreWarNow

(1,259 posts)
49. yes, election rigging should be bipartisan in theory
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:36 AM
Sep 2012

but is there any evidence that Dems have voting machine companies in their pocket?

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
12. I was more concerned 4 years ago. Sure Romney has more financial resources at his disposal, but
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:29 AM
Sep 2012

Ask Carly Fiorina and Meg Whitman about how good a job unlimited funding does in making up for being a shitty candidate.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
13. That commercial where the employee had to build the stage where the plant closing was announced
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:29 AM
Sep 2012

...has killed Romney in Ohio according to internal polls.

The commercial is about Bain closing a paper mill in Marion, Indiana. The employee said "when I was building the stage, I didn't know I was building my own coffin", or something like that.

laruemtt

(3,992 posts)
14. remember 2000.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:29 AM
Sep 2012

i didn't think it was possible for an idiot like bush to beat someone like Gore. of course, bush did not beat Gore, but that didn't prevent him from taking the presidency. nervous here too......

 

NoMoreWarNow

(1,259 posts)
50. yeah, but in 2000, the media was totally fluffing Bush so I knew
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:38 AM
Sep 2012

he would have a good chance. Here, the press has not been particularly kind to Romney. There is no evidence that anyone likes Romney unlike Bush-- and Bush had a lot more in the way of connections.

iwillalwayswonderwhy

(2,602 posts)
15. After 2000, I'll never feel confident again
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:30 AM
Sep 2012

I really had absolutely no doubt that Gore would win. I still believe he did win, but it shouldn't have been even close enough to steal.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
16. I swear I saw an AP article in 2010 that said BHO was half-way through his Administration.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:33 AM
Sep 2012
They made it sound like the 2012 Election had already been decided.

barbtries

(28,789 posts)
17. of course we have to work all the way to the end.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:36 AM
Sep 2012

the news looks good but it would be naive to think the republicans won't do anything whatsoever to take over the government.
i am absolutely confident however that if we GOTV, we will win. we need another landslide. i do believe that romney cannot WIN the election. but either could gw and he was president for 8 years,

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
19. I'm pretty confident Obama will win, but I'm worried about Congress.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:40 AM
Sep 2012

We need coattails. We need to win back the House.

Rustycup

(41 posts)
34. Me too
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:49 AM
Sep 2012

If Obama wins without the support in Congress it won't be pretty. It will be like our Michigan governor Granholm.....she didn't get any support in her second term and her approval ratings went down. I am thinking it will be a very close election. I just think Americans attitudes are so anti government and so "I pay taxes and those who don't shouldn't benefit" they are voting against themselves. We should look in the mirror and see if we are different from what is going on in the Middle East. My soap box for the day.

Don't forget to vote.....

 

Biafran

(45 posts)
20. It is not in the bag.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:42 AM
Sep 2012

Unless he acts decisively against the killers of U.S ambassador to Lybia, he'll go the way of Carter.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
21. When did he not act decisively
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:49 AM
Sep 2012

against terrorists? Why don't you ask Bin Laden.

He won't go the way of Carter.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
67. That is a distinct possibility.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:32 PM
Sep 2012

A lot of people will react to the Libyan-Egyptian thing with a tremendous burst of complete rage.

Whether this rage will have dissipated by election day, I don't know.

But if the rage hasn't dissipated, we very well may have a problem.

The President may have to be more belicose than his instincts tell him to be in order to keep the economics-oriented voters that he has attracted.

It's really a sticky wicket from now until the election.

F-ing Senor is on the tube. Gotta go.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
22. I joined DU in 2003
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:56 AM
Sep 2012

I got swept up in all the pro-Kerry posts in 2004, and all the stories of how a Republican relative/friend/co-worker/neighbor who had never voted for a Democrat before was going to vote for Kerry in 2004...

and, we all know how that turned out. (Kerry won, but not by enough where Republics couldn't steal Ohio.)

