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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 02:18 AM Jun 2020

CNN: Trump's crazy designation of Antifa as terrorist organization

Overnight, what was once a bedrock belief among mainstream Americans, that fascists are bad, has suddenly become enough to get you labeled a terrorist. That is right. It is now subversive to reject and oppose nazis.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-s-crazy-designation-of-antifa-as-terrorist-organization-opinion/ar-BB14QESl?ocid=msedgdhp

President Donald Trump's announcement that his administration will designate Antifa as a terrorist organization is surely unconstitutional because it would effectively criminalize joining an American domestic ideological group.

Thanks to the First Amendment, the US government has historically avoided designating domestic groups on both the left and right as terrorist. Belonging to such groups is consistent with the legitimate exercise of your First Amendment right to freedom of speech and belief — whether you are a white supremacist or an environmental activist.

Of course, should an American citizen commit a crime in service of her extremist beliefs she can be prosecuted for that crime, but she can't be prosecuted for merely belonging to the group, no matter how objectionable its views might be.

The situation is quite different when it comes to terrorist groups based overseas. If you look at the National Counterterrorism Center's list of designated terrorist groups, you will see that all the groups that are listed are based outside the United States. Joining such designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations is not protected by the First Amendment and is prosecuted as a crime. In recent years scores of Americans, for instance, have been convicted of joining ISIS or attempting to join the terrorist group, which can carry a sentence of up to 20 years.
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CNN: Trump's crazy designation of Antifa as terrorist organization (Original Post) TomCADem Jun 2020 OP
He's just talking out that prodigious ass of his ... he ain't gonna do SHIT (nt) mr_lebowski Jun 2020 #1
Either That or Anti-Defamation League... TomCADem Jun 2020 #3
They already denounce the SPLC as "far left." Eugene Jun 2020 #4
Like a Rabid Cornered Rat. Cha Jun 2020 #2
Even Nixon/Ford didn't designate the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) no_hypocrisy Jun 2020 #5
This could be done by law in Denmark... TomVilmer Jun 2020 #6
Next: the Barbie Liberation Organization Cicada Jun 2020 #7
Serious question: Does Antifa really exist? Or is it just a conservative wet dream that Squinch Jun 2020 #8
Has the antifa leadership The Wizard Jun 2020 #9

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
3. Either That or Anti-Defamation League...
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 02:39 AM
Jun 2020

...and Souther Poverty Law Center will be seen as terrorist organizations in Trump’s America.

Eugene

(61,899 posts)
4. They already denounce the SPLC as "far left."
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 03:05 AM
Jun 2020

It's not that big a leap to frame SPLC as an instigator, enabler and material supporter of these "anarchist terrorists."

no_hypocrisy

(46,112 posts)
5. Even Nixon/Ford didn't designate the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA)
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 05:19 AM
Jun 2020

as a "terrorist" organization and they did plenty of stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbionese_Liberation_Army

For you young'ins: SLA kidnapped newspaper heiress Patty Hearst in 1974 and after a time of captivity, she joined them, although it's disputed whether it was voluntary.

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
6. This could be done by law in Denmark...
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 05:58 AM
Jun 2020

... since we do not have that "overseas" part. A Danish militant group was "dissolved as illegal under Denmark’s Constitution" for organized violence - with the main focus on drug dealing. Basically they were like a criminal biker gang of the Hell's Angels type. The other drug selling biker gangs are not deemed illegal though, since they are all white.....
https://www.thelocal.dk/20180904/danish-police-ban-organised-crime-gang

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
7. Next: the Barbie Liberation Organization
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 06:12 AM
Jun 2020

Anfifa broke a reporter’s nose.

But that pales compared to the pain of children victimized by the Barbie Liberation Organization. For younger members of DU you may not know that a group switches The voice boxes of GI Joe and Barbie and then put them back on shelves for sale.

Now THATS a terrorist organization Trump supporters can properly go after.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
8. Serious question: Does Antifa really exist? Or is it just a conservative wet dream that
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 06:29 AM
Jun 2020

was then used by conservatives for ratfucking?

Wouldn't we here have heard more from the inside of such an organization? Wouldn't some of us here know some people involved in it?

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