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Doodley

(9,092 posts)
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 11:54 AM Jun 2020

Is Trump's puppet master, Vladimir Putin, behind social unrest in America?

To be clear, we are not talking about peaceful protest, but violence and destruction.

Susan Rice Blames ‘Foreign Actors’ for Stirring George Floyd Protests: ‘Right Out of the Russian Playbook’


Former Obama adviser Susan Rice has blamed the violent protests that rocked major American cities over the weekend on “foreign actors,” and even suggested that Russia could be involved in stirring them up.

“I’m not reading the intelligence today, or these days — but based on my experience, this is right out of the Russian playbook,” Rice, who served as national-security adviser to president Obama, said in a CNN interview on Sunday. “But we cannot allow the extremists, the foreign actors, to distract from the real problems we have in this country that are longstanding, centuries old, and need to be addressed responsibly.”

Anchor Wolf Blitzer responded, “you’re absolutely right on the foreign interference.” Blitzer then asked Rice if she thought the Russians were attempting to “embarrass” the U.S. by “promoting the racial divide in our country.”

https://news.yahoo.com/susan-rice-blames-foreign-actors-120019152.html

“Well we see it all the time, we’ve seen it for years, including on social media where they take any divisive, painful issue . . . and they play on both sides,” Rice said. “I would not be surprised to learn that they have fomented some of these extremists on both sides on social media . . . [or] that they’re funding it in some way, shape, or form.”



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Is Trump's puppet master, Vladimir Putin, behind social unrest in America? (Original Post) Doodley Jun 2020 OP
"Russia could be involved in stirring them up." Botany Jun 2020 #1
The media reports were very brief JonLP24 Jun 2020 #6
Also not coincidence that on the day he speaks to his puppet master, he pulls his strongman act. Doodley Jun 2020 #25
Social unrest in America is a product of sadistic and systemic racism. enough Jun 2020 #2
No. Recognizing Russia's role is appropriate and extremely necessary. Hortensis Jun 2020 #13
duh WhiteTara Jun 2020 #3
Duh Duh. LakeArenal Jun 2020 #4
No but they exploit divisions that already exist JonLP24 Jun 2020 #5
Trump was Putin's chaos candidate, and he is Putin's chaos president. dalton99a Jun 2020 #7
Yes, but does it matter? We've had homegrown right-wing... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #8
It matters, because if Russia is pulling the strings, propping up Trump, creating Doodley Jun 2020 #14
There's worse enemies already here. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #16
How about all the sitting Russiapublicans? Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2020 #21
Republicans have caused so much damage, and... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #23
I don't doubt Russia is helping...they are huge in White Supremacy right now. Caliman73 Jun 2020 #9
I agree with your post 100% JonLP24 Jun 2020 #12
Absolutely agree, but how does it ever change if we are under Russian control? Doodley Jun 2020 #15
Yep, the problem as well as the bad actors are already there, ripe and waiting. crickets Jun 2020 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2020 #10
Putin's trolls are all over FarceBook, posting crap to stir up the incels RainCaster Jun 2020 #11
Of course he is. redstatebluegirl Jun 2020 #17
Of course, the Russian mafia state is behind this. suegeo Jun 2020 #18
Yup, with a little help from 2naSalit Jun 2020 #19
K&R! SheltieLover Jun 2020 #20
Trumpy's hoping for another shower show Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2020 #24

Botany

(70,508 posts)
1. "Russia could be involved in stirring them up."
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 12:02 PM
Jun 2020

Of course they are so far this year Russia has:

* Worked on supporting Bernie in the primaries and when U.S. intel reported this Trump fired the
intel people instead of going after Russia.

* Had a lot of bot traffic (>80%) supporting the "open it back up" movement.

* Supported the "big boogaloo" race war meme.


JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
6. The media reports were very brief
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 12:31 PM
Jun 2020

I wish they detailed exactly what it is but these things are classified for a reason so why it was leaked to the Washington Post (they have an editorial bent against Sanders) a day before the primary. I read deep into Russiagate and I haven't read the exact details of what they were up to in the 2020 primary.

I'll make My point like this. RT is calling Bernie a sheepdog which is what Jimmy Dore (a big Russiagate denier) is also calling Bernie a sheepdog so I think they are more interested in dividing people than actually supporting Bernie Sanders. Trump is a different story because he is good at dividing people and somewhat favorable to Russian foreign policy especially in regards to holding them accountable for 2016 election interference.

enough

(13,259 posts)
2. Social unrest in America is a product of sadistic and systemic racism.
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 12:08 PM
Jun 2020

The Russians are surely promoting and benefitting, but blaming them just obscures the historic and current reality.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. No. Recognizing Russia's role is appropriate and extremely necessary.
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 12:53 PM
Jun 2020

Addressing this huge national security threat in no way takes away from the systemic domestic problems Russia is pouring fuel on.

