AOC throws Biden under the bus.

[RandySF]

New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Tuesday night said the Democratic Party should discuss the recent sexual assault allegation against Joe Biden, a charge the presumptive nominee's campaign has denied.

On Tuesday evening in an online conversation with The Wing, a networking and community space for women, a questioner asked Ocasio-Cortez about the accusation recently leveled against Biden by Tara Reade, who worked for him when he was a Delaware senator in the 1990s. The questioner opposes President Trump's reelection, but also "really resent[s] the fact that the other choice is someone who has a really long history of being creepy to women."

Ocasio-Cortez responded, "What you're voicing is so legitimate and real. That's why I find this kind of silencing of all dissent to be a form of gaslighting."

She went on to say, "I think it's legitimate to talk about these things. And if we want, if we again want to have integrity, you can't say, you know — both believe women, support all of this, until it inconveniences you, until it inconveniences us."



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-biden-its-legitimate-to-talk-about-allegations/

[greenjar_01]

1. I remember a kid named Danny F. who went to my junior high school

He was a fucking instigator, forever talking trying to get people into fights. One day, he was instigating again, and one of the kids he was trying to get to fight another kid turned around and kicked the living shit out of him in the cafeteria. Mr. Rosenberg, the gym teacher/lunch leader guy had to pull the guy off him.

Remember it to this day. There was a justice to it, I have to say.

[ananda]

84. When I first read that article about it..

.. it came across to me as a hit piece
with very convenient timing for you know who.

Now, since the whole mess has come out with
more details, I think it is definitely an attempt
to throw some shit out and see if it will stick.

It won't. Biden has always come across as a
decent person.

[tirebiter]

2. Metoo has geotten flask for not going with Reade

Link to tweet

[RandySF]

4. She once claimed that Putin hit on her.

Does that not count for something?

[JI7]

6. the ones attacking metoo movement are mostly bitter misogynist scumbags

who would rather see Trump win than Biden (or any other democrat) .

[dalton99a]

3. We're facing a mortal enemy. 26,064 Americans are dead. Our economy is in the toilet.

We don't need this shit.

[SouthernCal_Dem]

7. +1000

[MustLoveBeagles]

18. That's it in a nutshell

[Cha]

34. Tara Reade knows it's a felony to file a false police report..

She didn't name the one she's accusing all over twitter in her police report..

In two recent interviews with The Associated Press, Tara Reade alleged the assault occurred in the basement of a Capitol Hill office building in the spring of 1993. She filed a police report in Washington on Thursday saying she was the victim of a sexual assault by an unnamed person in 1993, a copy of which was obtained by the AP.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213275403

[SamBob]

35. Tara Reade knows it's a felony to file a false police report..

I seriously think it has something to do with her ex husband and whatever she wrote back 2009 about it all. I think it was why she had quit the campaign job for Biden. Also why I think she won't name Biden as the man who sexually assaulted her. She was being abused (possibly) by someone else.

[brush]

42. I think she just lost her re-election. How stupid can you get.

[Cha]

49. Really. Because she's just going along with

those like Brie J Gray who were pushing to bring down Biden. It didn't work because there was nothing there.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Tara Reade knows it's a felony to file a false police report,

In two recent interviews with The Associated Press, Tara Reade alleged the assault occurred in the basement of a Capitol Hill office building in the spring of 1993. She filed a police report in Washington on Thursday saying she was the victim of a sexual assault by an unnamed person in 1993, a copy of which was obtained by the AP.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213275403

This happened to Brie J Gray.. she said she wasn't going to support Biden..

Link to tweet

[scrabblequeen40]

73. +1000

[agingdem]

13. I would really love it

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if AOC would shut up, listen, and learn...the grande dame of politics Nancy Pelosi is there to mentor AOC... and to be honest I don't give a damn about Reade and her ever evolving story...the objective is to get trump out of the White House and into handcuffs...what is it about this plague and Trump's malicious ignorance AOC doesn't get?

[brush]

45. Too late. She's got a strong challenger and she just gave her all the...

ammo she needs to beat AOC. Imagine, trying to weaken your party's nominee after Sanders' plea to get behind Biden, President Obama endorsing him, and our overwhelming need to defeat the worse president in history and she does this.

I thought she was learning after seemingly distancing herself from Sanders after the Rogan endorsement but she hasn't learned a thing.

Sorry, but she's a one-term flash-in-the-pan.

[smirkymonkey]

118. +1000

I really just wish she would just gain a little humility, listen and learn from those more experienced than her. She just doesn't know when to keep her big mouth shut. Men aren't the only ones with outsize egos.

[trueblue2007]

136. I really just wish she would just gain a little humility, listen and learn AND GROW THE HELL UP

SHE ACTS LIKE A 15 YEAR OLD GIRL. WHY does she act so immature?

[smirkymonkey]

139. She is full of ego.

It is not a good quality, no matter what side of the fence you are on.

