Booker says he would sooner die than allow Trump to refuse to concede the election if he's defeated

[highplainsdem]

CNN article - this is their very long headline

Cory Booker says he's 'concerned' Trump won't accept election results in defeat but 'would sooner die' than let that happen

which not only wouldn't fit as the thread title, but was a bit confusing since I thought at first he meant Trump would sooner die than concede.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/10/politics/cory-booker-trump-2020-election/index.html

Sen. Cory Booker said Wednesday that he's "concerned" President Donald Trump might refuse to concede if he loses the 2020 presidential race and declared that he'd "sooner die" than let that happen.

"I would sooner die. And I mean that very seriously, I would sooner die than to see my nation's constitutional tradition of peaceful transfers of power to be vacated by a demagogue who won't humble himself," the New Jersey Democrat, a former 2020 presidential candidate, said during an interview on SiriusXM's "The Clay Cane Show."

His comments come as the President continues to push unfounded claims about voter fraud ahead of November's general election. Before his win in 2016, Trump had said he would accept the election results "if I win."

"This President has already shown his willingness to trample constitutional norms," Booker said Wednesday.

-snip-

Booker also said that Trump having peaceful protesters tear-gassed so he could have his church photo-op was "a bit of a stress test" that showed him "that should we have a greater stress test of him trying to delegitimize an election and remain in power, that there are people in other positions of power that will not let that happen. And I'm one of them."

[elleng]

1. He doesn't have to 'concede,'

it's a fait accompli, if the electors do their jobs. (Sorry about electoral college, that's a fight for another day.)

[ancianita]

7. I hope from the day he loses he also loses his Twitter account. No more dogwhistles to his base.

[lame54]

2. I have a spare room that...

Joe can run the country from

Put a lock on Trump's gate and leave him there

[Xipe Totec]

12. Save the room for a different guest. But pad it first.nt

[mopinko]

3. and someone out there would rather die.

someone will rise up to take him down.
count on it.

[Renew Deal]

4. He doesn't need to concede

And he will leave.

[beachbumbob]

5. trump has no say in who stays in the WH

I love to watch the US Marshalls marching ass out. Should make it a pay for view show

[I_UndergroundPanther]

6. Nooo!

I have antenna tv, I wanna see him dragged out and thrown in the street in the cold January rain.and left there until he finds a way back home all by himself in his soaked suit whining like a 2 year old. Nobody caring,walking right past him like he was not there.

[Mr.Bill]

10. He will still have Secret Service protection.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

14. Trump should have that revoked

And deal with it whether he likes it or not
. He should be dumped in the street. He deserves it

[Progressive Jones]

18. I don't think it's ever been done, but I suppose Congress could hammer that out. nt

[I_UndergroundPanther]

20. Yes that would be reasonable

Considering who he is.

[not_the_one]

24. If he is not in the country I think that "protection" may go away...

And if he loses and is run out, he won't stay here. We will be humiliating him 24/7. Plus all the other shit will come out.

[retread]

46. Even in prison?

[wnylib]

25. What if attempts by US marshalls

to remove Trump are met by a show of force from his RW militia supporters, prison guards, etc.?

[ooky]

28. 😂

[Mr.Bill]

29. They will be no match for the

US military who will be under the command of the new President.

[wnylib]

37. Which side will Blackwater be on?

Agree that prison guards would be no match for professional military.

But militias are well-armed with stockpiled weapons and gear. Their leaders and several members are former military. There are several of them in each state across the country. Even if they lost in the end, they could create a lot of havoc and disruption before then.

George III said the ragctag colonial militias and army were no match for British soldiers.

I am not advocating for open fighting between political sides. I hope it never happens. But given who the political opposition is in this case, it ssems to me like a good idea to be prepared.

[Volaris]

30. It wont come to that. When the electoral college certifies his loss,

on jan 20 joe biden will be the official president. If trump wants to not leave, the secret service will remove him from the building for trespassing.

After that, he can try n incite all the insurrection he wants, it wont work...cause nobody in any kind of official capacity with any kind of power will listen to him.

Itd be nice tho, if there was a New York state or Manhattan DAs subpoena waiting for him when he exits the building...

[wnylib]

38. The VP or President Pro Tempore

of the Senate presides over the certification process. That would be Pence or Grassly. You have more faith in their integrity than I do.

So you don't believe that Trump would rely on military groups like Blackwater to back him - before the votes are certified? Or that there are well armed RW militias that he could call on to join Blackwater? You don't think it's possible for a RW coup to occur in the US? Nothing in the words or actions of Trump, his supporters in ICE, Blackwater, and militias, as well as in the Senate and House suggests to you that they would attempt a RW coup?

I hope you're right.

[murielm99]

32. What, The Beer Belly Brigade?

That is the only help he will get.

[wnylib]

39. That's one image of RW militia

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members. Another image is the slim, fit Timothy McVeigh with his military training and experience.

