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grumpyduck
(6,235 posts)NonPC
(305 posts)If he gave a hoot about his law license, that ship sailed long ago...
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)I do not think he can be AG without being an attorney.
BComplex
(8,051 posts)Fingers crossed!!!
elleng
(130,908 posts)so NYS if it's applicable; likely DC, I suspect he's admitted there too.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)soon, if ever.
elleng
(130,908 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)money, the disciplinary process that leads to disbarment is long, slow and eventually lands in the state Supreme Court. But I can only speak to NJ. Maybe DC process is easier and faster.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And disbarment won't force him out of office since there's no legal requirement that an Attorney General be licensed - or even that they have a law degree.
He should be dsbarred, even if he is, that won't get him out of the way.
List left
(595 posts)Can they disbarr him?
tRump
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Just keep the pressure on. The more organizations that speak against him, the better. He needs to know that his behavior is not being tolerated. He needs to feel the heat. We need a critical mass of condemnation and calls for his resignation. He needs to know how disrespected his is throughout the entire nation.
LuvNewcastle
(16,846 posts)to represent cases in federal court or is it enough to be certified in a single state?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,693 posts)someone who is also admitted to practice in the federal district court for that state can appear before a judge and move your admission. After I passed the bar for my state and was sworn in about a million years ago, my dad, also a lawyer, moved my admission to the federal district court before a judge he'd appeared before many times. I think he was prouder than I was.
LuvNewcastle
(16,846 posts)If that's the case, we could be playing whack-a-mole with him for years. If he were disbarred in NY, I guess he could go take the bar in some other state and be re-certified by one of those Trump-appointed judges, couldn't he?
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)ethical breach could we admitted in another state
LuvNewcastle
(16,846 posts)That should be enough to keep him from being admitted to any bar, but there's a lot of crooked lawyers out there. I'd like to see him disbarred, but he'll probably retire before that happens.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,693 posts)"of good character" and fit to practice law, which is not decided by any judge but by a state's board of law examiners. The specifics of what "good character" means depends on the jurisdiction, but that could be quite a hurdle for Barr at this point, especially if he had already been disbarred in another state. And most 70-year-olds are not going to want to take the bar exam again, because it's very difficult, specific to the law of a particular state, and requires you to regurgitate all the stuff you learned in law school. I doubt very much that Barr would be able to handle a bar exam addressing the fine points of proximate cause, promissory estoppel or the Rule Against Perpetuities.
LuvNewcastle
(16,846 posts)Maybe the evil bastard will retire after he's done as AG. If he measures success by his level of chicanery, he's probably quite proud with himself.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)I finished law school but never took the bar. I decided to go the business route and never looked back,but as I recall, the three areas you cited were among the most convolutes priciples of contracts, crim/torts and property law.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,693 posts)I did have to deal with the first two concepts when practicing law but I never ran into the Rule Against Perpetuities. I remember what it is, though. If you've ever seen the excellent movie Body Heat, it's the key to the mystery.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)I real cant recall, I just remember it was a very slippery concept, kind of like the subjunctive past tense in Spanish grammar
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,693 posts)It says certain future interests must vest, if at all, within 21 years after the death of a life in being at the time that the interest is created. It gives people headaches and has been superseded by statutes in a lot of states. I don't know Spanish subjunctive past tenses but I do know German dative prepositions and the rule of subject-verb inversion in Norwegian independent clauses; and the Rule Against Perpetuities is worse.
burrowowl
(17,641 posts)Then there is Japanese adjective conjugation.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)I cannot imagine EVER doing that again. Thank gawd I passed!!!! I told myself at the time, it was one shot at this and NEVER again. Less than 30% of the takers in my bar passed. If there had been a real property question on the written part, I might not have passed. In all the years I practiced, I dont ever recall a case dealing with fee simple absolute. Why, oh why, did I have to learn that RP shit?!?!?
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)sponsor. You did need to pass the Committee on Character though which Barr would undeniably fail today.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Admission to the state bar is a license to practice law in the state, including, but not limited to appearing in state courts. But in order to appear in any federal court in that state, a lawyer has to go through the process you describe.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Its basically just a swearing in.
malaise
(268,999 posts)for visibility
ffr
(22,670 posts)Get legs. Justice must prevail!
onetexan
(13,041 posts)wnylib
(21,466 posts)onetexan
(13,041 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)🤣 This should be interesting.
Dan
(3,562 posts)If Trump is defeated in 2020 - there is no way in hell that Trump is going to give out a lot of pardons. He is a vindictive son of a bitch and he will blame everyone else for his failure to be re-elected. So, that list of pardons that Barr has created (much like he did before) - I just don't think that Trump's going to do it, and that joke will be on all his enablers!
dlk
(11,566 posts)Every state where Barr is licensed to practice should immediately begin disbarment proceedings. He has repeatedly violated the law and is a complete disgrace to the profession. If legal ethics are to have any meaning at all, Barr needs to face the consequences of his crimes. Either the rule of law matters or its a fiction. Theres no middle ground here.