So, I agree with you on being cautious.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
74. Yep.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:24 PM
Sep 2012

I joined in 2004 but lurked before that. I really, truly believed Kerry was going to win big and there were so many positive posts here on DU. I cried on election night and I'm not even an American (and yes, I remember the 'big switch' that suddenly happened). I didn't start cheering Obama's win until he was making his victory speech. This time with all the voter suppression and other various crap I will be even more nervous.


young_at_heart

(3,767 posts)
76. How many people even know what Romney did? Too busy watch reality TV?
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:55 PM
Sep 2012

If you've seen the movie "Idiocracy" you'll know why I worried.

 

4dsc

(5,787 posts)
24. We should not rest on our laurels too soon
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:13 AM
Sep 2012

but we must keep up the excitement of reelecting the President till November.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
25. I feel the same way and for the record I started supporting Obama in April 2007
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:18 AM
Sep 2012

I saw lots of posts in August saying this election was going to be a blowout. I always replied that I thought that was very premature to start making such predictions. Even Nate Silver's prediction maybe a little too rosy (and btw I like Nate).

Being overseas I'm limited what I can do. I can urge people to vote and help people register. I've donated money and unfortunately come upon tight times and feel disappointed because I'd love to donate $100. I still maybe able to squeeze out another small donation before the end of the month, but not near as much as I would like to.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
27. You're right
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:20 AM
Sep 2012

It's going to take everything we've got. The President simply isn't going to get the support that he did in suburban white America that he got four years ago, he needs turnout in urban areas badly.

spicegal

(758 posts)
28. I certainly don't feel that way at all. In fact, with the economy (employment) still not picking up
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:20 AM
Sep 2012

the odds should be against him. The GOP is way better funded and have enacted all sorts of voter suppression laws. They are absolutely desperate to win, and will do anything. If people don't register to vote and/or turn out so that he can win decisively, we could really get screwed. The right wing IS motivated and have the money.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
29. at this moment things look good..but that will not necessarily be the case come Nov. 6
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:25 AM
Sep 2012

Hopefully it will. But I recall how Republicans sat and stared in stunned disbelief when McCain lost in 2008. That is the price for only listening to reports they want to hear. We must all guard against the temptation to do that. It is very well within the realm of possibility that Romney could win. I think he probably won't. But he certainly could.

outsideworld

(601 posts)
31. God
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:43 AM
Sep 2012

Posts like this make me nervous . You know we Just need to make sure we keep registering as many people as we can .Make sure they have have ID' and the THEy GOTV

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
39. They don't make me nervous in the least. I find them ridiculous and annoying.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:57 AM
Sep 2012

We know that it's still possible for Romney to eke out a victory, by hook or by crook, and we also know we need to keep working, GOTV, and focus on downballot races, too. There's no need to remind us several times of day of something we already know. To me, it's the equivalent of, "Hey, did you know the sun's going to set this evening? Better be prepared for it," as if this were a startling new fact.

Curtland1015

(4,404 posts)
32. I'm sorry, but what good does worrying do?
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:48 AM
Sep 2012

I get knowing we still have a ways to go, but if an "October surprise" is going to happen, we can't do anything about until it does. So why worry about something that hasn't happened yet and we have no control over?

That aside, of course they'll try to steal votes. But they can't steal an election unless the margins are razor thin to begin with. I don't believe they will be.

Hell there are people in this very topic who have said outright they think the Repubs WILL steal the election. In my opinion, hopelessness is a WAY more damaging opinion than confidence.

We are in a really good position right now. We can enjoy feeling good about that and still know the jobs not done. We're all responsible adults here.

For me, it's honestly kinda nice to see so much confidence around here. It's pretty rare!

Turbineguy

(37,324 posts)
36. No
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:55 AM
Sep 2012

Netanyahu and Romney might give us an October Surprise to help the GOP with election fraud and voter suppression.

sweetapogee

(1,168 posts)
43. agree but for different reasons
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:10 AM
Sep 2012

but this is one of the reasons why I think it is a mistake for the admin to engage in an open feud with Israel this close to the election.

Rustycup

(41 posts)
38. Romney is baiting the President
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:57 AM
Sep 2012
He's attacking the President on his purported refusal to meet with Nuttenyahu


it might be working. The WH today said they stand behind Israel in support of preventing Iran from Nuclear Weapons. I just feel sometimes that the Republicans frame an issue and the WH reacts. The WH sometimes doesn't frame and get in front of it first. I hope we don't decide now to attack Iran. Sanction's work but create more hate. Rachel Maddows last night was saying that a survey was done in which over 60% of Americans do not want a war with Iran. Of course when has any administration listened to the American people when it comes to war. The same survey said 80% of Americans believe it was wrong to go to Iraq. The WH just needs to repeat that story......

