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Skincare CEO Karen Calls Police on Man of Color for Stenciling Black Lives Matter on His Own Home
A San Francisco Karen was filmed calling the police on a man of color after she saw him stenciling Black Lives Matter on a neighborhood wall. Turns out that wall was part of the mans own home.
Wrote Jaimetoons on Twitter: A white couple call the police on me, a person of color, for stencilling a #BLM chalk message on my own front retaining wall. Karen lies and says she knows that I dont live in my own house, because she knows the person who lives here. #blacklivesmatter
In the video shared by Jaimetoons, the Karen, who was later identified as Lisa C. Alexander, the founder and CEO of Laface Skincare, and another man are seen questioning Jaimetoons about whether its his property, telling him that hes free to express his opinion but that he cant do what hes doing.
Its private property, insisted Alexander.
But if I did live here and this was my property this would be absolutely fine, Jaimetoons responded. And you dont know if I live here or if this is my property.
We actually do know, Alexander snapped back. We know the person who does.
Link to tweet
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https://www.towleroad.com/2020/06/skincare-ceo-karen/?fbclid=IwAR26AzVByJDeD0k941LkEei0UyBjWENx2qS33Tg5OsXzgElgE4-2C8F3XTw
Freethinker65
(10,048 posts)tulipsandroses
(5,127 posts)I wonder what would happen if black people started questioning the things that they find annoying by white people and demanding that they answer them. SMDH, everytime I see white people demanding black people answer them. Thinking they have the right to stop and question black people at their will. I wonder what would happen if the tables are turned?
Mariana
(14,860 posts)CatWoman
(79,302 posts)She was also dumped by the subscription beauty service Birchbox, which tweeted: We condemn the actions of Lisa Alexander. We have not worked with LAFACE for several years & as a result of the CEOs actions today have officially cut ties with them. Weve removed their products from our website & will not be working with them in the future. #blacklivesmatter
https://www.towleroad.com/2020/06/skincare-ceo-karen/?fbclid=IwAR26AzVByJDeD0k941LkEei0UyBjWENx2qS33Tg5OsXzgElgE4-2C8F3XTw
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)Trolls get outed. They're so stupid
MLAA
(17,327 posts)What assholes that couple are.
Luz
(772 posts)See me, I woulda assumed he lived there. I probably woulda said "nice 👍", waved and kept going. He probably would have said "thanks" and had himself a good afternoon.
People should know when to mind their own business is all I'm saying.
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I thought that was SF.
Much of The City has a particular 'look'.
Plus the PG&E cover in the sidewalk was a bit of a hint.
From watching it I feel like they actually believe that they DO know that it's not his house, even though they clearly don't know that.
Also, it's clear that Karen is very aware that it 'looks bad' what she's doing ... and is acting quite polite as a result ... but she can't help herself.
It's all really trippy to me.
Not even San Francisco is immune to this crap.
Come to think of it, it's not as liberal as people think it is there overall.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)A neighbor texted me that he daughter Had seen my cat had been it by a car. I was exactly sure where so I drove around looking for him. Its wasnt long before some white dad type was following me. When I stopped he came aware and asked me what I was doing in the neighborhood. Said can I help you? and something about recent break ins in the neighborhood This despite me being in my late 50s driving a Prius. That is to say, I dont think is even fit the racist stereotype of a burglar except for my skin color of course. I told him to fuck off and gave him holy hell. He slunk away with his tail between ins legs.
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)In our little cul de sac. He used to clime on peoples roofs and spy on peoples going ons though their sky lights. He deeply loved one little guy and used to wait for her to get home from school everyday. We all cried when we lost him.
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Fascinating.
spooky3
(34,476 posts)Whether stenciling his own wall is different from walking around with an extreme face lift.
aeromanKC
(3,327 posts)Well, that's odd, I do not know you.
Beakybird
(3,333 posts)spooky3
(34,476 posts)Media accounts.