[MFGsunny]

120. This! n/t

[uponit7771]

8. Biden has already made a statement on the issue, what more is she wanting? MeToo wasn't guilty as

... charged but the charge would be taken seriously where before it was not.

[Hortensis]

9. Ocasio is trying to draw Sanders' supporters who

feel he's left them. The lure of power is understandable.

But this is a turning point in the battle to rescue our nation, and in promoting this attack on our future nominee she's chosen to range effectively with the Republicans and foreign nations against us.

So be it. She's big funded now, so she'll be this election's Jill Stein and if she survives, as expected, her district will replace her in 2022.

[sfstaxprep]

10. At This Point Does It Really Matter?

Regardless of what Joe may or may not have done, I'm still planning on voting for him.

Short of him going on a mass killing spree, I doubt I'll change my mind.

[Hekate]

28. It matters because they are Swiftboating Joe Biden. If we don't fight back hard, the story festers..

...and metastasizes.

Remember when it happened to Senator John Kerry? He was a genuine war hero, wounded in action, who commanded a "Swiftboat" in the Vietnam War. By the time the GOP was done with him, they had managed to search under every rock until they found a couple of disgruntled vets who were willing to lie about his record, and they painted Senator Kerry as a coward who lied about his service and lied about his documented wounds.

That is the meaning of "Swiftboating." Take something good and honorable about a person -- in the present case VP Biden's unblemished reputation as a devoted family man -- and find some lowlife willing to lie and smear until he's destroyed.

That's what's going on here. As far as I am concerned Ms Ocasio-Cortez can go to hell. I am done with her.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

38. Very well summarized what this is all about ANND.....

Swift boating also had advantage for Bush as one of his weaknesses was that he was a “fortunate son” chicken hawk who was conducting an illegal immoral war running against a war hero.

Similar with Trump, the leering sexual predator who is on receiving end of many credible accusations of sexual assault. He turns the tables with this garbage and helped by Bernie supporters in his quest.

[arthritisR_US]

39. 1M!

[brush]

48. This coming from someone in our own party amounts to treachery to me.

She just cut her own throat and now her opponent is going to get all kinds of support, including dollars from me.

With a killer in the WH and she tries to weaken our nominee.

Un-fucking-believable.

[smirkymonkey]

121. The thing is, we don't give a shit this time. We know what their game is and we aren't going to fall

for it again. NOBODY is worse than Trump. Whatever Biden has done, whatever his son might have done, it could not possibly be worse than what Trump and his family have done and therefore does not matter in this race. The purity test is off the table this time.

I for one, do not believe the rumors, and even if I did, I still would not miss the opportunity to vote for whomever is opposing Donald Trump. I would vote for Satan himself to get rid of Trump. We can not go on the defensive on this or anything else.

If anything, maybe we should own it, say "so what" and then say "Can it possibly be any worse than what Donald Trump has done?" and go on to list the accusations against him. The worst thing we do is to try to defend ourselves against their accusations.

We need to tell them to fuck off regularly and laugh in the face or their accusations.

[TexasTowelie]

11. I'm donating to AOC's primary opponent. nt

[SiliconValley_Dem]

20. Great idea

[SiliconValley_Dem]

21. This person looks like strongest challenger

https://michellecc2020.com/?gclid=CjwKCAjwvtX0BRAFEiwAGWJyZE1qZPhwBROkV_2KFcIU0-spKeB08AZJSr4FkW2gwDutqTMu0yRhEhoCt0UQAvD_BwE

[womanofthehills]

31. OMG - Michelle wrote a book claiming we need less government

She has support from some conservative groups.

[SheltieLover]

65. That is what I have read!

I have to wonder what AOC's agenda REALLY is! 🤬

[still_one]

70. She is an extreme right winger. I remmeber her on CNBC trashing President

Obama

This is not the candidate we want to replace AOC

From my perspective either of these two candidates would be far better choices


Jose Velazquez
Badrun Khan

[honest.abe]

71. She is not extreme. She has endorsed Joe Biden for President.

Link to tweet

[still_one]

76. I used to listen to her bullshit on CNBC. She is a Larry Kudlow supply sider, whose positions

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are slanted to the right

That she endorses Joe Biden is not evidence that she is not extreme. She named her favorite president as Ronald Reagan, and along with her friend Larry Kudlow are supply siders

She is intelligent, and has a lot of political savey.

Bill Kristol is voting for Biden, that doesn't change Kristol's right wing politics, and the same goes for other republicans

If I had to choose between AOC or MCC, I probably would choose MCC. I do not like either one. From my perspective AOC is too far to the left, and MCC is too far to the right. However, the anti-Democratic party rhetoric that AOC has engaged in, would push me toward MCC

[honest.abe]

85. "If I had to choose between AOC or MCC, I probably would choose MCC."

Yes, that is my point. Lesser of two evils at this point.