What is it with Iran that we have to go to another war? What if China starting saying we should be concerned with the U.S.A. and wanted to attack us? No one considers how a country might feel when you pick them to be your next war victims.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
40. I tend to agree with you. After trying everything else, Romney and his backers aren't
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:58 AM
Sep 2012

above starting WWIII to gain power. In fact, WWIII would fill their coffers nicely and they have scads of fundamentalists of all stripes to keep it going until they can blast each other and the rest of into oblivion.

What I don't get is why the large group of people who aren't extremists in these religions sit there silently and watch their religions tear the world up. Does their belief system allow them the luxury of letting others do the dirty work for them?

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
42. Proceed with optimism
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:59 AM
Sep 2012

There is nothing wrong with any of your cautiousness in this election. Sure money talks. Sure the right has lied and lied and lied. And the right is full of racists and hatred. I fully expect Rmoney to pull something out of his ass in October, and I'm sure it will be dirty (I wont go there) But I'm a numbers man. He's leading is the polls. At this time, I feel, and many others, that he has an 80% chance of winning. This man has done more for this country than any other president in recent history. He's strong in his beliefs and a true humanitarian. I have to believe in the human race to do the right thing. There can't be that many racists and stupid people in this country to overtake him. He did it in 2008, with little experience, and I am confident he'll do it again. He tested the water, has learned from his experiences, and has become a great president. He knows now what has to be done to get us on the right track. I am an optimist and firmly believe he'll win in November, with major upsets in many states. There's no turning back. Lets ride the wave to November and elect President Obama! What can we do ensure it? Everyone you meet, ask who they are voting for. Voice your concerns and opinions. IE: I talked to 5 people yesterday, all under 25, that were unsure as to who to vote for. I'm pretty sure I got 4/5 to vote Obama. It's quite simple. The facts can't lie.

DemKittyNC

(743 posts)
44. As long as we VOTE
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:10 AM
Sep 2012

then I do not think we have anything to worry about. Yes they will try every dirty trick in the book and they will be stealing votes but if we all get out and vote, take other people to the polls that have trouble getting out or don't have a ride then they can't possibly steal every vote. We out number them, I have no doubt about it as long as we get off our asses and VOTE!

Granny M

(1,395 posts)
45. You are not.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:11 AM
Sep 2012

We do need to keep fighting hard until the end. The voter suppression problems make me especially nervous. There could be a hell of a lot of Obama voters turned away at the poles.

 

RevStPatrick

(2,208 posts)
46. In a reality based world, it would be in the bag...
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:13 AM
Sep 2012

But Amercia is not the reality based world.

Personally, and I know this is going to sound totally fucked up, but I feel that if they steal this election, we have to burn the place to ground. If they steal this election, I want to completely destroy this country, from top to bottom. My home, your home and everyone and everything in it. If they manage to steal this election, none of us deserves to survive. I want a revolution, a civil war. Death to Amercia. If they steal this election, I imagine that I will end up in prison for the rest of my life by November 8th or 9th, and I invite the rest of you to join me there.

No, not really.

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
47. It's not in the bag until the EC meets.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:13 AM
Sep 2012

Debates. Middle East. Gas Prices. Hurricane Season. There are a lot of variables. We need to go all out with raising money and ground game -- we especially need to GOTV.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
48. No you are not
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:24 AM
Sep 2012

They already stole 2 elections.
I am tired of hearing from people that he's a shoe-in.
I am tired of hearing on the media that it's a horse race.
Either way, it's not over, till it's over.
We MUST get out people to vote.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
51. Im concerned overconfident voters just wont show up
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:39 AM
Sep 2012

giving the Repukes an advamtage to steal it..We have to keep voters energized,registered,and help them get their ID's

sellitman

(11,606 posts)
52. The only way Obama wins is like last time
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:44 AM
Sep 2012

It must be a landslide. Otherwise they will flip enough voted via GOP owned voting machines to steal the election.

