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Link to tweet
That averages out to about 1.52M deaths if you lowball it at 2%.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,488 posts)(edited, in light of replies}
I had no idea there were that many.
SeattleVet
(5,477 posts)From Kindergarten through University.
K-12 is approximately 56 million.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)The number of people enrolled in school in the United States reached 76.8 million in 2018 according to the U.S. Census Bureau. But I'm pretty sure that number includes both public and private schools and college enrollment as well.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)gibraltar72
(7,506 posts)yardwork
(61,649 posts)vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Is it hard to purchase a fake one and pretend you're a doctor even though you're a complete dumbass
Olafjoy
(937 posts)Cha
(297,289 posts)learning online.
What a heartless thing to say.. and how does he know?
MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)That said...online learning is kicking my ass. Google Classroom leaves a lot to be desired. Off topic but thats where I am. Maybe Dr. Oz doesnt care about kids because his are all grown? Regardless what a damned jerk.
Efilroft Sul
(3,579 posts)DenverJared
(457 posts)I wouldn't take my enemie's dog to him for medical advice.
procon
(15,805 posts)comes across as a quack. Something about him just lights up my warning alarms. He's always peddling something freaky, a miracle cure, a new patent medicine, and it amazes me that these multibillion dollar broadcast corps still hire hire that snake oil salesman.
and the fact that he is talking to Sean H, preaching more garbage, pretty much says it all
Amishman
(5,557 posts)He deserves to be penniless and ridiculed everywhere he goes.
yardwork
(61,649 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)marble falls
(57,102 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)He's the worst OZ.
The Wizard of Oz is good
Me, O.Z. is good. Also those are my initials irl. (well the O is my middle name but I go by that!)
Ozzie Ozborne is good. Well better than that OZ. Ha.
A lot of people like that OZ show.
A lot of people like "The OZ principle" book.
But Dr OZ is the worst OZ!
Ha
marble falls
(57,102 posts)Walleye
(31,028 posts)Response to catbyte (Original post)
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blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)lame54
(35,293 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)ancient Spartans, modern Nazis.
Not anyone you would actually like to meet.
Stuart G
(38,434 posts)Only 2 to 3 %?...Is Dr. Oz really that stupid?
RussBLib
(9,019 posts)that pretty much blows his rep right there
he didn't say HE would accept a 2-3% mortality rate, but that "some people" might consider it.
Well, duh, don't you want 97 to 98% of children to survive?
KayF
(1,345 posts)marble falls
(57,102 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)And to think there were DUers who promoted him, even calling him a good liberal doctor, even though he was a max donor to Republicans.
Sid
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Diet products especially?
mopinko
(70,120 posts)Gothmog
(145,303 posts)I have never paid attention to this idiot
RelativelyJones
(898 posts)potential deaths from Covid-19, not the overall population of students.
Celerity
(43,408 posts)Celerity
(43,408 posts)in lethality is for the total death count (and also NOT 2 to 4% of the entire country's population) for the entire country. Lets say 100,000 end up dying nationwide in the USA. The study said that that would increase by 2 to 4% (OZ said 3% which is incorrect), meaning 102,000 to 104,000 total deaths in the whole country (versus 100,000)
People trying to figure out how many schoolchildren there are and then thinking 2 to 3% of THAT number will die are way off. If that was the case, the adult lethality would be INSANE, 25%, 35% maybe.
Schoolchildren will never remotely approach a 2 to 3% mortality rate with this virus. BUT, they will be 'superspreaders'. That is why Sweden (insanely in my opinion) is keeping all the under high school level schools open. They want all the kids to get the virus and thus greatly aid in achieving herd immunity. There have been extremely few cases of schoolchildren deaths here in Sweden (again almost all our schools under high school level have been open the whole time), other than ones with massive pre-existing health issues.
Again
the study does NOT say 2 to 4 % of the total schoolchildren NOR 2 to 4% of the total population as a whole will die in addition to who already will die.
It says the actual final death count will increase 2% to 4 %
this entire confusion is the tweet's fault, as they made a massive blunder in their language/framing of the entire thing (the tweet thread makes me weep at the lack of critical thinking skills)
and please
very important caveat- I AM NOT CONDONING THIS ACTION, I am only correcting a huge error
here is the study
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(20)30105-X/fulltext
and here is some more context about school closures from The Guardian
'More harm than good': the case for and against closing schools during the coronavirus pandemic
Two epidemiologists discuss why schools in Australia are not yet being closed and if its even needed
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/27/more-harm-than-good-the-cases-for-and-against-closing-schools-during-the-coronavirus-pandemic#maincontent
In NYC (which did not shut the schools until a little over 3 weeks ago, when the deaths were already soaring)
as of April 14th, there have been THREE total deaths of 17 year olds and younger, out of 6,839 total deaths up to that day
The day they closed the schools there were already over 13,000 cases and 125 deaths (plus all the ones not labelled COVID at that point as testing was scarce as hell) in just the city proper, and remember COVID-19 has up to a 3 week incubation period.