[still_one]

86. We pretty much on the same page Abe

[womanofthehills]

93. So you would choose a women who wants to do away with Social Security, Medicare, the Dept of Labor,

Dept of Education and the Dept of Congress -

You must like those Ayn Rand types of women.

[honest.abe]

94. Do you have link to what you are talking about?

[Celerity]

109. CNBC's Caruso-Cabrera: Eliminate Departments Of Labor, Commerce, Education And Privatize Social Sec

https://crooksandliars.com/heather/cnbcs-caruso-cabrera-eliminate-departments

CNBC anchor Michelle Caruso-Cabrera visited the set of Morning Joe to push her new book You Know I'm Right and apparently we've got another Ayn Rand fan working for CNBC. After saying that the auto companies should have been allowed to fail, presumably to get rid of those pesky over paid union workers, Mike Barnicle asks her if she thinks we're going to have to raise taxes to pay our deficit.

Cabrera of course doesn't think we should raise taxes and says that instead we should cut spending. Leslie Stahl asks her where. She replies:
over paid union workers, Mike Barnicle asks her if she thinks we're going to have to raise taxes to pay our deficit.

Cabrera of course doesn't think we should raise taxes and says that instead we should cut spending. Leslie Stahl asks her where. She replies:
Easy stuff; you get rid of the Department of Labor, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Education. You can get rid of all of those. They're not necessary. You don't need that stuff done at the federal level.

But the real issue, let's talk about it – Social Security and Medicare, right? We have over promised so much that someday if we don't do something, we're going to be Greece. We're on the path to that. So what you do right now is you tell young people instead of saving that Social Security and giving it to the government, you're going to have a personal account, and that's going to be your retirement. And in the mean time, as you get closer to retirement, you're going to have to live on that money instead, because...

snip


Fucks Snooz is pushing her

https://www.foxnews.com/media/caruso-cabrera-aoc-socialism-dem-primary (sorry for the link but it for illustrative purposes)

Former CNBC anchor Michelle Caruso-Cabrera is hoping to knock Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., out in this year's primary, as she runs to take New York's 14th congressional district.

A registered Democrat and descendant of Cuban immigrants, Caruso-Cabrera has been a fierce critic of socialism and advocate for free markets. According to CNBC, she filed to run late Monday.

Her 2010 book -- titled "You Know I'm Right: More Prosperity, Less Government" -- calls out both parties for ignoring "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" Americans like herself.

She has praised former President Reagan's economic policy and called for limited government, likely putting her at odds with Ocasio-Cortez's large-scale plans like the "Green New Deal." Ocasio-Cortez, who supports "democratic socialism," has faced other challengers for 2020, but Caruso-Cabrera seemed to be the most prominent to announce. Her website describes the race as "MCC vs. AOC," referring to the initials commonly used to describe Ocasio-Cortez.

snip


she is backed by the primarily RW US Chamber of Congress

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dccc-alexandria-ocasio-cortez_n_5e9758b0c5b682e0de5a253a?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004

She has also landed the influential endorsement of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a deep-pocketed front group for big business that disproportionately supports Republicans.

snip


Chamber of Commerce backs AOC's primary challenger

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/09/chamber-commerce-aoc-primary-challenger-175917

The traditionally conservative U.S. Chamber of Commerce is planning to endorse a primary challenger to progressive icon Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a move that represents a dramatic intervention in a Democratic race.

The influential organization typically supports Republican candidates who are closely aligned with the business community. But the Chamber has decided to help Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, a former CNBC anchor who is waging an underdog challenge to Ocasio-Cortez. The freshman New York City congresswoman is perhaps the most prominent liberal in the House.

snip

[honest.abe]

126. Never mind. AOC has now endorsed Biden.

I forgive her ill-advised comments.

[Celerity]

127. yes, (and this is not directed at you) I tried to point out that this was an day plus old article

and some came to it not realising that she had endorsed Biden after this.

cheers

[honest.abe]

129. Yep. Thanks for the clarification.

[The Magistrate]

132. Some Day, Ma'am

People will learn not to ask if there's a link for that where you can see....

It is damned impressive.

Be well, and stay safe!



"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."

[Celerity]

134. The CBS article is from Tuesday, the same day as AOC said it on The Wing, she endorsed Biden on Wed

from the article

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Tuesday night said the Democratic Party

the article was updated later, after having been put up Tuesday night (US time, but early Wednesday for me, and I try to refer to US time here, as the vast majority of posters are on one of the 7 US time zones)

[DFW]

137. I do not forgive them

I want her reminded as often as possible what she said, and maybe she will start thinking before running her mouth off. She is intelligent, but so are Mitch McConnell and Dick Cheney. Intelligent with no common sense, or evil intentions, doesn't help any of us. If she would combine her intelligence with some common sense, she could do some real good. If she won't, she'll do no good.

[betsuni]

138. +1

[Blue_true]

124. Take a look at Jose Velazquez, the only progressive in that race and

a true community servant.

Let's reward a person that has kept his head down and worked to make people's lives better.

