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NYCBarAssn Task Force-"We are of the view that the latest events have now rendered Mr. Barr unfit.." (Original Post) EleanorR Jun 2020 OP
That's great, but will anything come of it? grumpyduck Jun 2020 #1
Nope -- And He Doesn't Care NonPC Jun 2020 #15
If the state Bars he is admitted to all disbar him he would not be qualified to hold his position. Dustlawyer Jun 2020 #35
Is it the New York Bar that can pull his license? BComplex Jun 2020 #2
Any state where he's been admitted can 'pull' his accreditation, elleng Jun 2020 #16
It's takes quite a lot of time an effort to disbar an attorney. It is not going to happen anytime Pepsidog Jun 2020 #20
Right, but maybe easier than 'impeachment.' elleng Jun 2020 #22
Probably impeachment easier and faster. Unless an attorney admits to a crime or steals client's Pepsidog Jun 2020 #23
He won't be disbarred before the election StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #27
Can they? List left Jun 2020 #3
K&R smirkymonkey Jun 2020 #4
Does an attorney have to take a separate bar exam LuvNewcastle Jun 2020 #5
No. Once you're admitted to the bar for your state, The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #6
Thanks. I always wondered how that worked. LuvNewcastle Jun 2020 #7
The bar is given twice a year. At least back in my day, however, I would think that someone which an Dream Girl Jun 2020 #9
He's unbelievably corrupt. LuvNewcastle Jun 2020 #12
In order to be allowed to take a bar exam you have to be The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #10
Well that's encouraging. LuvNewcastle Jun 2020 #11
I'm having flashbacks! I highly doubt he could pass the bar exam Dream Girl Jun 2020 #19
Yes, they are. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #26
It Rule against perpetuities more of a wills and estates of property law concept or both, Dream Girl Jun 2020 #29
It's in a peculiar little niche in property law called future interests. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #32
Wow that rule must be really bad! burrowowl Jun 2020 #34
Lord, I took the Cal bar over 37 years ago. TruckFump Jun 2020 #30
Rules for admission are different in most States. When I was admitted In NJ I did not need a Pepsidog Jun 2020 #21
Right StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #28
Just need one admission in a State to then be admitted to the Federal Bar. TruckFump Jun 2020 #25
K & R malaise Jun 2020 #8
Kicking and Recommending! ffr Jun 2020 #13
Which state did LowBarr get his Bar admission from? onetexan Jun 2020 #14
Barr is licensed in NY state and DC. wnylib Jun 2020 #17
ooooh then LowBarr's in a world of trouble onetexan Jun 2020 #18
Well, well...New York. You don't say!!! TruckFump Jun 2020 #31
The only thing that is going to stop Barr is jail Dan Jun 2020 #24
Let the disbarments begin! dlk Jun 2020 #33

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
35. If the state Bars he is admitted to all disbar him he would not be qualified to hold his position.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 07:50 PM
Jun 2020

I do not think he can be AG without being an attorney.

elleng

(130,908 posts)
16. Any state where he's been admitted can 'pull' his accreditation,
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 09:27 PM
Jun 2020

so NYS if it's applicable; likely DC, I suspect he's admitted there too.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
20. It's takes quite a lot of time an effort to disbar an attorney. It is not going to happen anytime
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 09:45 PM
Jun 2020

soon, if ever.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
23. Probably impeachment easier and faster. Unless an attorney admits to a crime or steals client's
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:02 PM
Jun 2020

money, the disciplinary process that leads to disbarment is long, slow and eventually lands in the state Supreme Court. But I can only speak to NJ. Maybe DC process is easier and faster.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
27. He won't be disbarred before the election
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:16 PM
Jun 2020

And disbarment won't force him out of office since there's no legal requirement that an Attorney General be licensed - or even that they have a law degree.

He should be dsbarred, even if he is, that won't get him out of the way.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
4. K&R
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 07:45 PM
Jun 2020


Just keep the pressure on. The more organizations that speak against him, the better. He needs to know that his behavior is not being tolerated. He needs to feel the heat. We need a critical mass of condemnation and calls for his resignation. He needs to know how disrespected his is throughout the entire nation.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
5. Does an attorney have to take a separate bar exam
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 07:45 PM
Jun 2020

to represent cases in federal court or is it enough to be certified in a single state?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
6. No. Once you're admitted to the bar for your state,
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 07:51 PM
Jun 2020

someone who is also admitted to practice in the federal district court for that state can appear before a judge and move your admission. After I passed the bar for my state and was sworn in about a million years ago, my dad, also a lawyer, moved my admission to the federal district court before a judge he'd appeared before many times. I think he was prouder than I was.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
7. Thanks. I always wondered how that worked.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 08:07 PM
Jun 2020

If that's the case, we could be playing whack-a-mole with him for years. If he were disbarred in NY, I guess he could go take the bar in some other state and be re-certified by one of those Trump-appointed judges, couldn't he?

