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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday that shes not ready to endorse former Vice President Joe Biden's White House bid, adding that Democrats' teams have been in touch in the past 24 hours.
Speaking in a web interview with the authors of Politico Playbook, Ocasio-Cortez said that while she still wants policy assurances from Biden, in the end it will be important for Democrats to support the party's nominee in November.
Well see, Ocasio-Cortez said when asked about endorsing Biden. Were having conversations with Bidens team, and trying to figure out what some of these policy conversations will look like. I would love to see the vice president clarify and deepen his policy stances on certain issues. But aside from that, I think its incredibly important we support the Democratic nominee in November.
Ocasio-Cortez said she would like to see Biden take more progressive stances on health care, immigration and climate change.
The freshman lawmaker was a surrogate for Sen. Bernie Sanders before the Vermont independent ended his presidential campaign, and her reluctance to endorse Biden comes two days after the senator himself announced his support for the former vice president.
In an interview on Tuesday with The Associated Press, Sanders said it would be irresponsible for his supporters to refuse to back Biden, warning that it would lead to President Trump's reelection.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/492912-ocasio-cortez-on-biden-endorsement-well-see
Aristus
(66,438 posts)I actually admire A O-C a great deal; but she is missing the boat on this one...
agingdem
(7,852 posts)Biden didn't kneel before her...like right now in this moment in time that's important...AOC...flash in the pan
PatSeg
(47,567 posts)That about sums it up. If she wants to be a lasting political influence, she needs to get her priorities straight. I think all the media attention went to her head and she thinks she is more influential than she really is. "Oh very young, what will you leave us this time?"
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)agingdem
(7,852 posts)or sit down and close your mouth and listen to the grown ups...this isn't an apocalypse video game honey..this shit is real
PatSeg
(47,567 posts)I can pass this judgment as I remember what it was like to be young. We really thought we knew everything and our parents' and grandparents' generation were clueless. Each generation does bring about change, which is good, but it isn't until we get older that we realize how much our ancestors contributed to that progress.
When it comes to our new batch of young people, ready to change the world, I agree that they need to close their mouths and listen a bit before they transform society. We need their energy, idealism, and enthusiasm, but not if they intend to burn everything down to achieve their goals. Look at what came before, take the good, alter the mistakes, and infuse some new ideas, but do so with some respect for those who made that opportunity possible.
Without progressive leaders like Nancy Pelosi, these new Justice Democrats would not have a place at the table. Acknowledgement and respect go a long way.
agingdem
(7,852 posts)we made a difference...and yes I want their youthful energy but more than that I want their vote...2016 it was Bernie or bust..and that malicious piece of shit is what we got...couldn't afford it then and we certainly can't afford it now...
PatSeg
(47,567 posts)in ways that many young people don't realize and there is always more to be done. Hopefully, the young progressives will see how important it is to remove Trump and many republican leaders from office before we can move forward. Lashing out at people they perceive as "moderate" or "establishment" will only set us back. That energy needs to be addressed at the real threats, starting with the White House.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)and they should not be deprived of the credit for their success. I'm sure you agree that the people most responsible for Trump being in office are the people who actually voted for him in 2016:
AGE
18-29 Clinton 55 Trump 36
30-44 Clinton 51 Trump 41
45-64 Clinton 44 Trump 52
65 & over Clinton 45 Trump 52
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2016
agingdem
(7,852 posts)don't blame the flower children
Mariana
(14,860 posts)They weren't apathetic at all. The majority of older voters, the ones who cast their ballots for him in 2016, did so with great enthusiasm. Most of them will do it again in 2020.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)And she needs to realize that not every voter lives in a liberal district in NYC.
old guy
(3,283 posts)I think I understand her feelings, but the defeat of tRump is the issue here. Policy fights can carried on after the election. Just sayin.
still_one
(92,366 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,693 posts)Walleye
(31,039 posts)vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Honestly she's too young to be in this kind of game she needs to get more experience in before she runs her mouth.
nykym
(3,063 posts)In an interview on Tuesday with The Associated Press, Sanders said it would be irresponsible for his supporters to refuse to back Biden, warning that it would lead to President Trump's reelection.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)My husband says she is taking over for Bernie, Lord I hope the hell not. She has great skills, she could be the future of the party if she would just be patient and learn how everything works. Yes some of it needs repair, but if she starts the "revolution" stuff without understanding the entire country and the ENTIRE party, she will never reach her potential which is great. There are only two places you start at the top, digging a post hole and painting a barn.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)LakeArenal
(28,835 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)LakeArenal
(28,835 posts)Demsrule86
(68,637 posts)AOC has not really served her district according to my friends who live there.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)She will just go in tv and bash us if she loses.