This isn't done for no reason, you know. I'm guessing you don't want Putin getting his asset reelected to the presidency, right? You might also wonder where you might be in four years if that were to happen.

For all the noise about social and economic injustice, many of the noisiest have no real experience of the worst of either. That can change, and that IS Putin's plan.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
5. No but they exploit divisions that already exist
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 12:24 PM
Jun 2020

I lost most of my post due to loading issues so I'll keep it brief. They played both sides of the BLM/Blue Lives Matter & Take a Knee hashtag. They also like to play conservative veterans -- I happen to be a very progressive veteran.

Active Measures Against the US

Stirring up racial tensions in the United States by mailing bogus letters from the Ku Klux Klan, placing an explosive package in "the Negro section of New York" (operation PANDORA), and spreading conspiracy theories that Martin Luther King, Jr.'s assassination had been planned by the US government

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,854 posts)
8. Yes, but does it matter? We've had homegrown right-wing...
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 12:37 PM
Jun 2020

... propagandists doing the same thing for YEARS.

Doodley

(9,092 posts)
14. It matters, because if Russia is pulling the strings, propping up Trump, creating
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:01 PM
Jun 2020

chaos, and interfering with our elections, we have no country. We become a subsidiary of Russia.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,854 posts)
16. There's worse enemies already here.
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:09 PM
Jun 2020

One of my first threads on DU was about the bots from Russia. It wasn't getting as much attention back then.

Upon further thought, however, the fascist industrialists already in this country are a lot more troubling to me.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,854 posts)
23. Republicans have caused so much damage, and...
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 02:49 PM
Jun 2020

... they seem to get more fascist as time passes.

I personally think it could be a natural consequence of the intense scare-mongering of socialism, just like the industrialists who backed the Nazis so strongly in Germany.

I was about to write FEAR of socialism, but the guys at the top aren't scared as much as they're greedy.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
9. I don't doubt Russia is helping...they are huge in White Supremacy right now.
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 12:41 PM
Jun 2020

However, Russian would have nothing to exploit racially if America would just deal with the issue it has been basically running from for the last 240+ years.

It is easy to exploit something that is right out in the open, that people do not want to admit, and which people try to separate from the society like it isn't baked into the cake.

There should not be a "both sides" on the issue of racism. There should be one side which understands that racism has weakened this country and continues to tear it apart. There should be one side which maybe has some disagreements on how exactly to tackle the issue of racism, but there should not be 2 sides here. There should be one side where the vast vast majority of us are on and actively rooting out the small minority of people who actively espouse White Supremacy and racism and making them irrelevant.

crickets

(25,980 posts)
22. Yep, the problem as well as the bad actors are already there, ripe and waiting.
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 02:48 PM
Jun 2020

It's a weakness and no doubt Russia is capitalizing on that, big time.

Response to Doodley (Original post)

RainCaster

(10,877 posts)
11. Putin's trolls are all over FarceBook, posting crap to stir up the incels
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 12:41 PM
Jun 2020

But Zuck is OK with that, because he gets clicks from the trolls too.

suegeo

(2,573 posts)
18. Of course, the Russian mafia state is behind this.
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:26 PM
Jun 2020

Putin's puppet and the GOPee are collaborating with the Russian mafia state. The puppet was installed to tear everything apart. The puppet is a puppet mobster in a transnational crime organization. He was mobbed up ever since his daddy. Especially mobbed up with casinos, NYC construction. Money laundering for the Russian mob via real estate.

The governor of Minnesota (Walz) said he misspoke when he claimed the NSA was helping to track white supremacists and other non-Minnesotans agitating and destroying shit.

I believe that the NSA was probably helping. The NSA can track foreign signals, like bad actors in other nation states fueling the disruption.

The whole ousting of Al Franken was republican mafia ratfucking. Garrison Keillor got shut up too. Keillor was one of the first voices to speak out about George W. Dumbass and said the GOP had gone off the rails. They shut him up too.

Manafort handed over Minnesota polling data to the Russians before 2016. The data must have shown that Minnesota was stealable, but somehow they could not pull it off.

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