Chiyo-chichi
(3,586 posts)sue Ms. Anderson for trademark infringement.
la-trucker
(283 posts)Stupid woman ... now her life will never be the same.
At least she was more polite than the other "Karens"
spooky3
(34,476 posts)Lisa Alexander that if they confront an actual criminal they could be putting themselves in extreme danger. They just expect the target to cower in their presence and meekly do as they ask.
Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)This is happening far too often. I get that they usually get "punished" by being outed online, but this has to be a waste of police resources and should come with some form of consequences.
madville
(7,412 posts)They have to knowingly file a false report. Reporting suspicious activity is not going to be considered a crime even if the caller is wrong.
If a subject is painting graffiti on a wall and someone calls the cops because they think it's vandalism but it's actually the painter's wall, that's not a false report if the caller doesn't know if it's legit or not. Being wrong does not equal filing a false report.
LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)He was 1000x more calm and reasonable than I would have been.
I would have said shut the fuck up you goddamned racist! You dont know me. You dont know who owns this property. You dont know if they PAID me to stencil this. You dont know if I OWN this property myself. You have no right to speak to me at all! I am not your employee or servant or slave. I dont have to fucking acknowledge you even exist. Who the fuck do YOU think YOU are. Fuck off.
Like I said. He was much more reasonable than I would be.
delisen
(6,044 posts)So who is Robert, where does he work, does he own a. business, is he a privileged exec' no one wants to know ?
Is he a "karen" or does he as man get a pass?
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)cant remember the details
spooky3
(34,476 posts)incident and Lisa then took over.
See the interview:
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/on-air/as-seen-on/raw-james-juanillo-full-interview/2309020/
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)volstork
(5,403 posts)Botox.
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)or is that a skinny dildo?
Im suppose to want to look like that?
Im gonna make myself a drink , and thank my lucky stars.
betsuni
(25,618 posts)madville
(7,412 posts)are to a conservative PAC, WINRED. Go figure........
spooky3
(34,476 posts)Lock him up.
(6,941 posts)She checks all the boxes.
She should run for the Russiapublican nomination in 3 years.
She would get nominated for sure.
Lock him up.
yardwork
(61,705 posts)She sounded like she was talking to a child. That's a "tell" for racism and attitudes of white superiority.
She assumed that he was not the owner, and felt she had the right to "correct" him, as if he didn't know any better.
As a white woman, watching that made me furious.
Goodheart
(5,340 posts)Choose your battles, really.
yardwork
(61,705 posts)She spoke in a condescending manner, assuming that he didn't have the right to do what he was doing, as if he didn't even know better.
Her behavior made my skin crawl. She would have behaved very differently if she hadn't assumed that she was superior to him. Her behavior is the definition of racism.
Goodheart
(5,340 posts)yardwork
(61,705 posts)Nobody is going to hurt you. It's just the internet. People disagreeing with you are nothing to fear. See? It's ok.
Cha
(297,655 posts)omg!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)That's what I would have done. Why make everything into a confrontation?
Internet fame I guess.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)yardwork
(61,705 posts)Watching it, I feel angry too. Everything in the woman's approach was condescending and demeaning to him.
She assumed that he was vandalizing private property, and she even assumed that he didn't know any better. She spoke to him as if he were a child. She patronized him, "praising" him for his signs ("that's good" she says) but explaining in condescending tones that writing on other people's property is wrong.
Her behavior was the definition of racism and attitudes of white superiority. I'm glad that she's been exposed.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)It was the woman who demanded to see the black man's papers who started the confrontation, not the black man who chose not to submit to her interrogation.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)But if someone came up to me and asked that, I would be happy to point out that it was my property.
Ymmv.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)to be in your own space, just because they think people of your race probably shouldn't be there but they have a right to demand that you justify your presence to them.
When it happens enough, you wouldn't be quite so "happy to point out" that you have every right to be there.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)she just managed to be "nice nasty".
essme
(1,207 posts)She was talking down to the homeowner.
