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soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 05:27 PM Jun 2020

Novel swine flu discovered in China -- and it has potential to create a second pandemic: report

Hey, maybe people will start wearing masks.


https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/novel-swine-flu-discovered-in-china-and-it-has-potential-to-create-a-second-pandemic-report/

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The world could be facing a second pandemic as COVID-19 continues to spread across the globe.

“A new strain of flu that has the potential to become pandemic has been identified in China by scientists. It emerged recently and is carried by pigs, but can infect humans, they say,” the BBC reported Monday.

“The researchers are concerned that it could mutate further so that it can spread easily from person to person, and trigger a global outbreak. They say it has ‘all the hallmarks’ of being highly adapted to infect humans – and needs close monitoring,” the BBC confirmed. “As it’s new, people could have little or no immunity to the virus.”

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Novel swine flu discovered in China -- and it has potential to create a second pandemic: report (Original Post) soothsayer Jun 2020 OP
Lovely! 2naSalit Jun 2020 #1
What is the reason many viruses originate in China? at140 Jun 2020 #2
Aren't most Indians EllieBC Jun 2020 #3
That is a good clue, 70-80% of Indians are vegetarians. nt at140 Jun 2020 #16
This, respect for livestock as well. Chinese will eat anything, indians much more respectful. sunonmars Jun 2020 #17
It's my understanding spinbaby Jun 2020 #8
But is that the only country where people live close to their livestock? Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #11
It's a combination of the livestock situation, sanitary conditions, DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 2020 #39
I don't believe a lot of pork is eaten, nor bat. Maybe the difference AJT Jun 2020 #10
China probably has much more livestock than India. Mariana Jun 2020 #12
Urbanization (and habitat destruction), subsistence agriculture and animal markets JHB Jun 2020 #18
Indians don't eat weird animals. greymattermom Jun 2020 #21
I believe it's due to China's live meat markets, which are none too clean. Animals are sold in them Karadeniz Jun 2020 #23
I heard they eat this animal in China at140 Jun 2020 #27
I agree rockfordfile Jun 2020 #44
I saw a fascinating video recently about the origins of flu and other sicknesses Doremus Jun 2020 #35
They raise ducks, chicken, and pigs together, PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2020 #45
This is just sad news. cayugafalls Jun 2020 #4
This is where the cooperation regime that Bush set up and Obama improved comes in valuable. Blue_true Jun 2020 #25
Oh great. LisaL Jun 2020 #5
Dear gawd, what is going on? This is triple scary. Frustratedlady Jun 2020 #6
I get the feeling nature is trying to get rid of us. LisaL Jun 2020 #9
Can you blame it? We're making a big mess of things. Merlot Jun 2020 #43
Just what we fucking need! sakabatou Jun 2020 #7
For the full happiness. LisaL Jun 2020 #13
Well, Blue_true Jun 2020 #14
Proliferation of wet markets,... magicarpet Jun 2020 #15
THIS sunonmars Jun 2020 #19
self delete.... at140 Jun 2020 #20
Your post has nothing to do with the context of the OP. nt Blue_true Jun 2020 #29
Agree, I will delete it then. But it was about China. at140 Jun 2020 #33
Maybe you can start another OP about counterfeit gold. Blue_true Jun 2020 #34
What next? Rabid, flying monkeys? louis-t Jun 2020 #22
Not now. That will be in the second stanza, just before the Rapture. nt Blue_true Jun 2020 #30
Given a choice, I prefer locusts. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2020 #24
Oh, god damn..... cmon China Afromania Jun 2020 #26
They are trying to get ahead of this one before it jumps to humans. Blue_true Jun 2020 #31
Well, now that trumpf and his CDC, FDA, etc. are prepared,,, we're doomed erronis Jun 2020 #28
Welcome to the twenty-first century. hunter Jun 2020 #32
Now there's the 1918 redux. roamer65 Jun 2020 #36
My guess is that if China is bamagal62 Jun 2020 #37
As I recall, they were debating whether covid can be transmitted from humans to humans. LisaL Jun 2020 #38
I agree. EllieBC Jun 2020 #41
I know I probably won't be around at the beginning of 22nd century, marie999 Jun 2020 #40
Time to invest in more masks soothsayer Jun 2020 #42
Boy photokath Jun 2020 #46

at140

(6,110 posts)
2. What is the reason many viruses originate in China?
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 05:30 PM
Jun 2020

India is more crowded and dirty, but do not hear many viruses originating there. I am curious. Anyone knows the answer?