For a more realistic view of RW militias, there is a well researched book, Bring the War Home: The White Power Movement and Paramilitsry America, by Kathleen Belew.

[obamanut2012]

41. hahahahaha

Oh wait, you are serious.

[wnylib]

47. Not really serious, of course. I mean,

it's not like Trump would ever defy or ignore legal documents. Or use armed agencies against citizens in the streets. Or look to armed militias for support. After all, has it ever occurred in history that a leader could establish a dictatorship by declaring a national emergency and using personal militias?



.

[samsingh]

8. Why do smart people like Booker not get it

trump does not have to concede. When the election results are certified a winner is chosen. On Jan 20 2021 he is no longer president. Biden could issue orders from anywhere and they would be obeyed as the new President.

why create fear in the population?

[pnwmom]

16. Trump might be able to stop the election results from being certified, if he went

to a cooperative court for an order.

[Progressive Jones]

19. He's not beneath a stunt like that, but it wouldn't work. nt

[murielm99]

33. That does not mean he would get to stay on as President.

Nancy Pelosi would be President, the way I see it. If no one else has been certified as elected, and no President sworn in, she is it.

[obamanut2012]

42. Exactly this -- at noon January 20, 2021, Trump is no longer President

Pence is no longer VP. Nancy Pelosi would be acting President.

[beachbumbob]

40. no way to stop states from certifying their results, this is all conspiracy theory bullcrap

[obamanut2012]

43. Yup, and it's in thread after thraed

[samsingh]

48. Exactly

[wnylib]

35. Fortunately for the nation

Trump, his supporters in Congress, and his supporters among voters have always had respect for the rule of law, for court orders and decisions, and for constitutional principles. They are not the kind of people to foment rebellion, refuse to follow court decisions or use force against political opponents or citizens.
(Ironic hyperbole)

So when VP Pence or Senate President Pro Tempore Chuck Grassly presides over the certification of the electoral college votes, and declares Biden the official winner, the transition will go smoothly.
(more ironic hyperbole)

What could possibly go wrong in this process? We can count on the integrity of the courts, especially SCOTUS, to render impartial decisions if requested to intervene in an election. We can count equally on the integrity of VP Pence and Senator Chuck Grassly.
(even more ironic hyperbole)

The US would never split in two as the result of an election, with two separate presidents, each acknowledged only by his own followers, and each side with its own fighting force to back itself up.
(Does it even need to be said again?)

Could never happen here.

[Hortensis]

9. Well, whatever might happen, no one's going to "allow" him.

Trump's term ends at noon Jan 20 and he's no longer president. Biden is. Glad of Sen. Booker's commitment, of course. He'll have been sworn in with the rest of the 117th congress on January 3.

[Gymbo]

11. Wouldn't it be funny

If they had to use gas to make him evacuate the White House?

[Hassler]

13. Let POUTUS lock himself in his bunker. He'll come out as

Soon as his bucket of KFC doesn't appear.

[aquamarina]

15. Fuck 45

It’s our house and at high noon on January 21,2021 he can either leave on his own or be walked out by the Secret Service.

[wnylib]

36. Will Trump dismiss his private goons

from prisons and National Guard from RW states so the SS or federal marshalls can physically remove him? Will the private RW militias that back him stay out of it?

[obamanut2012]

44. Did you strain your back from that stretching and twisting?

Let it go. It will not happen. There will be no military coup that will keep Trump in office. His goons cannot handle the might of the US Military, nor the Guard.

[wnylib]

49. whatever

[JoeOtterbein]

17. Good.

We all need to be ready to defend our great UNITED States of America.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

21. Conceding is irrelevant.

Whoever gets the most votes -- or in the case of the Presidency, the most Electoral College votes -- wins. The loser's concession is meaningless.

[mudstump]

22. January 20 his term ends...period...Pence too.

They would be forcibly removed from the White House.

[mudstump]

23. Maybe we will need to use tear gas and rubber bullets to get him and his ilk out of the WH.

[Raine]

26. Concede or not when it's over it's over

January 20, 2021 the power shifts to the winner, the loser has no power left. I don't know why anyone would think otherwise, it's ridiculous.

[obamanut2012]

45. OP after OP after OP on here

It is exhausting.

[LiberalBrooke]

27. He won't concede but that's too bad for him. Joe Biden will be President.

don the big baby con can just throw his tantrum as he is being carried out of our White House. He will be removed physically if he does not go willingly.

[C Moon]

31. I always feared Trump refusing to accept the election and staying in office,

but after watching the U.S. in the past month, including the protests and the Republicans abandoning Trump, I believe that would be the scenario, and if he did attempt to defy the election results, he would be physically removed.

[TristanIsolde]

34. I like Booker

He just wears his heart on his sleeve in a very endearing way. A bit goofy but who cares, you don't need to be as polished as Obama.