I am so sick of these people- I am glad they are being shunned on social media.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Phony "nice" or "polite" then stabbing you in the back. Or in this case, the front. We all know she wouldn't have spoken the same way to a bunch of white kids drawing on the sidewalk. No fear, reality.
spooky3
(34,476 posts)As soon as he caught her in a lie about knowing the homeowner, it was very clear what was behind her behavior. If she were well-intentioned, when he asked his question, she should have realized what she had done, and apologized profusely, and introduced herself as a neighbor. Then she should have gone home and reflected on her racism and privilege.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And we know the people using it on us aren't being "respectful."
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I guess YOU see what you want to see. She was being a know it all, condescending, racist Karen.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)What make people like this think an adult Black man needs to answer to them? The should mind their own damn business...maybe if enough of them lose their jobs, their companies...it will end.
Goodheart
(5,340 posts)I'd call the cops, too.
Easy enough to clear that up.
And I'd want others, black or white, to intervene if my property was being written upon.
I don't see the outrage here. Sorry.
blueniteflower
(38 posts)There have been people who have died because someone called the police on them. She is allowed to lie, especially by claiming to know who lives there? If the police showed up, it doesn't matter what the man says or even shows his ID, they are going to believe her. Look at various reports of black people in nice neighborhood. A black doctor got arrested for helping the homeless right outside his home because someone called the cops on him. So yes, this is a problem.
Goodheart
(5,340 posts)And we don't know for sure that she did.
Also, would you disband all neighborhood watch groups? Because that's essentially what they do. Look out for other people's property.
Sorry, I'm not outraged. You can be. But that's on you.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Doesnt always work out so well.
Community policing coming your way.
RockRaven
(14,998 posts)The person who lives there is the man she was accosting. She lied to try to justify her interference and got caught doing it.
Quixote1818
(28,968 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)yardwork
(61,705 posts)Goodheart
(5,340 posts)No outrage here. Sorry. If she genuinely believed she knew the owner of the property I support what she did.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)And, I'm glad to see people calling you out.
So, it's okay she did this to the guy who owned the house, because she sincerely thought she knew the guy who lived there, even though it was the guy in front of her whom she called the cops on.
Like wtaf.
I see you.
Goodheart
(5,340 posts)Turns out she didn't. She lied. That became clear to me later with follow up investigation.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)Skittles
(153,193 posts)CatWoman
(79,302 posts)Skittles
(153,193 posts)I was screaming that at my cat last night
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)Skittles
(153,193 posts)CatWoman
(79,302 posts)Stop it!!
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)I'm not outraged, I'm amused. And I'm only given the luxury to be amused in this case, because we are seeing this video rather than a video of the cops harassing him, or hurting him or killing him.
But I'm also angry, because this is racism on display, and racism makes me angry. She thought she was right, and she lied, because she was so confident she was right. And the only way she could honestly think she was right is if she was a racist. He wasn't behaving badly. He wasn't breaking a law. But there was no way, in her mind, that that man could own that property and legally do that.
Do you think if a blonde, white child was writing #BLM with chalk she would have reacted the same way? Would she have thought it was cute?
This is how white people who don't think they are racist are, sometimes, actually racist. Women who would do this, or who would watch this and think she was being polite or respectful. And this is why all white people need to check themselves and work harder.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And the "Oh, come ON. She was just asking him a question!" reactions here are perfect illustrations of how they work.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)business. I hope she and all like her go bankrupt.
scrabblequeen40
(334 posts)That's the question. How would you know that the "graffiti" artist was the owner? By his "looks?"
Lisa Alexander apparently didn't know who lived there, but saw "graffiti" and jumped to conclusions.
I'm all for "see something, say something" but if that something is merely the man's skin color, you got no business policing other people based on their looks. You could be wrong. And that black guy could be dead.
That's the reason why people are outraged.