Not feeling so good about it here. It's closer than last time.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
53. the election is over, Obama won
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:45 AM
Sep 2012

there is nothing that changes my mind on that

(even foreign affairs, Romney offers nothing, and in a dire situation foreign wise, America does not switch to a newbie, it has never happened.)Obama is NOT Jimmy Carter.No matter how hard the rightwingrepubteapartylibertarians try to say he is.

and, just saying-
if the Bush's stole 2000 and 2004, well, a bush is not running in 2012, and if Mitt/Ryan got in, Jeb wouldn't be able to run, which would ruin their strategy. So the Bush analogies do not hold in 2012 because they cannot achieve their goals.
(they might want to damage the dems so next time they can say now its time to go to a sane repub, but they would not want to do it now).

kentuck

(111,090 posts)
54. I think the polls will drive the turnout somewhat.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:49 AM
Sep 2012

Romney will do better on election day if he is perceived as "behind" in the polls. If he is even or ahead, many Republicans would sit it out, in my opinion, because they don't really care for him and are looking for an excuse not to vote for him. Just my opinion.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
55. I'm hopeful, but cautious...
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:52 AM
Sep 2012

Anything can happen. I'm not going to breathe until it's called for President Obama (hopefully).

It's not a sure thing and anyone who believes it is, is asking to be let down, IMO. That's what happened in 2004.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
56. Are you working on or volunteering for the Obama campaign or your local Democratic Party?
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:57 AM
Sep 2012

Because posting about being worried is not going to get Obama elected.

I posted an invitation to people who are volunteering to K&R and sign in and got few responses.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1011339

Every DUer should be doing something beyond posting on DU and just talking if we are going to get Obama elected. You can count on lots of dirty tricks between now and November 6.

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
57. It's never in the bag. Even when you have it in the bag, it can get out.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:27 AM
Sep 2012

I expect to see the same 'ole shenanigans with not enough voting machines in dem precincts & lots of stories about disenfranchised (mostly) dem voters, but I also would not be surprised to see an event even more shocking & upsetting that the 2000 SCOTUS steal & the 2004 OH flip.

The repubs, both the tea baggers & regular party, are desperate. The People are starting to see how wacko the TB are, but the repubs can't shake them, off cuz they can't win w/o them. They are slime & will do whatever they have to, to win.

I have plenty of issues with some of this president's policies, but I am voting against bigotry this year. If they win, they will feel their hate has been validated. And of course, the media will hail it as a mandate. A mandate on hate.

Speaking of hate, have I mentioned how much I hate the corporate media?

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)
59. ES&S, formerly Diebold, is counting approximately 80% of American votes.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:42 PM
Sep 2012

20-25% of the votes will be cast directly on computers with no way to even recount, should a judge actually order a recount....

 

RevStPatrick

(2,208 posts)
60. You know what? After the events of the last two days...
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:31 PM
Sep 2012

...and particularly after Mittens' little piece of performance art this morning, I am going to reverse my position on this.

It IS in the bag.
Totally in the bag.
Obama will get reelected.
Easily.
There is no fucking way Mittens will ever win the Oval.
The toady media, the diplomatic corps and the military have just turned against him, and no amount of vote stealing is going to overcome the landslide by which Obama is going to win this.

I would never have said that before, even as recently as this morning.
But now I know, without any doubt, that this smirking robot...



...will never get elected.

You can relax a little now, but of course, make sure that everyone you know votes on November 6th.

lexw

(804 posts)
80. I pretty much agree...
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:09 AM
Sep 2012

but I'm still donating $100, and I'm currently unemployed. Our CEO announced a 50/50: 50% here, 50% overseas and it (and everything else he did) failed. He sold the Southern California segment to a company on the east coast. So, seeing that smirk above is like watching and listening to the fat, stuttering, egocentric CEO that I had the displeasure to work under. $100 won't break me, and I'll gladly give it and more to keep this man out.

Sorry to go off topic a bit.

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
61. I'm highly optimistic but by NO means entirely confident. I will allow myself to feel smug when the
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:13 PM
Sep 2012

270th electoral vote is cast in January 2013. I do not trust their gang to follow ANY rules of decent human behavior.