[theaocp]

43. She's a conservative.

Chamber of Commerce loves her. I'm sticking with AOC.

[womanofthehills]

46. And her favorite President is Ronald Regan.

[honest.abe]

72. Michelle has endorsed Biden. AOC has not.

Link to tweet

I will take Michelle.

[still_one]

77. Bill Kristol has endorsed Joe Biden also. All that means is he is less crazy then

trump

I don't like AOC or MCC. There are other Democrats in that race which I find more attractive.

If I had to choose between AOC or MCC, I probably would choose MCC. I do not like either one. From my perspective AOC is too far to the left, and MCC is too far to the right. However, the anti-Democratic party rhetoric that AOC has engaged in, would push me toward MCC

Definitely going to be interesting

However, I am on the west coast, so it is up to the people in that district.

[honest.abe]

89. Yes, agreed.

AOC is dangerous if she keeps this up. Her comments will be used by the right to bash Biden. I know MCC is too far right but she is less dangerous than AOC at this point. If AOC walks back her comments and endorses Biden then that changes everything.

[still_one]

91. You are right. This election is too important for divisionary BS.

[Dem4Life1102]

79. She's a conservative.

Read her book: https://www.amazon.com/You-Know-Right-Prosperity-Government-ebook/dp/B003UYUSB4/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Michelle+Caruso-Cabrera&qid=1586958530&sr=8-1

[honest.abe]

96. According to your link.. "fiscally conservative, socially liberal".

Like many moderates in this country.

[Dem4Life1102]

97. She's an anti-government conservative

[honest.abe]

98. Doesnt matter now. AOC came to her senses and just endorsed Biden.

I forgive her and fully support her now.

[theaocp]

99. Nice to see your flexibility. LMAO n/t

[honest.abe]

100. Not flexible at all. Either you support Biden or you support Trump.

AOC finally figured that out.

[theaocp]

102. IKR? Based on this statement, you turn on a dime and now support her.

That's flimsy. Now all y'all can keep whispering about how she had a talkin-to, like the disobedient child y'all see her as. Peu importe. She has y'all's "support" until you decide she's not sufficiently genuflecting again. She's still got a primary challenger to salivate over. Nummy!

[honest.abe]

103. I like AOC but she needs to grow up politically.

Comments like this show she is not quite ready for prime time. I suspect one day she will be one of the leaders of our party if she can keep it real and quit making rookie mistakes.

[Blue_true]

123. NO WAY!!!! The only progressive in that race is Jose Velazquez.

Caruso-Cabrera is coming at AOC completely from the right.

[Blue_true]

122. Jose Velazquez is the true progressive in that race.

His campaign can use the money.

[betsuni]

12. "My job is to push and push back against everyone. To push back against the Republican Party and

the Democratic Party."

Oh, it's the new "I've got news for the Republican establishment. I've got news for the Democratic establishment. They can't stop us."

[Cha]

15. Didn't she see how well that worked out for BS?

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

24. "Oh, God. In any other country Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party, but in America

we are. ... We're not allowed to talk about anything wrong the Democratic Party does."

[Cha]

27. Awwww...

BS talked about it for YEARS and he got Beaten in the Primary by Dems!

Oh those Dems.. Dems Dems Dems..!

Joe Biden Won in South Carolina, North Carolina, Florida, Arkansas, Alabama, Idaho, Illinois, Arizona, Michigan, Maine, Massachusetts, Washington, Virginia,& Minnesota.. & Wisconsin..

Biden builds coalitions.. all kinds of people voted for him.. the same who voted for the Dems who were responsible for the 2018 House Victory. The reasons we've had a fighting chance to not be overtaken by complete fascism.

Take the South Carolina primary on Feb. 29, which Biden won, or the 10 of 14 states he captured on Super Tuesday: In all, he appealed to the same coalitions that boosted Democrats so strongly in the 2018 midterm elections, turning out large numbers of suburban voters, while maintaining support from longstanding elements of the Democratic coalition, particularly African American voters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/why-did-bernie-sanders-drop-out-progressive-majority-he-needed-ncna11795

[betsuni]

33. Going down with the sinking Both Sides ship when even Bernie jumped in the lifeboat.

That's a shame.

[Cha]

37. Yeah, it seems like she's on

Brie Joy Gray's side now.. his former press sec..

Link to tweet

No word yet on Sirota's fate..

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

101. Wow

So it's all about her.

[Cha]

108. shocking.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

22. Not gonna happen. She needs to be beat in primary

https://michellecc2020.com/?gclid=CjwKCAjwvtX0BRAFEiwAGWJyZE1qZPhwBROkV_2KFcIU0-spKeB08AZJSr4FkW2gwDutqTMu0yRhEhoCt0UQAvD_BwE

[womanofthehills]

88. "CNBC's Caruso-Cabrera: Eliminate Departments Of Labor, Commerce, Education

(Sounds like another Trump or Ann Rand) - This is an old interview, but jeez..............)

