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SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:04 PM Jun 2020

If he is facing a sound defeat, chickenshit trump may drop out

Faced with certain defeat, say in early October, and the polls show him losing badly trump has three options

He might try to stop the election on the pretext of some emergency, resurgent covid pandemic, mail in ballot fraud, or starting a nuclear war. Of course he can’t postpone the election on his own as many point out repeatedly that elections are run by the states. But if he could persuade or threaten enough republicans run states to postpone their elections he could assure Biden couldn’t get enough electoral college votes from the Democratic states to get to 270. This seems like a long shot. But plausible.

Or

He could do nothing prior to the election and try to fight the results in court and in the streets. He could incite his MAGA “army” of gun nuts to swarm to DC to protect him and kill any opposing protestors. This seems likely but is doomed to fail. The upper brass of the Pentagon has already told him this week that he’s not using their troops to kill Americans and his MAGA horde isn’t going to fight the army who mobilizes to remove him from power. Unless it is agonizingly close SCOTUS won’t save him either.

Or

He may drop out. He can’t face LOSING but may try to save face and come up with some medical excuse and say “I’m having heart trouble and I’m dropping out.” This would fit his pattern of being a chickenshit and coward. The last thing on earth he could accept is losing. If he knows he’s going to lose in November and can’t strong arm his way to stay in power he is most likely to cut and run.

He may just bail on the Republican Party 4 weeks before the election.

You heard it here first.

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If he is facing a sound defeat, chickenshit trump may drop out (Original Post) SoonerPride Jun 2020 OP
not sure his ego could stand "admitting" a health problem Kali Jun 2020 #1
Which humiliation is worse to him - faking illness or finally admitting it or malaise Jun 2020 #7
hard to say, he sure hates humiliation in general Kali Jun 2020 #11
Don't tease malaise Jun 2020 #14
LOL Kali Jun 2020 #15
Welp. sheshe2 Jun 2020 #39
After 18,000 lies that wouldn't pass malaise Jun 2020 #40
Sad Sack has bad back Blue Owl Jun 2020 #25
He sleeps well draft dodging with bone spurs. TheBlackAdder Jun 2020 #61
It's his only option.... President Pence can pardon him.. secondwind Jun 2020 #2
he will try to start a foreign war Skittles Jun 2020 #3
I still think he may try to lob nukes at Iran SoonerPride Jun 2020 #10
yes Skittles Jun 2020 #23
Wishful Thinking ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #4
Maybe. I thought so when it was closer SoonerPride Jun 2020 #8
Your Reasons Make Sense, But... ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #27
I've known a person with NPD SoonerPride Jun 2020 #48
I Get You! ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #50
I've been saying that for ages and I'm not the only DUer to post it malaise Jun 2020 #5
GMTA SoonerPride Jun 2020 #9
These are all options he would put on the table leftieNanner Jun 2020 #6
Or he might pay an MD to write a note that says he has bone spurs. fierywoman Jun 2020 #12
Hahahahaha SoonerPride Jun 2020 #21
They'll metastasize. Patterson Jun 2020 #31
If he decides to drop out, he will declare victory first and claim that he has done more Arkansas Granny Jun 2020 #13
Oh but of course. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #17
Or, they fake an assassination and use it as a pretext for martial law. ZZenith Jun 2020 #16
I don't doubt martial law is in the offing SoonerPride Jun 2020 #19
Don't count on it. LisaL Jun 2020 #18
Or he could just leave. C_U_L8R Jun 2020 #20
I thought for a long time he would flee to Russia SoonerPride Jun 2020 #22
all this and llashram Jun 2020 #24
He would bomb people first. spanone Jun 2020 #26
"You heard it here first." Well... intrepidity Jun 2020 #28
Oooof. My bad. GMTA! SoonerPride Jun 2020 #30
Heh, no worries, gmta indeed intrepidity Jun 2020 #32
No way he'll quit. Kablooie Jun 2020 #29
Nah. cwydro Jun 2020 #33
He's so nuts, it's hard to tell what he'll do CanonRay Jun 2020 #34
You heard it here second essme Jun 2020 #35
If the last HORRIFYING 3.5 years have taught me Golden Raisin Jun 2020 #36
I just want him to drop... TheCowsCameHome Jun 2020 #37
I keep sticking pins in my trump doll SoonerPride Jun 2020 #44
This takes me back sarisataka Jun 2020 #38
Shudder SoonerPride Jun 2020 #43
none of the above qazplm135 Jun 2020 #41
People also said early on he'd get bored and quit. SMC22307 Jun 2020 #42
He did quit. He quit pretending like he was working long ago SoonerPride Jun 2020 #45
Nonsense. He's dismantling this country... SMC22307 Jun 2020 #49
Trump will not do anything. The election will go on as planned. marie999 Jun 2020 #46
What's more likely BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #47
Traitor45's term and Pence's will end on Jan 20, 2021 per the 20th Admendment tikka Jun 2020 #51
NO CHANCE he drops out. BadGimp Jun 2020 #52
Of that I have no doubt. But the generals told him no SoonerPride Jun 2020 #53
Answer: no, no and no... brooklynite Jun 2020 #54
Look at the EC map with Dem controlled states SoonerPride Jun 2020 #55
Always check your math before submitting your exam... brooklynite Jun 2020 #56
He has the Saudis on speed dial for a reason. not_the_one Jun 2020 #57
Well, he could use the "wanna spend more time with the family" ploy... Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #58
"I need to help tutor, um, whats his name again? Oh yeah Barron. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #59
Or... Lock him up. Jun 2020 #60