DemKittyNC

(743 posts)
62. We still
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:19 PM
Sep 2012

need to get out to VOTE! Yes it is probably in the bag especially what happened today but please GOTY and get your friends and family members to VOTE. Unless they want to vote for Rmoney then just ignore them or flatten their tires... hehehe

Redford

(373 posts)
63. After 2000 and 2004, I don't celebrate until I know for sure.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:22 PM
Sep 2012

I knew Obama would win in 2008 but I was still nervous. Living in Texas (red state), I have several friends who do not like Romney but cannot wait to vote for him over Obama. Several of my fellow Christian friends that were saying they would never vote for Romney because he is a mormon are now telling me they do not want 4 more years of Obama. So, I am a bit concerned.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
64. People here are far too cocky
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:25 PM
Sep 2012

I remember a day before the Scott Walker recall election several months back. There was a poll here, and it was like 80-20 that he would be recalled. People are delusional.

With that said, I doubt Obama will lose. Not because Obama is terribly popular, but because Romney is a terrible candidate. In fact, they all were awful in that primary. However, I believe there is no way Republicans lose the House - near zero chance - and and 85% chance they lose the Senate.

markpkessinger

(8,395 posts)
65. I think overconfidence is potentially a HUGE problem . . .
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:28 PM
Sep 2012

. . . I mean, how many of us thought it was inconceivable that Bush could possibly win a second term? I know I certainly did.

cherish44

(2,566 posts)
66. I never underestimate the stupidity of a people who could elected GWB twice
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:29 PM
Sep 2012

Yes I know there are those who contend he "wasn't" elected in but the fact that it was that close means there are a lot of idiots in America that exercise their right to vote.

andym

(5,443 posts)
69. This is election is not in the bag. They have too much money to use.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:01 PM
Sep 2012

Therefore, it is very important to contribute cash and work.

Use Facebook to help get out the vote in November!

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
70. Nothing is ever "in the bag", but Romney is sliding downhill very, very quickly.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:12 PM
Sep 2012

His campaign is incompetant. I know we may not be used to having an opponent being this incompetent, and of course we had the stolen election of 2000. But the Republicans are not omnipotent and they are not gods. Yes, they are very capable of running an awful campaign. Yes, Democrats are capable of running an incredibly good campaign. And that's what's happening. Past elections have made us skeptical, so we are waiting for the other shoe to drop. But that doesn't mean every time we're winning there must be some super-secret nefarious Republican plot lurking just beneath the surface.

Is Romney planning an October surprise? C'mon, of course he is. It doesn't have to be fact based. It just has to be damaging.


No, I don't believe so. Or at least, if he is then I don't believe he or his campaign has the capability of putting together some genius plan to be sprung a week before the election. It's good to stay alert and not take anything for granted. But Romney and his campaign are completely and utterly lost. They are incompetant. If they were anywhere near capable of pulling off a successful "October surprise", they would not be in the hole they're in right now.

The "deluge" started in April. They've tried one line of attack after another and nothing has stuck. Why would it now? Why would the Romney campaign suddenly turn into Mensa after months of totally laughable follies, gaffes, missteps, and amateur mistakes?

Don't take anything for granted. As you say, fight it all the way to November 6. But let's also not be so paranoid that we turn Romney into an evil genius that he isn't.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
72. I'm with you.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:15 PM
Sep 2012

I don't know what the evil KKKarl Rove segment of the GOP has up their sleeves besides voter suppression. They could screw things up still even though we have less than two months until election day.

BattyDem

(11,075 posts)
75. The combination of voter ID, voter purging and Diebold have me very worried.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:52 PM
Sep 2012

The GOP is running the worst candidate ever. The man is hated by at least half the party and they knew this BEFORE he was nominated, yet they nominated him anyway. The party has gone all-out on racism, bigotry and misogyny. They've declared war on unions and working people in general. They don't even try to govern anymore - they just obstruct. They've embraced lying as a way of life and they're proud of it. They have alienated almost every group of voters in the country, with the exception of rich, white guys and RW extremists.

These are not the actions of a party that's trying to win. You don't do things like this if you think you actually have to convince people to vote for you. You do things like this if you believe there's no way you're going to lose.

