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When will enough be enough. I am destroyed by these numbers and projections.
doc03
(35,332 posts)lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)which is only .5% CFR on our entire population. I see no reason why every person in the US will not be exposed ( given the large percentage of asymptomatic carriers )
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)They're getting too much money from Social Security so the virus is a convenient way to remove that burden.
in case that was even necessary.
leftieNanner
(15,084 posts)And no. The wasn't necessary.
cry baby
(6,682 posts)No number is too many.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)cayugafalls
(5,640 posts)He kept repeating that during the town hall, so I knew he was setting us up.
He is a sick person who can not accept responsibility for anything.
November 3rd cannot get here fast enough...
Union Yank
(13 posts)Biden is no lock, Sadly this country has such a Horrific Electorate he (TRUMP) may get the Electoral Collage again
Remember voter suppression AND Russia will be doing everything they can to get this Clown back in there..
Im hoping the Orangina catches this virus and it KILLS him!! that's the only sure way to get rid of this Repugnant Scumbag, who has the morals of a serial killer...
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)cayugafalls
(5,640 posts)I just put all my hope in the election.
November 3rd. We have to go all in, our liberty is at stake. That has to be the message.
keithbvadu2
(36,793 posts)Trump's baseline is 15 people and going down toward zero.
First it was one person from China and then it was 15 people and going down toward zero.
That's what you said.
Everything above that is Trump's personal death toll.
ProfessorGAC
(65,013 posts)...he'll be saying anything under 2 million is a great job.
When it hits 200k, he'll claim he saved 1.8 million lives!
cayugafalls
(5,640 posts)He is a sick, sick person with no moral compass and zero compassion for those who have died.
I can't say how much I despise him...there are no words strong enough.
DBoon
(22,363 posts)meaning as long as they can keep poisoning social media with lies
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Reading what the dumb fucks in my neighborhood think was terrible for my health.
The city council in this place voted to open the entire city. Violating the state order even. Bars and restaurants open today.
Their response is, "Nobody has died. The numbers are fake. Open everything up now"
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)I wandered into some Yahoo "conversations" a few days ago, seeing people bring up that old number from Fauci.
It was used out of context to support the ludicrous idea that Trump is doing a great job.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)As long as the goal posts keep moving, Trump does not give a single fuck about the integer is lands on...only that he can convince his drones that it is at least n-1 from what it MIGHT have been if he hadn't 'taken early action shutting down Jina'...
In reality?
The number is 3,749,999.
Why that specifically?
Because that is roughly 1% of the total US population (assuming there are about 375 million total people in the country - legal or otherwise).
At 3,750,000, the virus is officially killing 1% of the total population and that is the arbitrary line that they are going to choose as their hill to die on. Why? To hijack the argument that the 1% are in control of the economy and the country and turn it on its head...
Democrats (correctly) have pointed out the disparities in wealth and opportunity between the top 1% and the bottom 99%...but Trump and his cronies, in their reptile brains, see a chance to re-frame the issue by claiming THEY (the GOP) support the working man and the 99% more than Democrats, who they will say are only interested in saving the 1% of the population.
That will be all that they need. Its just like "e-mails" or "Benghazi" or "Whitewater" or "Lewinski" or any other drummed up, BS 'controversy' that can distract their base and at the same time get them ginned up for battle.
The "acceptable" total is always 0, when the deaths are preventable and always 'as few as we can possibly make it' when the deaths are out of our control. But for the current GOP and their ghoulish fanboys, the actual number is 3,749,999 dead Americans...
ProfessorGAC
(65,013 posts)I think they'll go with a lower number so when it's less, they'll declare victory, but your approach makes a lot of sense.
luvallpeeps
(935 posts)I feel like I'm living in a bizarre Stephen King book. These sick Republican ghouls who're trying to normalize this. They're all "just get back to work and stfu" bullshit! Chris Christie being the latest. They have laid down their human masks and exposed themselves for the monsters they are. They can't even feign compassion. There are even folks back on the "it's a hoax" bullshit!?! We are truly living in some kinda nightmare. I guess they must think the dead bodies are all part of the elaborate hoax? And what pray tell, are we gaining from this?
0rganism
(23,945 posts)but i guess that was all just a fantasy from a parallel universe
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)(or any effort) to restrain the destruction of this virus. If we had competent, sincere leaders who were doing everything possible to help us, rather than throwing us to the wolves, this would be at least bearable. But we're fighting not only the virus but our own federal government who in a sick strange way seems to be siding with the virus against humanity.
leftieNanner
(15,084 posts)Crickets.
Particularly Senators. They had the opportunity to get rid of this guy just a few months ago, and they punted.
How do you feel about it now Senator Collins? Alexander? Murkowski?
Celerity
(43,349 posts)100% of all PoC DEAD (even the PoC who voted Rethug) and buried or burnt to ashes. (I assume they would go for the crematorium route, given their history.)
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spanone
(135,831 posts)Where people just say 'enough is fucking enough' ?
Midnight Writer
(21,753 posts)onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)They will not die. Theyre busy looting the treasury from afar.
kairos12
(12,859 posts)the "others" who die.
Happy Hoosier
(7,304 posts)Currently, on May 5, 2020, there are about 1,200,000 confirmed cases. We know from isolated studies that from 50-80% of those infected are asymptomatic and most never know they had COVID-19. Let's be generous as use the 80% number. That would mean about 6,000,000 people have been infected.
Now, we have about 71,000 confirmed deaths. The real number is likely higher by 20,000 or so based on death rate analysis, but again, let's be generous and say it's 71,000. That's a death rate of about 1.2%.
That doesn't sound too scary, right? Wait.
If we lift social distancing restrictions, the estimates are that viral penetration could vary between 30% and 70% of the population. 30% represents estimate based on moderate social distancing and 70% with fewer restrictions. A 30% viral penetration results in 108,900,000 people getting infected. Let's says that way over estimates viral penetration and it's more like 10% or about 33,000,000 people.
That would mean 396,000 people dead. With treatment improvements, maybe we can save a third of those people. Many survivors will have permanent organ damage.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)it's kind of hard to say. Whoever told me I didn't know the value of a dollar was right.
maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)"Acceptability" is irrelevant.