CNBC anchor Michelle Caruso-Cabrera visited the set of Morning Joe to push her new book You Know I'm Right and apparently we've got another Ayn Rand fan working for CNBC. After saying that the auto companies should have been allowed to fail, presumably to get rid of those pesky over paid union workers, Mike Barnicle asks her if she thinks we're going to have to raise taxes to pay our deficit.

Cabrera of course doesn't think we should raise taxes and says that instead we should cut spending. Leslie Stahl asks her where. She replies:
over paid union workers, Mike Barnicle asks her if she thinks we're going to have to raise taxes to pay our deficit.

Cabrera of course doesn't think we should raise taxes and says that instead we should cut spending. Leslie Stahl asks her where. She replies:
Easy stuff; you get rid of the Department of Labor, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Education. You can get rid of all of those. They're not necessary. You don't need that stuff done at the federal level.

But the real issue, let's talk about it – Social Security and Medicare, right? We have over promised so much that someday if we don't do something, we're going to be Greece. We're on the path to that. So what you do right now is you tell young people instead of saving that Social Security and giving it to the government, you're going to have a personal account, and that's going to be your retirement. And in the mean time, as you get closer to retirement, you're going to have to live on that money instead, because...

https://crooksandliars.com/heather/cnbcs-caruso-cabrera-eliminate-departments

[Celerity]

106. +100000

[Celerity]

105. you are pushing a Republican plant

Fucks Snooz is pushing her

https://www.foxnews.com/media/caruso-cabrera-aoc-socialism-dem-primary (sorry for the link but it for illustrative purposes)

Former CNBC anchor Michelle Caruso-Cabrera is hoping to knock Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., out in this year's primary, as she runs to take New York's 14th congressional district.

A registered Democrat and descendant of Cuban immigrants, Caruso-Cabrera has been a fierce critic of socialism and advocate for free markets. According to CNBC, she filed to run late Monday.

Her 2010 book -- titled "You Know I'm Right: More Prosperity, Less Government" -- calls out both parties for ignoring "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" Americans like herself.

She has praised former President Reagan's economic policy and called for limited government, likely putting her at odds with Ocasio-Cortez's large-scale plans like the "Green New Deal." Ocasio-Cortez, who supports "democratic socialism," has faced other challengers for 2020, but Caruso-Cabrera seemed to be the most prominent to announce. Her website describes the race as "MCC vs. AOC," referring to the initials commonly used to describe Ocasio-Cortez.

snip


she is backed by the primarily RW US Chamber of Congress

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dccc-alexandria-ocasio-cortez_n_5e9758b0c5b682e0de5a253a?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004

She has also landed the influential endorsement of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a deep-pocketed front group for big business that disproportionately supports Republicans.

snip


Chamber of Commerce backs AOC's primary challenger

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/09/chamber-commerce-aoc-primary-challenger-175917

The traditionally conservative U.S. Chamber of Commerce is planning to endorse a primary challenger to progressive icon Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a move that represents a dramatic intervention in a Democratic race.

The influential organization typically supports Republican candidates who are closely aligned with the business community. But the Chamber has decided to help Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, a former CNBC anchor who is waging an underdog challenge to Ocasio-Cortez. The freshman New York City congresswoman is perhaps the most prominent liberal in the House.

snip

[SiliconValley_Dem]

116. Not trying to...just highlighting the one with most chance to unseat AOC

And I agree she is not a good option. Unless there is grass roots support for one of the other primary contenders (which I’ve not seen in news reports) we’re probably looking at easy primary and general election victory for her.

[Celerity]

117. Good, I like AOC, I hope she coasts to victory nt

[Sewa]

29. Unfortunately she will still have a platform

Wouldn’t be surprised if she got a job at CNN if she lost.

[RandiFan1290]

66. You're not going to be allowed to support the republicon challenger on DU

Welcome back to DU

[HarlanPepper]

75. Looks like that posters been here since 2016

That dig is as played out as Randi Rhodes’ career.

I know I know “Welcome back to DU.”

[RandiFan1290]

140. Buh bye

[Cha]

16. Here she's saying "the Biden campaign did not reach out to her.."

Link to tweet

[brer cat]

55. I recall her saying that she and Biden would be in different

political parties in another nation. Maybe Joe thinks she doesn't fit in his big tent.

Whatever, it is supreme arrogance for her to publicly complain that he hasn't reached out to her.

[Cha]

56. And..AOC asserting that Biden didn't win because of his agenda is truly a dismissive slap in the ..

face to all of us who voted for him, including an overwhelming number of black voters.

She's definitely looking for attention in all the wrong places, imo.

It's tiring.. we're finally coming together to beat trump and this smear pops up that's already been discredited.

Aloha, brer~StaySafe!

[PSPS]

17. New York Times' radio show "The Daily" did a piece on these allegations today

Their reporter, Lisa Lerer, has been looking into this for a long time including multiple lengthy interviews with Reade and many others. The allegations seem to fall apart under scrutiny.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/podcasts/the-daily/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation.html

[Cha]

23. Thank you.. and if AOC bothered to investigate she would

see that, too.