Celerity
(43,485 posts)being backed by the RW US Chamber of Commerce.
Good luck with that.
CNBC's Caruso-Cabrera: Eliminate Departments Of Labor, Commerce, Education And Privatize Social Security
https://crooksandliars.com/heather/cnbcs-caruso-cabrera-eliminate-departments
CNBC anchor Michelle Caruso-Cabrera visited the set of Morning Joe to push her new book You Know I'm Right and apparently we've got another Ayn Rand fan working for CNBC. After saying that the auto companies should have been allowed to fail, presumably to get rid of those pesky over paid union workers, Mike Barnicle asks her if she thinks we're going to have to raise taxes to pay our deficit.
Cabrera of course doesn't think we should raise taxes and says that instead we should cut spending. Leslie Stahl asks her where. She replies:
over paid union workers, Mike Barnicle asks her if she thinks we're going to have to raise taxes to pay our deficit.
Cabrera of course doesn't think we should raise taxes and says that instead we should cut spending. Leslie Stahl asks her where. She replies:
Easy stuff; you get rid of the Department of Labor, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Education. You can get rid of all of those. They're not necessary. You don't need that stuff done at the federal level.
But the real issue, let's talk about it Social Security and Medicare, right? We have over promised so much that someday if we don't do something, we're going to be Greece. We're on the path to that. So what you do right now is you tell young people instead of saving that Social Security and giving it to the government, you're going to have a personal account, and that's going to be your retirement. And in the mean time, as you get closer to retirement, you're going to have to live on that money instead, because...
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Fucks Snooz is pushing her
https://www.foxnews.com/media/caruso-cabrera-aoc-socialism-dem-primary (sorry for the link but it for illustrative purposes)
A registered Democrat and descendant of Cuban immigrants, Caruso-Cabrera has been a fierce critic of socialism and advocate for free markets. According to CNBC, she filed to run late Monday.
Her 2010 book -- titled "You Know I'm Right: More Prosperity, Less Government" -- calls out both parties for ignoring "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" Americans like herself.
She has praised former President Reagan's economic policy and called for limited government, likely putting her at odds with Ocasio-Cortez's large-scale plans like the "Green New Deal." Ocasio-Cortez, who supports "democratic socialism," has faced other challengers for 2020, but Caruso-Cabrera seemed to be the most prominent to announce. Her website describes the race as "MCC vs. AOC," referring to the initials commonly used to describe Ocasio-Cortez.
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she is backed by the primarily RW US Chamber of Congress
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dccc-alexandria-ocasio-cortez_n_5e9758b0c5b682e0de5a253a?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004
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Chamber of Commerce backs AOC's primary challenger
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/09/chamber-commerce-aoc-primary-challenger-175917
The traditionally conservative U.S. Chamber of Commerce is planning to endorse a primary challenger to progressive icon Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a move that represents a dramatic intervention in a Democratic race.
The influential organization typically supports Republican candidates who are closely aligned with the business community. But the Chamber has decided to help Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, a former CNBC anchor who is waging an underdog challenge to Ocasio-Cortez. The freshman New York City congresswoman is perhaps the most prominent liberal in the House.
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wryter2000
(46,076 posts)She's a junior Congresswoman. She doesn't speak for the party.
Danmel
(4,921 posts)Way out over her skis
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Response to SheltieLover (Reply #10)
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SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)🤬
This is my take xposted from thread referenced above:
In AOC's egocentric little mind, Joe failed to reach out to her. Remember her complaint of a few days ago?
Now think back to photos of AOC when she hits someone with a zinger in public. That snotty little, self-satisfied smirk.
And now this!
Anyone else reminded of the mean girls in middle school?
