i can't stand this guy but i agree with what he says here. and it chills me.

[orleans]

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bill kristol tweets:
"You look at the polls and think "he can't win." But Trump's path to victory doesn't depend on persuading Americans. It depends on voter suppression, mass disinformation, foreign interference, and unabashed use of executive branch power to shape events, and perceptions, this fall."
6:52 AM · Jun 22, 2020

[PufPuf23]

1. I agree with Kristol's statement but find next to nothing agreeable

about Kristol

Kristol is not his statement.

Kristol states the obvious because he can.

But Kristol positions himself and those he champions for the future, the goals haven't changed. Just Trump has outlived his usefulness.

[wnylib]

5. Bingo!

[elias7]

17. FWIW, Kristol has been critical of Trump since the beginning...

[wnylib]

23. I should have been more specific.

My Bingo comment was in response to the last sentence in the post which said that Trump has outlived his usefulness.

In general, R's who criticize Trump now are doing it because they want a different frontman for their agendas. The tide has turned regarding Trump. They need a new angle, a new presentation of their goals and policy preferences.

There are exceptions. As you point out, some have always been critical of Trump. George Will is another one. And George Conway.

[Kablooie]

2. Yep. It will probably be John Roberts who decides.

It will be thrown to the Supreme court and we know how every other justice will vote.

[GusBob]

3. I sometimes wonder about the electoral college

I know it's a pipe dream and in 2016 I laughed up my sleeve at folks who were saying that patriotic members of the electoral college should refuse to certify Trump as president

Now I wonder if they look around at present events, look back and think: ya know, maybe we made a lil mistake. Would they let that happen again?

It's a bit like Kapernick, folks are falling all over themselves saying how he was right for taking a knee

[druidity33]

12. That's on SCOTUS' docket during this session. nt.

[ProfessorGAC]

14. In Theory, They're Supposed To Vote By Conscience

But, it's little more than a state by state rubber stamp.
The framers actually had concerns of a demagogue confusing the masses. It wasn't their main reason for the EC, but it was at least a small part. But, that consideration was nonexistent in 2000, 2004, & 2016.

[aeromanKC]

4. James Carville: We have to BURY HIM!!!!

Which is why Carville is right, we need to win / beat Trump in a landslide. Everyone needs to GOTV!!!!!

(This will also help Dems keep the House and pick up the Senate.)

[Wounded Bear]

6. So much this...nt

[onetexan]

9. +1 -K&R

[pansypoo53219]

7. beware the teevee gnewz coddling the MFer AGAIN. for ratings.WTF radditz letting that

get away w/ spamming reality + spewing the morons bullshit.

[ProfessorGAC]

15. Is It Getting Ratings?

That's the open question they need to ask themselves.
6,200 show up in a 19k+ capacity building, with some leaving early, after no rallies in months.
Is the act getting stale?
Is it really drawing viewers?
Even Faux, with their crowing about great Saturday night ratings, got pinched when data shows their normal Saturday night viewership is 30 to 50 thousand. So, a doubling is only 30 or 50 thousand more people. And that's on Faux.
They claim millions streaming, but given the number of possible routes, they did not have enough time to compile those numbers before the bragging began.
I'm not so sure that PINO is all that good for business anymore.

[JI7]

8. This is exactly what I am worried about. If we knew we would have fair elections

I would not worry as much. We could focus on the usual things to help bring out the vote.

But I worry about them doing things to prevent people from voting. To prevent certain votes from being counted. And other shit they will pull.

[Hortensis]

20. Agree. We win fair elections, and this one we'd win yoooge. nt

[Awsi Dooger]

10. That is exactly the formula

And the formula is aided immensely by the fact that we nominated an old man. I love Joe Biden but logically he is going to make mistakes and come across as old at various points during the general election.

I am flabbergasted that anyone can look at an 8-12 point poll margin and somehow conclude it is legitimate and will maintain throughout...with nothing to worry about.

[Rhiannon12866]

11. He's right. That's what happened in 2016. We need to GOTV and support voting-by-mail

[2naSalit]

13. I've found that I agree with him more lately

Even though I have loathed him for decades. He's correct, though. What we do know at this point is who our allies are in this nightmare and we will need them right now. Those allies, so far, are the judiciary and the House.

[JHB]

16. So why repeat him rather than hundreds of other people also warning of this?

"Attaboy, Always-Wrong-Bill! You succeeded in stating the obvious after repeatedly hearing it from not-always-wrong people!"

[Hortensis]

22. Because he says it so well, and we're on the same side in this. nt

[smirkymonkey]

18. I know it's unlikely, but there is always the chance that Trump may not last until

the election. First of all, the man has a knack for destroying everything he touches and he in a downward spiral. I honestly think that the Covid-19 situation and the economy are only going to get worse between now and November.

Also, there is the issue of his health. Both physical and mental. They are both deteriorating at a rapid rate and he may not be capable of finishing out his term.

Then there are always the wild cards. Something could pop up unexpectedly that could throw his administration into a tailspin. A scandal, a slew of resignations, his tax forms being released, etc. Or we could have a devastating hurricane or two that make landfall in the south in which he completely bungles the response. The threat of World War. There are a number of things that can go wrong between now and then.

The biggest advantage they have is their potential to cheat and that is it. We need to do everything we can to stop it. I honestly don't think he can win unless they get away with it again. We are forewarned this time.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

19. He should have followed it with, "Trust me, I know."

He's probably aware of similar things during the Dumbya years.

[Mr. Ected]

21. Hate him all you want, but heed his words

Conventional wisdom will not win this election. The votes you're counting on may never be counted. Those votes may be stolen before, during or after the election. Whatever evils we experienced in 2016 - the extent of which we don't know because the truth was successfully suppressed - will pale in comparison to the maelstrom that we will be facing.