Kali

(55,006 posts)
1. not sure his ego could stand "admitting" a health problem
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:08 PM
Jun 2020

but if they can come up with some kind of excuse I agree, and could see him quitting.

malaise

(268,822 posts)
7. Which humiliation is worse to him - faking illness or finally admitting it or
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:12 PM
Jun 2020

losing bigly?

I'll take losing for $2,000!

Kali

(55,006 posts)
11. hard to say, he sure hates humiliation in general
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:15 PM
Jun 2020

maybe we will get lucky and the dilemma will cause some kind of arterial rupture.

sheshe2

(83,706 posts)
39. Welp.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:40 PM
Jun 2020

He could say that he is going to spend time with his family, due to a severe medical condition after Malaria had a second kidney surgery and it did not go well. Her kidneys now are as bloated as his ass.

Just a thought.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
2. It's his only option.... President Pence can pardon him..
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:08 PM
Jun 2020

BUT NY Attorney General is still waiting in the wings..............





SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
10. I still think he may try to lob nukes at Iran
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:15 PM
Jun 2020

One or ten.

Just because he is a psychopath.

And once that started who knows if Russia would reply in kind because why not?

I’m terrified of that.

Skittles

(153,137 posts)
23. yes
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:22 PM
Jun 2020

look at how he's managing these crises

imagine him starting a nuclear issue or handling a nuclear crisis

November still feels very far away.

ProfessorGAC

(64,928 posts)
4. Wishful Thinking
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:09 PM
Jun 2020

I share your desire to have him end this nightmare himself.
But, the race is the only part of the gig he likes.
He's not going to drop out while the only part he enjoys is ongoing.
Even if he's on his way to getting trounced, he'll count on some dirty tricks to get it close enough to steal.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
8. Maybe. I thought so when it was closer
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:12 PM
Jun 2020

I figured he’d fight and run to the bitter end.
And if he lost he’d scream and whine and refuse to leave.

But when I heard of the shouting match with generals I think he realized he’s not going to have the army keep him in power.

That changed my thinking. I think he will bail out and run away.

Because above all else he is a coward

ProfessorGAC

(64,928 posts)
27. Your Reasons Make Sense, But...
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:26 PM
Jun 2020

...I'm not sure that such a conclusion applies when there's a malignant narcissist in the equation.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
48. I've known a person with NPD
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 06:04 PM
Jun 2020

And that leads me to think he may try to run away.

Having to face a humiliating public loss would be more than he could take.

I mean he literally would lose his mind.

So he may cut and run

ProfessorGAC

(64,928 posts)
50. I Get You!
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 06:10 PM
Jun 2020

And that too makes sense.
But, he's already setting the rationalization for losing. "It's rigged"
His face saving mechanism is already in place.
If he loses, he was cheated blah, blah, blah.
I hope you're right. I really do. But, I just don't see it.

leftieNanner

(15,072 posts)
6. These are all options he would put on the table
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:10 PM
Jun 2020

The only problem with his dropping out is he still needs to get outta Dodge because of those delicious indictments waiting for him as soon as he leaves the White House. He knows they all have teeth and he won't have Billy Barr fixing things for him. Whether he loses or he drops out, he will need to get away or face the first serious consequences he has ever had to deal with in his life.