RelativelyJones
(898 posts)Celerity
(43,408 posts)cheers
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)llmart
(15,540 posts)Didn't he used to be a heart surgeon at one time? The few times that I've seen his show I couldn't believe some of the stupid things he promoted or how condescending he was to women AND how women would flock to his show and act like he was the best thing since sliced bread. He's a quack who sold his soul for money and fame. Calling him a quack is the nicest word I could think of. The fact that Trump appointed him to a position is enough for me to say he's just another money grubbing ass.
I wouldn't listen to a word of his advice.
tenderfoot
(8,437 posts)she has foisted so many frauds unto the public.
Dr. Oz, Dr. Phil, Suze Orman, Joel Osteen, fuckin' James Frey.
I've come to believe that most on-air personalities wouldn't be there if they were actually helping rather than selling products.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/may/09/oprah-winfrey-neoliberal-capitalist-thinkers
spanone
(135,844 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 16, 2020, 08:51 PM - Edit history (1)
ashredux
(2,606 posts)The man is dangerous.....
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)That POS should be off TV today. He could get a new job being on FOX full time and preach that shit and let Trump magots be his only viewers.
Celerity
(43,408 posts)here is a detailed debunking I did
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213297826#post25
and per another poster, Dr. Sanjay Gupta debunked this as well on CNN
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)Whatever,it was one of the most asinine statements out of a so called "doctor" and of course that phony OZ was spewing it on FOX. That kind of shit talk of a "trade off" is something that would come out of the mouth of Trump.
Go ahead and open schools up on Monday, let's see how many would send their kids back and risk infection or death for 45 days left in the school year. Oh wait I forgot,CV only affects older people.
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)I already posted the study he used
you cannot just make shit up and claim you are right
I refuse to give in to non-logic
the study says a 2 to 4% increase in the total number of fatalities
NOT 2 to 4% of the total population
ie, if you have 100,000 deaths, then it shows an increase to between 102,000 and 104,000
use basic logic
if it was even 2% of the total population that would mean (for the US) an increase of 6.6 MILLION deaths, a number we will never approach, even remotely, overall, let alone an increase
and schoolchildren (as I have already shown, have an extraordinarily low death rate from COVID-19
ffs
people do not use basic critical thinking skills
sad
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)Of course you go back 3-4 weeks ago and many like Trump were claiming the young would never be infected,if they were it was mild. Now you have them dying but hell,let's open schools back up--Dr. Oz claims he can live with those numbers as a "trade off".
But stick to your theory and "critical thinking" because DU and even CNN repeatedly have stories about that nonsense statement that snake oil salesman and huckster Dr. Oz said and they agree with my post.
Now bonehead Dr. Phil and Drew Pensky are running around making similar stupid statements about 365,000 dying from drowning per year so the CV is nothing.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/media/doctors-oz-phil-drew-fox-news/index.html
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... the link YOU provided in post 55? It actually illustrates that you are mistaken. Saying well, hes a dick anyway doesnt make getting the facts wrong ok.
You should apologize to Celerity.
iluvtennis
(19,862 posts)the kids, teachers, staff and certify the environment is safe.
cab67
(2,993 posts)"Dr Oz" should be retitled "Check this shit out with some guy named Mehmet."
qallunat
(16 posts)...so he doesn't even have ignorance as a defence.
He is just a cold-hearted malignant, greedy opportunist! His Senate testimony speaks for itself.
keithbvadu2
(36,823 posts)OK, Dr Oz,
Go to any big church Sunday school class(es) and pick any two per hundred that you are ok with assigning death.
Make sure that the congregation agrees first.
MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)its okay to sacrifice grandma for the stock market to its okay to sacrifice your child to open up the economy. No words. Other than Fuck Dr. Oz....Im comfortable with those words.
The Nurse
(5 posts)Isn't it interesting that the pro life conservatives are in such a hurry to reopen the country so more can die. Perhaps they werent' prolife after all.
Rebl2
(13,521 posts)hope more will die, but that will include many of their conservative supporters.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)yardwork
(61,649 posts)txwhitedove
(3,929 posts)March 11-12 and is still closed. If not, we would have a much higher infection rate. Got a call from the school Monday that the lunch lady handing out free lunches last week for kids at the local school, is Covid positive. Good teachable moment for kid that the only time she went out without mask or gloves was on her run mid morning, to the school. Damn.
Rebl2
(13,521 posts)You send your kids and grandchildren first. Well see how that goes. Ive NEVER understood his appeal and questionable medical advice.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)I would hate to pick which 24 should be sacrificed so Dr. Oz's portfolio will increase in value.
#RightToLifeMeansAllLives
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)What kind of fucking doctor is this? Does he not realize that these children will still be contagious even if they survive? What the hell is wrong with him? I swear, I feel like I am living in the fucking Twilight Zone right now. This is madness.