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(130,901 posts)NO f'ing reason to put handcuffs on him.
usaf-vet
(6,186 posts)Just as many police departments around the country have policies to cut off high-speed chases to "protect" innocent people from being hurt. Why not cut off foot pursuit until the adrenaline level on both sides wanes. Let the fight or flight situation cool down.
Bring more manpower to the situation and do as they do in high-speed chases. Put out an APB on the subject.
You have his car his driver's license. He has a taser that to the best of common knowledge is a one-shot weapon until it is "reloaded". Secondly, all police forces consider the taser as a NON-lethal weapon. So at the distance, he was shot from how was he an immediate threat to that cop. There was already back up on the scene.
The officer in foot pursuit wasn't in immediate danger and alone. The suspect had one thought on his mind. RUNAWAY. Run as far away as possible. How was he a threat to ANYONE else at that point?
I'm no expert but it seems to me there was a chance that the suspect might in fact have realized that his only real option was to turn himself in. Hopefully with an attorney in tow.
Would it have turned out differently if the suspect had been white?
Cross-posted from: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017587663
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Did they just shoot a handcuffed, innocent man for no reason? I am not quite sure what I saw and heard here. If they did they should spend the rest of their lives in prison.
elleng
(130,901 posts)deteriorated from there.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Maybe firing it, And running away.
A bad shoot, as he was running away and not a threat.
tulipsandroses
(5,124 posts)There really ought to be a national standard for using deadly force. This cannot be the solution.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)resisting the police, or even for running away with an officer's taser gun. It must be to prevent death or serious bodily harm; the courts will have long established what "serious" means. Normally state standards can be more stringent but must meet federal at a minimum.
(a) Deadly force means that force which a reasonable person would consider likely to cause death or serious bodily harm. Its use may be justified only under conditions of extreme necessity, when all lesser means have failed or cannot reasonably be employed. A protective force officer is authorized to use deadly force only when one or more of the following circumstances exists:
(1) Self-Defense. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to protect a protective force officer who reasonably believes himself or herself to be in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm.
(2) Serious offenses against persons. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the commission of a serious offense against a person(s) in circumstances presenting an imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm (e.g. sabotage of an occupied facility by explosives).
(3) Nuclear weapons or nuclear explosive devices. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the theft, sabotage, or unauthorized control of a nuclear weapon or nuclear explosive device.
(4) Special nuclear material. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the theft, sabotage, or unauthorized control of special nuclear material from an area of a fixed site or from a shipment where Category II or greater quantities are known or reasonably believed to be present.
(5) Apprehension. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to apprehend or prevent the escape of a person reasonably believed to: (i) have committed an offense of the nature specified in paragraphs (a)(1) through (a)(4) 1 of this section; or (ii) be escaping by use of a weapon or explosive or who otherwise indicates that he or she poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the protective force officer or others unless apprehended without delay.
1 These offenses are considered by the Department of Energy to pose a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm.
(b) Additional Considerations Involving Firearms. If it becomes necessary to use a firearm, the following precautions shall be observed:
(1) A warning, e.g. an order to halt, shall be given, if feasible, before a shot is fired.
(2) Warning shots shall not be fired.
Rollo
(2,559 posts)And call his girlfriend to come pick him up, or give him a ride in the squad car to wherever he spends his nights? His car could have stayed parked right where it was. Or, even towed would be better than dead. Dang.
elleng
(130,901 posts)Community policing gone wrong.
Community policing gone wrong.
Cop really didn't need to ask him all those questions.
It was.obvious he was drunk.
He needed a way to get home safely
It went downhill when the cuffs went on.
I guess they felt they needed to cuff him for DWI citation?
What if cops arranged a ride home instead?
SunSeeker
(51,554 posts)He offered to walk home. He said his sister and daughter were nearby. But they kept trying to get him to admit he drove drunk so they could arrest him. They just cared about getting him to incriminate himself so they could arrest him, they weren't trying to diffuse the situation. He wasn't hurting anyone. The cop was sadistic. They just cared about making an arrest, instead of caring about the human being in front of them. He should have let Brooks call his sister or girlfriend to pick him up.
Here's the best advice when stopped by cops:
dalton99a
(81,486 posts)The accusations and insinuations are meant to provoke.
It's the complete opposite of how they interact with white people.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)He was at least in the middle of the parking lot, asleep. (There appear to be cars in front of him and behind, but it isn't clear whether he is in line or just randomly stopped in the middle of the lot)
But he is asleep in his car, in the middle of the lot. It takes banging on the windows, and ultimately opening the door and shaking him to get him awake, at which point he moved the car to the parking space you see it in.
That does not make shooting him as he runs away acceptable, but it does justify a need to investigate how drunk or otherwise impaired. Falling asleep or passing out in the middle of the parking lot suggests significant impairment.
SamKnause
(13,103 posts)A decent human being would have allowed the man to lock up his car.
A decent human being would have allowed him to call someone to pick him up.
A decent human being would have taken him home.
I fucking hate all of them !!!!!!!!!!!!
Judges, juries, and executioners.
Fuck all of them !!!!!!!!!!!
They won't stop until every U.S. citizen has a police record.
This country is cruel and insane !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Fucking cop did not want to talk about anything except his drinks. Over and over and over again. 😩😩
Many, many times Ive seen cops tell the person go home and sleep it off . Cops have DRIVEN people home, with a wink and a nod..... DAMN.
lostnfound
(16,179 posts)This website shows this exact same video purportedly at a link in the top. If you forward it to someone, the video thats on top simply shows Mr. Brooks in his car followed by the fight. They cut out this entire conversation, leaving the impression that he had NOT cooperated. The SECOND video shows they conversed calmly and he took a breathalyzer test it looks to me to be 0.08. He seems to say that his wife dropped him off there at his car.
https://www.11alive.com/mobile/article/news/local/rayshard-brooks-wendys-shooting-bodycam-dashcam-video/85-3826b660-726f-4eb6-901f-e3e0f849baac
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)He was asleep in the middle of the lot. The had to open his door and shake him to wake him, after banging on his window for a while. That is why they are fixated on what he had to drink.
I agree there were far better ways to handle it than slapping handcuffs on him, and even if the state requires an arrest for DUI, it doesn't justify shooting him for running away.
But someone passed out on a car in the middle of a parking lot is impaired (even if they are just exhausted from pulling a double shift), and police to determine the cause (to make sure there isn't more going on - like a diabetic emergency), then get him to safety without letting him drive off in the car. Calling his daughter would be nice. Taking him home would be nice. Letting him walk would be nice. Shooting him when he panics is unacceptable, even you don't know whether he has a weapon other than your taser, since you stupidly didn't do a weapon check before trying to handcuff him without warning.
lostnfound
(16,179 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)The jerk who was asking the incriminating questions? That's my guess, but I don't know.
Not necessary!