EllieBC

(2,993 posts)
3. Aren't most Indians
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 05:32 PM
Jun 2020

vegetarians? I don’t think they have as many live animal markets. Seems to spread easily if you have those.

spinbaby

(15,088 posts)
8. It's my understanding
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 05:34 PM
Jun 2020

That it’s common for people too live in close proximity to pigs and poultry in rural China. New diseases appear when the viruses hopscotch from species to species. The 1918 flu was thought to originate in Kansas for the same reason.

Sugarcoated

(7,716 posts)
11. But is that the only country where people live close to their livestock?
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 05:37 PM
Jun 2020

I've wondered myself why these diseases predominately start in China...

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,918 posts)
39. It's a combination of the livestock situation, sanitary conditions,
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 06:28 PM
Jun 2020

And the sheer population size. The more people and livestock you have together, the greater chance of a jump. Poor sanitation makes it worse.

JHB

(37,157 posts)
18. Urbanization (and habitat destruction), subsistence agriculture and animal markets
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 05:44 PM
Jun 2020

People and animals in close quarters under conditions that make it easier for viruses to jump from one host species to another.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2020-03-04/why-so-many-epidemics-originate-in-asia-and-africa


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[Rapid urbanization] on that scale means forest land is destroyed to create residential areas. Wild animals, forced to move closer to cities and towns, inevitably encounter domestic animals and the human population. Wild animals often harbor viruses; bats, for instance, can carry hundreds of them. And viruses, jumping species to species, can ultimately infect people.

***

On both continents, many families depend on subsistence farming and a minuscule supply of livestock. Disease control, feed supplementation and housing for those animals is extremely limited. Cattle, chickens and pigs, which can carry endemic disease, are often in close contact with each other, a variety of nondomestic animals and humans.

And not just on the farms: Live animal markets, commonplace throughout Asia and Africa, feature crowded conditions and the intimate mixing of multiple species, including humans. This too plays a key role in how a killer pathogen could emerge and spread between species.

***

So is traditional Chinese medicine, which purports to provide remedies for a host of conditions like arthritis, epilepsy and erectile dysfunction. Although no scientific evidence exists to support most of the claims, Asia is an enormous consumer of traditional Chinese medicine products. Tigers, bears, rhinos, pangolins and other animal species are poached so their body parts can be mixed into these questionable medications. This, too, is a major contributor to increasing animal-human interactions. What's more, demand is likely to go up, as online marketing soars along with Asia's relentless economic growth.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
21. Indians don't eat weird animals.
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 05:45 PM
Jun 2020

Many Hindus are vegetarian and Muslims eat Hallal meat, very similar to Kosher.

Karadeniz

(22,483 posts)
23. I believe it's due to China's live meat markets, which are none too clean. Animals are sold in them
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 05:46 PM
Jun 2020

That the rest of us wouldn't eat, but germs get spread around.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
35. I saw a fascinating video recently about the origins of flu and other sicknesses
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 06:24 PM
Jun 2020

Apparently up until 10,000 years ago, humans were cold- and flu-free. Then we started domesticating animals and that's when our troubles began. IIRC, horses gave us the common cold, birds and pigs several strains of flu,and so on.

Moral of the story is that animals eventually extract their revenge when we exploit them for our own purposes, be it for food, beasts of burden, etc.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,830 posts)
45. They raise ducks, chicken, and pigs together,
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 07:27 PM
Jun 2020

and I believe they tend to eat each others' feces. They all pass the influenza virus back and forth but are not affected by it. It's the passing back and forth that leads to it evolving so rapidly.