She also has supported ousting long-term Dem public servants. While there is often room for improvement with the existing structure, why not throw your weight, or big mouth in this case, behind DEM candidates fighting the REAL enemy. But then, I guess reality is subjective & AOC's "enemy" is not necessarily that of the Dem party.
Her opponent is said to be backed by big money conservative groups!
It would be wonderful if the DNC could get a REAL Dem to primary her. I have no knowledge of how this all works, deadlines & such, but this snotty vindictive, egocentric little middle school mentality needs to GO!
justhanginon
(3,290 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)👍
brush
(53,827 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)People are not seeing this, it seems.
Don't forget that the vast majority of what we communicate is nonverbal!
So please feel free to copy or rewrite, etc & get the word out.
It can, at first, be funny when AOC does the zinzger & snotty snear to or about a repuke, but she has reportedly thrown Joe under the bus & now is saying "we'll see" bs withholding endorsement.
Guessing she voted for Stein. 🤬
brush
(53,827 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Not sure if it would violate TOS here to start such a thread. I'm new & don't want to violate rules.
But her middle-school snotty bs is patently obvious.
Nancy should send her to the corner & make her sit with a DUNCE hat on.
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Stallion
(6,476 posts)I hope she gets a strong Democratic opponent in the next election (ie 2022)
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Under The Radar
(3,404 posts)But with only Joe remaining in the race, I dont see where my endorsement or AOCs really makes any difference.
samnsara
(17,634 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)He absolutely MUST prosecute all of them AND IMPRISON THEM FOR LIFE, AT THE LEAST!
Demsrule86
(68,637 posts)And Biden can't prosecute anyone. That will be up to whoever is the attorney general.
Under The Radar
(3,404 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)If you mean "I", say "I".
She's so immature.
MANative
(4,112 posts)samnsara
(17,634 posts)LakeArenal
(28,835 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,525 posts)We don't need any division in the Democratic party right now. First we have to win the election. The details can be hammered out later.
Coleman
(854 posts)Does she want to stuck on some boring subcommittee looking at highway right-of-ways? One that never gets TV time or print.
Me.
(35,454 posts)And I suppose she wants unqualified support from the Dems? That will be a big hardee har.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Climate - supports Green New Deal
Health care - strengthen Obamacare, expand Medicaid, keep insurance or opt into Medicare, lower age to 60
Immigration - I haven't studied that, but I'm sure it's better than Trump!!
calimary
(81,432 posts)DAMMIT, AOC, Get with the program! This is NO time to hem and haw. If its good enough for Elizabeth Warren, why isnt it good enough for YOU???
Hellbent on holding out for the perfect impossible dream rather than the good thats actually IN HAND, RIGHT NOW.
Green Line
(1,123 posts)LakeArenal
(28,835 posts)Who is this royal we she speaks of?
This we had discussed it with us and we think she should take an chill pill.
Hav
(5,969 posts)Does Biden's team spend the same amount of time with every single Dem in Congress or just those who haven't grown up yet?
Seriously, just go on without trying to please and appease everyone. Biden has already shown signs to acknowledge the Warren and Bernie wing by adopting parts of their plans. No one will be moved to vote for Biden just because of her.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Is she campaigning at all for her House seat?
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Her only problem is if at some point the party runs someone against her in the primary. That may happen the longer she holds out on supporting the ticket this year.
Demsrule86
(68,637 posts)It is Queens and the Bronx...working people who were furious about the Amazon thing. Hubs comes from that area. We know people there and most don't like her. She only won because they didn't even know there was a primary. She could lose. And they are Democrats in that district not Justice Democrats...she needs to watch her step. I hope she loses the primary and we get a new Democrat who won't attack other Democrats and the party. The district will go blue no matter what. Of course I support her if she survives the primary.
beastie boy
(9,402 posts)Bernie already endorsed Biden, and AOC's base is virtually identical to hers. Her endorsement will barely make a ripple.She is in no position to make demands in exchange for an endorsement.
The only thing that she can still use as leverage is her vote in November, and her vote is only marginally more significant than mine. If she doesn't vote for Biden, she loses her seat, 100%. This will likely be the end of her political career.
The Magistrate
(95,252 posts)It may be one she cannot recover from, if persisted in much longer. That would be a shame. I think she has potential for a valuable career in politics.
