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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSerious question. If we reclaim the Senate and the Presidency what are the chances that
Obama would accept a Supreme Court nomination and be appointed to that body? And, if that happens, what are the chances of overturning Citizens United?
I need some hope to hang a hat on and I figure if I'm projecting my thoughts into the future I don't want them to be thoughts of trepidation. I want to focus on thoughts of positive change.
Thinking about corporations running our government and the world lead my mind to really dark spaces where the toll on human life through corporate greed, climate change, slave wages, lack of medical care, etc. will make this pandemic look like a cake walk.
I want to unleash my mind for an exploratory walk through a different world.
What do you think? Is there a chance? Because thinking about that feels pretty good.
elleng
(130,895 posts)stopdiggin
(11,306 posts)and zero help there. IMO opinion .. because of the age of the justices, we are probably several administrations (at bare minimum) away from meaningful change on the court. One can always hope for the unexpected, but ....
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)In order to overturn Citizens United we would need at least one of the conservatives to croak. They won't go willingly if the democrats are in charge.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,686 posts)Although he's taught law and certainly knows plenty of constitutional law theory, he's never been a judge and hasn't even practiced law all that much. He knows enough about the process to know what's required, and I think he would rather an experienced appellate judge (Merrick Garland, maybe?) be appointed instead.
The fate of Citizens United would depend on how the issues in the case that comes before the court are framed and argued. No case can be overturned unless there is another case before the court that raises the same issues, but there are many different possible angles and legal theories. The case would have to be one that does not require the court to overturn it using the same reasoning they used to decide it - and Citizens United actually overturned an earlier case, Buckley v. Valeo. There would have to be a different angle, and we won't know if that can happen until there is an actual case before the court.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)chief justice.
How did he do?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,686 posts)Taft had been a practicing attorney, a judge, and Solicitor General before he was President.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,439 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Can we stop with this notion that qualifications and expertise mean nothing.
MuseRider
(34,108 posts)American Idol.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,439 posts)rampartc
(5,407 posts)or maybe anything else.
they will hight obama tooth and nail, but that is no reason to appoint someone acceptable to them.
does obama want the job? i'm not sure how obama would vote on a citizens united case. are you?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,686 posts)because he knows he's not qualified for it. I do think he'd like to see his nominee Merrick Garland get it, though. And it's impossible to know for sure how any of the justices would vote on a similar case until that case actually comes before the court. We've already had a few surprises.
jimfields33
(15,793 posts)Wouldnt we want a 45-52 year old in the seat for longevity?
former9thward
(32,003 posts)Zero chance a president would nominate someone that old to the SC.
unblock
(52,213 posts)is certainly reasonable qualification for the job. he wouldn't even be the first former potus (taft was the first, and so far, only).
note the all supreme court justices are routinely call on to opine on areas outside their previous experience. they get the tough questions and they get them in all areas of law, not just the possibly limited or narrow exposure they may have gotten in their previous jobs. they rely on their ability to read and understand the law and the constitution and case histories and of course they rely on clerks. obama certainly has that capability and experience.
that said, i agree that he may have plenty of reasons to decline the job.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,686 posts)And the justices are not routinely called on to opine on areas outside their previous experience. Appellate judges decide cases on the basis of the law and the evidence in the record before them. This evidence can come from the parties (but it can't be new evidence on appeal unless the issue is whether certain evidence should have been admitted in the first place) and sometimes from amicus briefs, but they do not call upon their personal expertise - at least, they aren't supposed to. So, for example, if a justice had been an airline pilot in a previous career and a plane crash case came before him/her, he/she would not substitute or inject his/her own experience in aviation to decide the case.
unblock
(52,213 posts)I mean that Supreme Court cases can arise in areas where a justice had no previous experience, e.g., maybe they never had a bankruptcy appeal while they were on the appellate court.
There are some types of cases that don't often come up in certain courts of appeal. I imagine the fact that most corporation are Delaware-based skews the case load of corporate law appeals to whichever district included Delaware.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,686 posts)The majority of federal appellate cases are routine commercial litigation cases. Because review is discretionary, the cases that are accepted for review by the Supreme Court will necessarily involve major constitutional issues and significant but unsettled interpretations of federal statutes, and they deny cert to at least 90% of the petitions. Most federal cases are not like that, no matter what jurisdiction they're in.
brewens
(13,582 posts)me, but there have to be many judges that would be great.
unblock
(52,213 posts)exboyfil
(17,863 posts)or even after the General Election. If the Democrats win both the Presidency and majority control of the Senate (or even one of the two). McConnell has already been trying to push older conservative judges out the door to get younger replacements.
I don't think Obama would want the nomination. It would set a bad precedent for non-judges and non-practicing attorneys to be placed on the Court.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)There are other great legal minds who can make the same constitutional decisions.
RicROC
(1,204 posts)we need Mr. Obama to be an advocate for the new Democratic majority agenda, not holed up in the Supreme Court.
Merrick Garland was a moderate (safe) choice by Pres. Obama. We don't need him now on the SC...we need a true liberal with liberal philosophies.
Mopar151
(9,983 posts)Like some 1 on 1 time with Injustices Cavanaugh and Thomas, to convince them that a "principled retirement" is in their best interest.
tinrobot
(10,899 posts)Average age for nomination is early 50's and getting younger.
The way things are currently set up, we want our nominees to be on the bench for 30-40 years. Unfortunately, younger is better.
Journeyman
(15,031 posts)He's probably the only person in the country who could quickly repair the damage that's been done the world over by the Trumpster Fire.