It's all very scary for us.

And yet, I look forward to the day when his miserable fraudulent life catches up with him.

Arkansas Granny

(31,511 posts)
13. If he decides to drop out, he will declare victory first and claim that he has done more
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:16 PM
Jun 2020

for humanity than anyone else in the history of the world.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
17. Oh but of course.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:18 PM
Jun 2020

He may say I have already accomplished everything and my work here is done.

Hell he says that shit NOW!

ZZenith

(4,116 posts)
16. Or, they fake an assassination and use it as a pretext for martial law.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:18 PM
Jun 2020

That’s my prediction. The church visit was a dry run.

C_U_L8R

(44,994 posts)
20. Or he could just leave.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:19 PM
Jun 2020

Using his remaining months to stuff his pockets and pardon his family and co-conspirators. Using the proceeds (and dumb investor dollars) to start the Trump Channel to feed his needy fragile ego... which, sooner than later, will follow the same lackluster fate as Trump Steaks, Trump Air, Trump University and the Trump Presidency.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
22. I thought for a long time he would flee to Russia
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:21 PM
Jun 2020

Board his personal 747 in the dead of night and flee to Russia.

Problem is Putin has no use for him out of power and he’d fall from a hotel window in a tragic accident within a week

llashram

(6,265 posts)
24. all this and
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:24 PM
Jun 2020

I think d.trump is our Jim Jones POTUS. After the conventions, we shall see, Aug. SEPT. OCT. what kind of trouble we are in. Overnight in 2016, we went from class to crass, so I do so hope Joe Biden and his advisors pick well. I do prefer a woman this time.

intrepidity

(7,281 posts)
28. "You heard it here first." Well...
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:27 PM
Jun 2020

I posted this thread on March 11 and was ridiculed:

I predict Trump will resign before October

Last edited Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:43 PM -
Edit history (1)

Could be sooner, much sooner. He will walk away and leave this mess in Pence's lap.

Bookmark it.

ETA: It's disheartening to see so many in this thread who are assuming a "business-as-usual" backdrop to this prediction and our near-term future. I foresee massive disruption to our country from covid19, exacerbated by the critical delay in response, which has pivoted us from potential containment to merely mitigation. Disruption is a huge key factor.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213073946

Kablooie

(18,618 posts)
29. No way he'll quit.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:28 PM
Jun 2020

He has a lot more at stake than ego.

There are many lawsuits ready to go in January after he loses the protection of the presidency. Many are criminal felonies and could result in jail time.

If he remains president the statute of limitations will be exceeded by the time he leaves office so the cases will be dropped.

He's going to fight tooth and nail to remain president.
He will use every trick his minions can think up, legal and illegal, to confuse and obfuscate the election results.

CanonRay

(14,093 posts)
34. He's so nuts, it's hard to tell what he'll do
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:31 PM
Jun 2020

Even money on dropping out or staging a coup when he loses.

essme

(1,207 posts)
35. You heard it here second
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:33 PM
Jun 2020

I have written this before

I fully expect him to drop out in the Fall. I also think that he is in horrible financial trouble-- so, broke plus being the most hated man in the US probably does cause enough stress for heart problems.

Golden Raisin

(4,606 posts)
36. If the last HORRIFYING 3.5 years have taught me
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:35 PM
Jun 2020

anything, it is not to rely on old norms and that anything can happen (and probably will.) November is a LONG way away. I'm not counting any chickens and expecting only the worst from Trump & Co. I sincerely hope I am wrong.

sarisataka

(18,521 posts)
38. This takes me back
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:39 PM
Jun 2020

To the heady days of 2016. We were marching to the bank with a bag full of victory that was 100% guaranteed.

The only question was would our candidate be able to reach 500 Electoral votes, or could we dare hope, the first 50 state and DC sweep.

After all, he never wanted to be President anyway.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
43. Shudder
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:44 PM
Jun 2020

Don’t make me relive that nightmare

That dark passage won’t repeat itself this time.