Goodheart
(5,340 posts)so, yes, I'm going to have to agree that she lied, jumped to conclusions, probably on an expectation of who would be living there.
That's not acceptable.
I do agree with her when she says "Being a good neighbor is important where everyone takes care of each other.
Still not outraged.
Solomon
(12,319 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)is your privilege..
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)scrabblequeen40
(334 posts)To be clear, are you saying you're okay with putting black peoples' lives at risk because "that's what good neighbors do?"
Really? No outrage?
Wow. That's privilege right there.
Goodheart
(5,340 posts)He ENCOURAGED HER TO DO IT. Twice, in fact.
I'm not saying that he was under any obligation to tell her, but this would have been no situation at all if he had told her from the start that he was the property owner. Instead, he wanted to make a point. He made it. It's a good one.
She made a racist presumption about ownership and that's bad, very bad. That part is loathsome. He demonstrated that. Bravo. But, no, I'm still not outraged that she called the police. I'll repeat... he wanted her to.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/06/14/black-lives-matter-pacific-heights-video-confronted-lisa-alexander-jaimetoons/
Calling the cops over freakin' chalk is ridiculous. You and I both know she wouldn't have done the same to a bunch of white kids writing cheerful messages to their mail and delivery persons.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)He didn't have to tell her a damn thing. I hope she loses her company.
niyad
(113,553 posts)Tink41
(537 posts)is the reason for the outrage. Based on human patterns of behavior if he was defacing property the response would have been different. She should have recognized that right away. For example 'if you catch someone in the act of doing anything they should not be doing, 99% of the time they are going to take off." Or perhaps start to argue loudly. NOT calmly almost on the verge of laughter respond to your query.
SiliconValley_Dem
(1,656 posts)pathetic
Iggo
(47,565 posts)Video to the contrary.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)it's like an epidemic lately
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)happening every minute somewhere. We are only seeing stuff that got recorded. It makes me happy to see the reaction is swift, almost immediate - that should be a lesson to those wanna pull their inner Karen. She could have gotten him killed via a racist cop.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)It lets us know who the racist assholes are.
I am glad the government does not prevent these assholes from outing themselves.
The first amendment rocks!
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)and runs (an obviously successful) dog-walking business.
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/06/14/black-lives-matter-pacific-heights-video-confronted-lisa-alexander-jaimetoons/
Didn't check to see if posted above, but I found it interesting.
albacore
(2,406 posts)Did you notice the neighborhood? Hardly "ghetto". And the guy was using a stencil, fercrissakes! You know many antifa/activists/whatever who use stencils? And chalk? This is a very mild revolutionary.
What's the problem with just minding your own fucking business?
demmiblue
(36,885 posts)Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)because being a piece of shit racist pretty much speaks for itself and Lisa C. Alexander deserves to be exposed for what she is and she can take her Laface Skincare products and stick them up her ass
but how fucking stupid does someone need to be to continue on like this when they are being recorded on video?
The mindbogglingly dumb arrogance of the these Karens is astounding
spooky3
(34,476 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 14, 2020, 02:38 PM - Edit history (1)
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/on-air/as-seen-on/raw-james-juanillo-full-interview/2309020/FreeState
(10,580 posts)Seems like a great guy and the interview was very interesting. Almost had to laugh when he took ownership of his Karen.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,242 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)CA is heavily represented in these videos. Funny.
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)But strange that she appears to lives quite a few homes down the street. Seriously doubt she knows more than one or two people in the area.
PatSeg
(47,587 posts)and Bitdefender blocked the page: The certificate used to encrypt your connection to this website does not match the domain it was issued for. Attackers might try to steal sensitive information from you, such as passwords or credit cards.
spooky3
(34,476 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)Now off to look. For those of you not in CA, .... Ignorant, condescending pieces of shit, 80% chance they are an SC grad.
For the liberal SC grads, I apologize. Sad that you picked a school full of ignorant, condescending pieces of shit.
Now off to check my theory.