There was a time when European peasants kept their livestock in their homes, and I believe that at least some of the old-time childhood diseases, for example measles, came about when something jumped from cattle to humans.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
25. This is where the cooperation regime that Bush set up and Obama improved comes in valuable.
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 05:47 PM
Jun 2020

It would have had our scientists in China working hand in hand with Chinese scientists to get ahead of this threat. Of course, Trump eliminated all of that.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
6. Dear gawd, what is going on? This is triple scary.
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 05:34 PM
Jun 2020

We have our usual flu outbreak coming up, plus the second coming of COVID-19.

If Mother Nature is trying to cut back on the population of the world, she's doing a pretty good job. Give us a break.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
14. Well,
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 05:41 PM
Jun 2020

I guess there is nothing more fitting after a hard kick on one ass cheek than a hard kick on the other one.

magicarpet

(14,138 posts)
15. Proliferation of wet markets,...
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 05:41 PM
Jun 2020

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(begin snip)

But researchers of zoonotic diseases — diseases that jump from animals to humans – pinpoint the wet markets in mainland China as particularly problematic for several reasons. First, these markets often have many different kinds of animals – some wild, some domesticated but not necessarily native to that part of Asia. The stress of captivity in these chaotic markets weakens the animals' immune systems and creates an environment where viruses from different species can mingle, swap bits of their genetic code and spread from one species to another, according to biologist Kevin Olival, vice president for research at the EcoHealth Alliance. When that happens, occasionally a new strain of an animal virus gets a foothold in humans and an outbreak like this current coronavirus erupts.

(end snip,.... much more at link)

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/01/31/800975655/why-theyre-called-wet-markets-and-what-health-risks-they-might-pose

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
34. Maybe you can start another OP about counterfeit gold.
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 06:07 PM
Jun 2020

But, the problem seems to be a worldwide one.

One thing about China is it has greate scientists and engineers, but a few of them take on a Wild West mentality.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
24. Given a choice, I prefer locusts.
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 05:47 PM
Jun 2020

At least they're edible in case of famine.......

Will tRump pay attention to this one?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
31. They are trying to get ahead of this one before it jumps to humans.
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 05:57 PM
Jun 2020

Our scientists should be there helping out.

erronis

(15,208 posts)
28. Well, now that trumpf and his CDC, FDA, etc. are prepared,,, we're doomed
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 05:50 PM
Jun 2020

They've perfected messages that will send some large portion of dimwits to bleach (or ammonia) bottles, to crowd together in mosh pits and suck each other's, to obfuscate any messages about masks, social distancing, hand-washing, etc.

They've perfected messages to have millions of people in the US to self-destruct.

Who would want the US to self-destruct? And how will trumpf and family make it safely to the USSR? And will their remains ever be found?

hunter

(38,308 posts)
32. Welcome to the twenty-first century.
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 05:58 PM
Jun 2020

It's pandemics and global warming catastrophes all the way down.

We could fix this by quitting fossil fuels and meat.

We could promote realistic sex education and birth control.

We won't.

bamagal62

(3,245 posts)
37. My guess is that if China is
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 06:24 PM
Jun 2020

Saying “it could” jump to humans, means it probably already has. There’s usually about a 3 month lag from them finding something and then admitting it to the world. Great. Just great.

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
38. As I recall, they were debating whether covid can be transmitted from humans to humans.
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 06:26 PM
Jun 2020

So, I am afraid it could be the case.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
40. I know I probably won't be around at the beginning of 22nd century,
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 06:35 PM
Jun 2020

but I don't think there will be too many humans will be around by then.

photokath

(47 posts)
46. Boy
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 07:34 PM
Jun 2020

This kind of sucks! Hopefully by then we will have a good administration and president, BUT I won't hold my breath.

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