[ismnotwasm]

19. Bravenewsblog has an excellent article on this

I am a rape survivor who doesn’t believe Tara Reade. Yet.
Apparently, my skepticism about a woman with a conveniently escalating, and ever changing narrative means I’m the lowest of the low, and as such need to be constantly inundated on social media with men attacking me and proclaiming me a supporter of rape. I am supposed to bow down to these men and ignore my gut feeling that Tara Reade doesn’t belong grouped in with the rest of us wretched survivors of rape. Nobody cares to ask why I feel distaste for the narrative Tara recounts, why her many changes leave me giving her story the side-eye, or why I just don’t feel like I owe her anything more than she’s already gotten. See, I believed Tara the first time.
From The Union:
Reade said Biden’s senior staff protected the senator. She was considered a distraction. Reade said she didn’t consider the acts toward her sexualization. She instead compared her experience to being a lamp.
Her story and the stories of the other women matched, there was a pattern of Biden being overly “affectionate” to the point where he crossed a line, invaded personal space, and touched women inappropriately, though not sexually. I’ve been waiting for someone else to speak out, someone to say #MeToo, because Lord knows a sexual predator never strikes just the one time. That is not how things go. As of yet, we have no new or old victims telling a story of being pushed against the wall and assaulted, we have no real corroboration, and what little we do have that appears to back her up, comes from unknown or anonymous sources. Or sources that take several days to remember the most important part: The Assault.

https://bravenewsblog.com/2020/04/13/im-completely-skeptical-about-tara-reade/

[JI7]

26. the whole thing is mostly being pushed by a bunch of fucked up men

to attack women who don't support their bs .

bunch of deranged fucked up assholes.

[Cha]

30. Thank you for that, ismnotwasm.

[BlueLucy]

25. It's a "on it's face ovious" a smear campaign.

The allegation has massive red flags. No honest person would take it serious.

[Cha]

32. TR Then-"My old Boss speaks the truth.." Now.. "Tic Toc..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Tara Reade knows it's a felony to file a false police report,

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213275403

[helpisontheway]

36. Hope she loses her seat. Nt

[DFW]

40. It's legitimate to call Joe Biden " someone who has a really long history of being creepy to women?"

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If that is legitimate in AOC's eyes, then she's lost her perspective. Yes, she "only" said, "it's legitimate to talk about these things." But she was referring directly to the "creepy" quote, so there is no more ambiguity left to squirm through. No "that's not what I meant" will not suffice. Yes, it IS obvious what she meant. If this is some kind of ploy to get Biden to kiss her ass where he won't kiss Omar's, I doubt it will work. If Biden is elected and Pelosi remains Speaker, AOC will have to join the Jill Stein crowd if she keeps this up.

Why does someone with so much innate political skill insist on attacking her own side before they have won the battle? If she is not working for the Republicans--and I can't imagine she is--then she must think this will endear her to some faction that will be useful to her in the future. She's smart enough to see that Reade's story has more inconsistencies than a Trump press conference, so giving support to someone who publicly claims that Joe Biden has "a really long history of being creepy to women" must have SOME benefit in her eyes. I'd be really curious to know what she thinks that benefit is. I wouldn't want to be in her position if she starts in with that line with Jill Biden in the room, that's for sure.

[Cha]

41. Thank you for that, DFW.. good point about Mama Tiger

Dr Jill Biden.

[SamBob]

44. It's legitimate to call Joe Biden " someone who has a really long history of being creepy to women?"

What would be worse is if she is getting paid to do all of this.
Or she truly just wants attention.

[DFW]

51. I don't think AOC is for sale

I think you are closer to the mark with option #2.

[SamBob]

131. yeah

I'm leaning more towards that option as well.
I know girls who have done this kind of garbage to people before. (high school days... very dramatic, but i tried my hardest to stay out of it.) but i would hear about one day they go around telling their friends they got raped by someone. then it comes back she lied, and everyone was mad at her.

It happens. way too often.

[greyl]

47. Now is when the right side should be rowing, so to speak, to turn things port side. nt

[Gothmog]

50. Who cares what this freshman member of the house thinks?

I have trouble caring about what AOC thinks

[greyl]

52. Knock Down The House is a must see, however.

https://www.netflix.com/watch/81080637

[Fozzledick]

53. Roger Stone is still on the loose!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213288774

[scardycat]

54. AOC is a pain in the ass....seriously!! n/t

[ucrdem]

57. If she had any sense she'd be ashamed of flogging Trump talking points.

But why should 2020 be different than 2016? The players are in place and primed to conduct their r@tf#ck campaign to re-elect Trump, same as last time.

Won't work, though. All the king's horses etc. Joe can nap from now until November and he'll take it in a landslide. He'll work his @ss off anyway of course but you heard it here first!