"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."
KayF
(1,345 posts)if she wants to rise in the ranks and become the next Joe Crowley, then I agree that this is a mistake but I don't think that's her goal.
The Magistrate
(95,252 posts)She is making a very bad mistake. One the left has been making for a long time. Every time the left makes clear it cannot be relied on for support in the coalition that constitutes the Democratic Party, the left loses more influence. When the threat of withholding support actually does result in defeat for the Party, the result is not that the rest come hat in hand to the left apologizing and asking what they can do to make their error right. Rather it is simply dislike, even hatred for leftist factions which act as saboteurs, and a resolve to find more reliable voters elsewhere. Which means moving further towards the center. Even by the loosest definition, the 'progressive left' constitutes no more than a third of the Party's primary electorate. From such a minority share, posturing as the 'base' of the Party, or proclaiming 'we are the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party' is worse than futile. It is destructive and alienating, particularly when the threat of withholding support in elections lurks always in the background. The base of the Party are those who can be relied to vote for its candidates, come hell or high water.
"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Should run again.
comradebillyboy
(10,174 posts)I don't think that anymore.
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)Like tRump this isn't about you. She has jack shit without the Party AND she could be sacrificed if she pushes it too far.
There are times when saying nothing is the best path, she needs to learn, now is not the time to try to be in the spotlight.
Like tRump and his name on the checks, be careful what you do.
R B Garr
(16,973 posts)For relevance, of course.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Announcements . She is not that important! Who cares?
RandySF
(59,146 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)She does not deserve. She would shut up if everyone would ignore her.
Cha
(297,506 posts)I see someone's had a talk with her and now she's endorsing Joe Biden.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)Cha
(297,506 posts)And, somebody obviously had a talk with her bc now she's endorsed him.
Tech
(1,771 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)but she sure didn't help Bernie turn out the youth vote.
Talitha
(6,611 posts)It's all about MEEEEEEEEEEE.
violasays
(50 posts)People my age and a little older (so Gen Y to Millennials) love AOC. She gets social media, she knows how to market herself, she's a WOC, she's extremely attractive, and she's outspoken. I don't particularly like her, and I don't understand why she's making an arse of herself when even Senator Sanders has gotten in line with supporting our nominee, but AOC has a large upside being a young, pretty, Latina who is highly intelligent and engaging. Attempting to dismiss her or fling mud at her could really, really backfire with the younger voters that VP Biden will need to support him.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Squinch
(50,992 posts)brush
(53,827 posts)on policy planks. The Speaker will be calling her into her office soon.
betsuni
(25,598 posts)in the chicken?' she asks. 'Or would you prefer the platter of shit with broken glass in it?'"
AOC: "We'll see."
Demsrule86
(68,637 posts)You are facing a well funded primary. Maybe you should ask Joe Biden for an endorsement...might save your seat.
jorgevlorgan
(8,323 posts)Nominee in November."
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Not divisive headlines. I am sorry, this is how I feel. As soon as the post was read, we all took off.
Then a hundred posts later we find AOC endorsed Joe on a show only women watch!
struggle4progress
(118,327 posts)She said: Right now, the stakes are just so high when it comes to another four years of Trump. I think its really important that we rally around the Democratic nominee in November
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)I have 3 republican coworkers who unsolicited told me they planned on voting for Biden. None of the religious zealots and they really dont follow politics like I do. AOC on the trail for Biden would be a liability here. He should, and will just ignore her.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)That's Mediaites take.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-endorses-joe-biden-absolutely-must-rally-behind-our-democratic-nominee/
Progressive New York Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez delivered an unequivocal endorsement of former Vice President Joe Bidens candidacy, saying that voters absolutely should rally behind our Democratic nominee in November.
On Wednesdays edition of ABCs The View, host Whoopi Goldberg asked AOC if shed be able to do the same thing as Bernie Sanders and endorse Biden, and whether its time to have a conversation with Joe?
Absolutely, she replied, adding that the stakes are too high when it comes to another four years of Trump.
Her remarks went beyond having a conversation about endorsing Biden, though, as AOC went on to say I think its really important that we rally behind our Democratic nominee in November, and argued explicitly against voting third party.