And that scares the hell out of me.

Rosco T.

(6,496 posts)
77. I will continue to heed the wisdom of Captain Solo... and suggest eveyone do so.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:56 PM
Sep 2012

"Don't get cocky kid"

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
78. You are now ....
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:59 PM
Sep 2012

Poor Mittens REALLY screwed this thing up ....

I haven't been so confident in years ....

Obama now leads in the MALE vote ? ... oh hell ... Game would be over ....

Two months to go ... yeah .... But this race is on a freekin rocket ship right now ..... Obama is riding a huge wave ....

Nice to see it ....

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
79. I'm a worrywart....
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:07 AM
Sep 2012

and it looks like it's in the bag even to me. esp after this Libya thing and the way Romney flubbed it.

NashvilleLefty

(811 posts)
81. Well, I WOULD think it's in the bag except
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:12 AM
Sep 2012

I thought it was in the bag for Kerry for 2004.

Let's not be naive - if it's close they will steal it. Don't forget 2000, or 2004. Until we get rid of their dirty tricks, we will need enough of an over-whelming victory that they can't steal it. Only after that can we over-turn their dirty tricks.

But that takes US! WE have to do it!

BootinUp

(47,144 posts)
82. Probably not
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:15 AM
Sep 2012

I am sure there are plenty of people who over the last 12 years have been conditioned to be ready for anything. I am somewhat surprised at my own feeling of confidence that Obama has this one just about wrapped up. Its premature and all, I just can't help it. I want this election to wash away some of the bad memories I guess.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
83. You have every right to feel that way....I feel it too
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:21 AM
Sep 2012

I remember when Bush stole 2000, and R-Money HAS enough cash to use it to wards stealing this election also. Everyone on this board knows that Republicans would do ANYTHING to win this election. They know this is their last Howrah to try and get power back, because most of all the better Republicans (Those who would have supported Eisenhower) have bailed out..leaving the worst dregs to run their show.

We know they have been attempting to purge democratic voters from the lists. They have in the past methods of hacking the vote. They were even caught dumping votes into a landfill. The Republicans have no honor, no real morals, and are unscrupulous. They are NOT to be trusted, which is why the President is doing what he did last time, having lawyers on the ground at the voting places to make sure people are not harassed, or intimidated.

We need another landslide, like the first time. The Koch brothers, and other jerks, will be pouring tons of cash into bringing the President down. We saw what the swift boaters did to John Kerry. They have a history of being underhanded, and unrelenting when it comes to trying to get their way. We must be and always remain vigilant.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
84. you most certainly are not
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:27 AM
Sep 2012

I'm a lot more confident than I was a few months ago but we've got a long way to go and congressional and senate races that are in jeopardy as well.

Gold Metal Flake

(13,805 posts)
85. Down Ticket Elections.
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:28 AM
Sep 2012

It's NOT in the bag, if you consider the bag to also contain the makings of as many Democratic majorities as possible. Willard may be toast but there is taking back the House. There is the defense of the Senate. There are state and local elections. I know you know this, I'm just sayin'.

Zookeeper

(6,536 posts)
87. Apparently, the Rethugs can't win a Presidential election..
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 01:41 AM
Sep 2012

without cheating and there's no indication that they've abandoned the practice; so, I don't take anything for granted.

spin

(17,493 posts)
88. Never underestimate your opponent. ...
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 03:37 AM
Sep 2012

Romney is a weak candidate but that could change if he manages by some miracle to win the debates.

Also there is no way to predict events in the near future. A coordinated terror attack against our embassies that results in more deaths or a terrorist attack here in the states might make a difference.

Al-Qaeda has good reason to hate Obama because he was far more effective at damaging their organization than Bush the Younger was. Obama DID get Osama and many other leaders of Al-Queda.

Cha

(297,196 posts)
90. No way do I think it's in the bag.
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 04:08 AM
Sep 2012

I'm on pins and needles this whole time. Romney and the republicons are capable of doing anything to steal this election..be it Voter Suppression, tampering with voting machines, purging, millions of $$$$$ in Smear Ads, and yes the ol October surprise.

Too bad they have such a deplorable sick fuck to run..it could have been so much easier for them.

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