[DeminPennswoods]

58. We should not delude ourselves into thinking this will

all go away or succumb to fact-based arguments. Have we forgotten Hillary's emails and their numerous predecessors?

Dislike AOC all you want, but she merely pointed out the same dilemna Dems had with the allegations against Franken.

[DFW]

59. It will never go away as long as some people think they can profit from it

It will also never go away as long as some people manage to orchestrate offenses out of thin air, and convince others to jump on the bandwagon to "get" someone. We should expect this in an election year--from Republicans. This is their level of discourse.

AOC's offense, for lack of a better term here, was not merely pointing out a dilemma, but rather endorsing "THE FACT that the other choice is someone who has a really long history of being creepy to women" as "so legitimate and real." Not only is that NOT a fact, it is a defamatory piece of fiction. Joe Biden's "really long history of being creepy to women" is NOT real, and therefore NOT legitimate.

[Cha]

61. It's already discredited.. she's smearing Joe Biden the same

way Brie J Gray was during the Primary to help her candidate. It didn't work then and it's not working now.

She's only helping trump and his toadies like mcconnell and barr.

If she bothered to investigate it she would know that.

[DeminPennswoods]

92. But that doesn't matter!

Benghazi was discredited. "Hillary's emails" was discredited. Seth Rich being murdered for some reason other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time was discredited. The list is endless, or so it seems.

Today's republicans don't play nice or by any rules of political decorum. These allegations will show up in ads on fscebook and other social media and will be reinforced by Fox News and the rw enablers.

In 2016, Trump brought 3 of Bill Clinton's accusers to one of his debates with Hillary. Think the same playbook won't be dragged out for Biden?

[Cha]

104. YES IT DOES MATTTER.. AOC IS WRONG.

[DeminPennswoods]

110. My point is that the GOP will use this

accusation to their maximum advantage regardless. You don't think Dems should discuss it if for no other reason than to be prepared for when it's inevitably brought up in the Trump campaign or by a debate moderator? I understand you are a long time Biden supporter, but it's important for Dems to be ready and talking about it now isn't a bad way to innoculate Biden.

[Cha]

111. Yeah, and she's only helping them.

[Hekate]

125. It does matter. The GOP blood sport ratfckers are relentless, & Hillary is not POTUS.

Fight them tooth and claw.

[NurseJackie]

60. She's trying to kneecap Biden... there are no two ways about it.

This is RW propaganda. This serves no good purpose other than to smear our party's nominee. She needs to stop.

[DeterDeter]

62. Disappointing from her.

The Biden camp has denied this, but also has encouraged that the press investigate it. The AP, Salon, NYT, the AP, and NBC news have all released articles this week and it’s clear from their investigations that (far from ignoring the story because it is inconvenient), that they all HAVE been digging into this quite thoroughly, and have been unable to corroborate due to holes, contradictions, and instances of the accuser or people who she has pointed to as being able to validate the story refusing to follow up with the reporters. It also does not help that the woman had come forward last year and explicitly said that it wasn’t sexual, more that she felt that she was “treated as a lamp” by his staff when she worked for him, and claiming that Biden probably didn’t even know why she was fired (nor does it help that she filed a police report last week and did not reference Biden). “Believe women” means treat the allegations as legitimate and investigating rather than dismissing out of hand, not believe as a default, so I don’t appreciate AOC weaponizing it that way. I like AOC, but this aint it. Remember Larry Sinclair?

Furthermore, I’m not sure why she is bemoaning the fact that the diverse field whittled down when she also supported an old white guy (don’t ask me, I also supported an old white guy). Biden has committed to choosing a woman VP (and I think that it’s going to be a woman of color), and appointing a woman supreme justice of color, so it’s not going to be just a replay of “an old movie” as she suggests.

[MustLoveBeagles]

130. I like her too but

I like her too but I think she sticks her foot in her mouth quite a bit. What I'm hoping is that this is due to overzealousness and inexperience on her part. She needs to follow the advice Whoopi Goldberg gave her a while back which is to sit down, listen and learn. I think she's very bright and shows a lot of promise as a politician. I don't want her career to flame out before it's really begun.

[Mike Nelson]

63. Yikes!

... the media approached this story with hesitation; obviously, their sources were signaling it wasn't that credible. AOC's giving it attention will make it a bigger story, especially for Trump TV and their media companions. They can get right into the story by citing her alarm, bypassing their own fact-checking.

[secondwind]

64. Omg, does she not know that Biden's name was never mentioned

in the complaint?

[SheltieLover]

67. Vindictive!

In AOC's egocentric little mind, Joe failed to reach out to her. Remember her complaint of a few days ago?

Now think back to photos of AOC when she hits someone with a zinger in public. That snotty little, self-satisfied smirk.

And now this!

Anyone else reminded of the mean girls in middle school?