Biden isn’t a woman. I fully expect sexism played a huge part in why Hillary Clinton “lost”

That and Russian AND CIA I interference.

Trump drew an inside straight and that won’t happen again

God I hope not.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
41. none of the above
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:43 PM
Jun 2020

he won't drop out because he will only allow people to tell him he's going to win.
He can't do the other things.

So, he will lose. Then he will whine and complain and threaten but no one will pay much attention because he's a lame duck loser.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
45. He did quit. He quit pretending like he was working long ago
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:46 PM
Jun 2020

He stays upstairs until noon watching tv and tweeting

And spends nights at rallies and weekends golfing.

This pandemic really messed up his routine.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
49. Nonsense. He's dismantling this country...
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 06:06 PM
Jun 2020

doen't matter whether his fat orange ass is lounging in bed or planted behind the Resolute desk. You know he wants Nepotism Barbie as the first female president -- you think he's going to give up the power of that office?

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
46. Trump will not do anything. The election will go on as planned.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:48 PM
Jun 2020

If he loses the election, he will whine and tweet, and on January 20, 2021, he will pack his bags and leave. The Republicans will not do anything to help him.

BannonsLiver

(16,337 posts)
47. What's more likely
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:59 PM
Jun 2020

Is that if he is beaten soundly and has no real play to hold on to power he will resign and pence will pardon him for any federal crimes he may have committed while in office. I don’t think he quits until he gets something tangible out of it.

tikka

(762 posts)
51. Traitor45's term and Pence's will end on Jan 20, 2021 per the 20th Admendment
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 06:12 PM
Jun 2020

Although they will challenge his removal in the Supreme Court, they wouldn't have standing in the court case after that date would he? Would the newly designated Speaker of the House become President?
It seems a major disaster, war, or political shenanigan before the election or before the Electoral College votes that would cause a major shift in favor of them being re-elected. As of now, it doesn't look like they have the political capital to stay.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
53. Of that I have no doubt. But the generals told him no
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 07:21 PM
Jun 2020

So I think his secret hope of commandeering the army to stay in power is gone.

Without muscle to fight for him he may run away.

It’s probably just a fever dream.

But let me dream anyway!

brooklynite

(94,439 posts)
54. Answer: no, no and no...
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 07:30 PM
Jun 2020

1) As you point out, he can’t cancel what are State elections; but neither can he block Biden by getting Republican States to change the rules, because those States doh’t matter. He could try to block voting in Republican States that Biden wants to EXPAND to, but if Biden holds Clinton’s States, all he needs are PA, MI and WI...which now have Democratic Governors.

2) Sorry, but conspiracy theories like this are both meaningless and inconsequential. For everyone challenging police violence, consider how powerful police forces and National Guard troops are. Even a Republican state wouldn’t let Trump supporters run rampant.

3) for Trump to drop out, he would have to accept the reality of his losing, which is inconsistent with his narcissism, and be willing to claim that he was “weak” in some way. Won’t happen.

brooklynite

(94,439 posts)
56. Always check your math before submitting your exam...
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 07:50 PM
Jun 2020

Add PA, MD, DC, CT and RI to the Democratic tally (at s minimum)

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
57. He has the Saudis on speed dial for a reason.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:12 PM
Jun 2020

If he loses and refuses to leave, he will die. The military will not protect him. And his dog, Toto, too. (metaphorically speaking)

If he loses and stays in this country, he will be jailed. (ditto Toto...)

He and Jared have been grooming the Saudis for just such a scenario.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
59. "I need to help tutor, um, whats his name again? Oh yeah Barron.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 08:43 PM
Jun 2020

Or is it Baron? I can never get that right.”

Lock him up.

(6,925 posts)
60. Or...
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:25 PM
Jun 2020

He could plot with his puppetma$ter putin (or vlad could suggest to him) Russia shooting a "fake" missile and NORAD intercepting it at a predetermined location in the air, so dRumph could then brag about "saving millions of US lives" ...

The Russian mob wants him back for life (to destroy the US, NATO, and everything Obama did).

I'm posting this for, buckle up. They will try anything. Be prepared and tell people not to fall for any Russian "fake" aggression, if any!

Lock him up!

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