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
9. The bar is given twice a year. At least back in my day, however, I would think that someone which an
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 08:30 PM
Jun 2020

ethical breach could we admitted in another state

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
12. He's unbelievably corrupt.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 08:51 PM
Jun 2020

That should be enough to keep him from being admitted to any bar, but there's a lot of crooked lawyers out there. I'd like to see him disbarred, but he'll probably retire before that happens.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
10. In order to be allowed to take a bar exam you have to be
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 08:31 PM
Jun 2020

"of good character" and fit to practice law, which is not decided by any judge but by a state's board of law examiners. The specifics of what "good character" means depends on the jurisdiction, but that could be quite a hurdle for Barr at this point, especially if he had already been disbarred in another state. And most 70-year-olds are not going to want to take the bar exam again, because it's very difficult, specific to the law of a particular state, and requires you to regurgitate all the stuff you learned in law school. I doubt very much that Barr would be able to handle a bar exam addressing the fine points of proximate cause, promissory estoppel or the Rule Against Perpetuities.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
11. Well that's encouraging.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 08:45 PM
Jun 2020

Maybe the evil bastard will retire after he's done as AG. If he measures success by his level of chicanery, he's probably quite proud with himself.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
19. I'm having flashbacks! I highly doubt he could pass the bar exam
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 09:38 PM
Jun 2020

I finished law school but never took the bar. I decided to go the business route and never looked back,but as I recall, the three areas you cited were among the most convolutes priciples of contracts, crim/torts and property law.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
26. Yes, they are.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:16 PM
Jun 2020

I did have to deal with the first two concepts when practicing law but I never ran into the Rule Against Perpetuities. I remember what it is, though. If you've ever seen the excellent movie Body Heat, it's the key to the mystery.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
29. It Rule against perpetuities more of a wills and estates of property law concept or both,
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:20 PM
Jun 2020

I real can’t recall, I just remember it was a very slippery concept, kind of like the subjunctive past tense in Spanish grammar

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
32. It's in a peculiar little niche in property law called future interests.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:35 PM
Jun 2020

It says certain future interests must vest, if at all, within 21 years after the death of a life in being at the time that the interest is created. It gives people headaches and has been superseded by statutes in a lot of states. I don't know Spanish subjunctive past tenses but I do know German dative prepositions and the rule of subject-verb inversion in Norwegian independent clauses; and the Rule Against Perpetuities is worse.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
30. Lord, I took the Cal bar over 37 years ago.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:25 PM
Jun 2020

I cannot imagine EVER doing that again. Thank gawd I passed!!!! I told myself at the time, it was one shot at this and NEVER again. Less than 30% of the takers in my bar passed. If there had been a real property question on the written part, I might not have passed. In all the years I practiced, I don’t ever recall a case dealing with “fee simple absolute.” Why, oh why, did I have to learn that RP shit?!?!?

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
21. Rules for admission are different in most States. When I was admitted In NJ I did not need a
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 09:50 PM
Jun 2020

sponsor. You did need to pass the Committee on Character though which Barr would undeniably fail today.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
28. Right
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:20 PM
Jun 2020

Admission to the state bar is a license to practice law in the state, including, but not limited to appearing in state courts. But in order to appear in any federal court in that state, a lawyer has to go through the process you describe.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
25. Just need one admission in a State to then be admitted to the Federal Bar.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:13 PM
Jun 2020

It’s basically just a swearing in.

Dan

(3,562 posts)
24. The only thing that is going to stop Barr is jail
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:12 PM
Jun 2020

If Trump is defeated in 2020 - there is no way in hell that Trump is going to give out a lot of pardons. He is a vindictive son of a bitch and he will blame everyone else for his failure to be re-elected. So, that list of pardons that Barr has created (much like he did before) - I just don't think that Trump's going to do it, and that joke will be on all his enablers!

dlk

(11,566 posts)
33. Let the disbarments begin!
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 07:27 PM
Jun 2020

Every state where Barr is licensed to practice should immediately begin disbarment proceedings. He has repeatedly violated the law and is a complete disgrace to the profession. If legal ethics are to have any meaning at all, Barr needs to face the consequences of his crimes. Either the rule of law matters or it’s a fiction. There’s no middle ground here.

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