She also has supported ousting long-term Dem public servants. While there is often room for improvement with the existing structure, why not throw your weight, or big mouth in this case, behind DEM candidates fighting the REAL enemy. But then, I guess reality is subjective & AOC's "enemy" is not necessarily that of the Dem party.

Her opponent is said to be backed by big money conservative groups!

It would be wonderful if the DNC could get a REAL Dem to primary her. I have no knowledge of how this all works, deadlines & such, but this snotty vindictive, egocentric little middle school mentality needs to GO!

[still_one]

68. This isn't the first time she has spoken out of ignorance, and it won't be the last

https://medium.com/eddiekrassenstein/evidence-casts-doubt-on-tara-reades-sexual-assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460

[honest.abe]

69. I really dont get what her game plan is.

What benefit could this possible have to her or the progressive cause or to anyone else except Trump and the GOP?

[Mr. Ected]

74. She put the cause in front of the bigger picture

She will not apply a political filter to a cause that is neither red nor blue.

Her problem is the same as Kirstin Gillibrand's: the unproven (and dubious) allegation of sexual abuse rises to justification to apply political force. in doing so, she diminishes the cause and the party, a ridiculously unnecessary and costly mistake.

We love AOC when she tears into the GOP. She's a zealot. But she's also a loose end, a live wire, and an outspoken crusader firing away indiscriminately at those she perceives as violators. At a time when party unity matters more than any individual cause, she undermined her party. If we can't take control of the country, her pet causes will assuredly be flushed down the drain before she even launches them.

That's the big picture.

[Dem4Life1102]

78. Sounds like she was asked a gotcha question

and was damned no matter how she answered.

[Cha]

113. Not really.. she didn't have to answer like that.

And, yes I know.. she's now endorsing Joe Biden.

[Dem4Life1102]

114. How should she have answered?

Her response sounds fairly neutral.

[Cha]

115. If she had done her homework she would

have known that it was already "discussed" and debunked.

Like the title of the OP says..

AOC throws Biden under the bus

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13288567

Glad she so quickly changed.. I mean if she's endorsing him she doesn't believe those smears from Tara Reade, right?

[rgbecker]

80. The hate on the DU for Democratic Party members is astounding.

In this case, for a party super delegate, no less. I guess we don't need Fox news anymore to do the dirty work of tearing down our party.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

82. AOC goes after Pelosi and WE hate the Democratic Party!?

[George II]

83. So while she's tearing down our Presidential nominee you're upset because people are criticizing....

....her.

You realize that one of her several organizations has spent tens of thousands of dollars campaigning against Biden, and she's organizing primary challenges against several long-time incumbent Democrats in the House.

[Cha]

107. We Are Standing UP for our DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE who is

being Falsely Accused.

[GeorgiaPeanut]

81. AOC's days are numbered - another Democrat will be in her place

She has not learnt the basics of winning over electorates and building coalitions. He fluke win in 2018 will be for the lost pages of history.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

119. You don't have to in the House. Many firebrands and kooks serve multiple terms

Because they only have to appeal to a small legislative district.

[herding cats]

133. Rand Paul, for example.

You don't have to be a sensible person to survive in a House District. It's specific to your constituents and their beliefs. It's also why it's sometimes hard to breakout of a marginalized House seat to something bigger and why people like Rand Paul won't ever go higher.

As I've said many times, all politic is local. But, if you want more you need to evolve to be more inclusive. State level vs. district level is a whole different dynamic. It's still local, but not even close to the same game as a district race.

She's not my representative, so I don't pay her that much attention to her. She's the responsibility of her district.

[Dem2]

87. Whatever

Let's focus on real problems, not this moronic circular firing squad.

[Ilsa]

90. Maybe Tara Reade should be the focus of AOC's investigation.

TR sounds like a total flake, rewriting history for her convenience, and who knows what else?

[Talitha]

95. AOC was 'ok' at first but now she reminds me of the idiot-in-chief.

They both think everyone wants to hear their opinion of everything.

As if...

[Celerity]

112. this article is referring to a Tuesday event, today AOC endorsed Biden for POTUS, so there is that

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

128. AO who? "some people say".... who cares.

[Lady_Chat]

135. When AOC voted with republicans Stefanik and Zeldin against New York, was done with her and so were

my neighbors. A vote was taken to lift the SALT Cap , which would have given us all a much needed break on our taxes. This was imposed on us by Trump and republicans, when he first took office and was giving tax cuts to his supporters. And that sure wasn't us, his own home state voted against him. And he didn't forget that. I would have expected it of Stefanik and Zeldin to vote against lifting the cap, , but AOC never? Her excuse? "it would benefit the wealthy." All our neighbors were like the "wealthy"? We are a middle class neighborhood, and really needed the tax relief, especially for Seniors and young families. How does she not know that? The next day, The New York Daily News ran a big picture of her and the headline:" AOC Pours SALT in the wound" Very disappointing. After that, no one around here wants to hear about her and her 'grand plans", she doesn't have a clue, she's nothing but talk looking for publicity.