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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,179 posts)
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:43 PM Jul 2020

8-year-old girl fatally shot near Rayshard Brooks' memorial site

Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms told protesters Sunday to “clear out” of an area where Rayshard Brooks was killed by police last month after an 8-year-old girl was fatally shot over the weekend near the site.

You shot and killed a baby,” she said in a news conference. “Enough is enough.”

Bottoms said the girl, Secoriea Turner, was shot while riding in a car with her mother and a friend after they tried pulling into a parking lot. The site had been barricaded after Brooks was killed June 12 killing at a Wendy’s parking lot south of downtown Atlanta, prompting weeks of protests against racial injustice and police brutality.

Atlanta interim police Chief Rodney Bryant said the driver was confronted by a group of armed people who had blocked the entrance, which was less than a half-mile from the Wendy’s.

“At some point someone in the group opened fire, striking the car multiple times,” he said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/8-year-old-girl-fatally-shot-near-rayshard-brooks-memorial-site/ar-BB16n3us?li=BBnb7Kz

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8-year-old girl fatally shot near Rayshard Brooks' memorial site (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2020 OP
Apparently no one cares enough to comment on this tragedy MichMan Jul 2020 #1
I think a lot people want to comment but can't/won't HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #4
Post removed Post removed Jul 2020 #5
Yeah sure is. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #7
Last time it was this bad the inner cities were flooded with cheap drugs blm Jul 2020 #13
I have zero doubt that Trump wants riots and violence. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #16
+100 agree with you second paragraph. ChazII Jul 2020 #51
I guess there's only so much outrage to go around. n/t cigsandcoffee Jul 2020 #8
Any thread on this or on the tragic incident in Seattle dies a quick death, I'm afraid.And cwydro Jul 2020 #18
I knew this but forgot - but what was the Seattle incident again? jmg257 Jul 2020 #26
Three names that have been ignored by the media ChazII Jul 2020 #34
Thanks - yep no outrage no protests. Guess that wasn't the point. jmg257 Jul 2020 #39
Were they killed by the cops? maxsolomon Jul 2020 #50
I get that. Though a TINY fraction compared to violent crime deaths, its a problem that matters. jmg257 Jul 2020 #52
And I quote, "Yes indeed HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #28
Too many guns does dog bite man uponit7771 Jul 2020 #25
What is it that you think we should be saying? maxsolomon Jul 2020 #49
Post removed Post removed Jul 2020 #57
It's awful, tragic Bettie Jul 2020 #2
Was it protesters that were angry the mother drove around the barriers? MichMan Jul 2020 #3
Why would you think it's protestors shooting? More people have blm Jul 2020 #14
The mayor and the girl's father said it was members of "our own community." cwydro Jul 2020 #19
That's not the same as protestors. There are opportunists blm Jul 2020 #32
"Armed barricade keepers" is all we can really tell from sparse reporting. Protestors involved... jmg257 Jul 2020 #42
Oh, I agree that they are opportunists. cwydro Jul 2020 #48
Seems like it was "protestors" - at least was "members of the community" according to mayor. jmg257 Jul 2020 #17
Heartbreaking. PandoraAwakened Jul 2020 #6
Interesting thread in that some posters used this tragedy to attack DU. Kingofalldems Jul 2020 #9
Interesting that you'd see it that way. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #10
Yes indeed. cwydro Jul 2020 #20
Seems cause and affect just might temper comments? jmg257 Jul 2020 #27
I'd say it's 0% that it's not the point. Kingofalldems Jul 2020 #29
I'll add illuminating as well as interesting. Kingofalldems Jul 2020 #30
A verb and an adjective. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #31
It's terrible and the person that fired the gun should be in prison for life. Fla Dem Jul 2020 #11
Yeah, we sure haven't heard much outrage about the Seattle incident. cwydro Jul 2020 #24
Well post the article for those then. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2020 #40
No idea what your point is. But sure I'll post as a separate post. Fla Dem Jul 2020 #41
Wondering if TrumPutin are swamping inner cities with cheap drugs blm Jul 2020 #12
Why? Because inner city violence is something new?? Don't think trumps help is needed, really. jmg257 Jul 2020 #44
The uptick is similar. No one said it was 'new' but you. blm Jul 2020 #47
That's what a question mark is for - ask a question. I know the answers so may be rhetorical. jmg257 Jul 2020 #53
Ok - armed people were protecting a barricade they put up and shot an 8yr old over it? WTF?!? jmg257 Jul 2020 #15
Atlanta Journal Constitution had an article about these "protesters." cwydro Jul 2020 #21
Real gems these scum bag are. Some are armed and VERY dangerous. jmg257 Jul 2020 #23
Wow, such a sweet smile. R B Garr Jul 2020 #58
Damn gun humpers...what a cluster fuck... jmg257 Jul 2020 #22
I was worried when white groups showed up at court houses around the HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #33
My feelings are very similar to yours. ChazII Jul 2020 #35
It's hard to report accurately when facts don't fit a narrative jmg257 Jul 2020 #36
While in 'other' cases we seem to know in minutes HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #38
What are you saying exactly? Kingofalldems Jul 2020 #43
I always put quote marks around the word 'other'. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #45
Sure you do. Kingofalldems Jul 2020 #46
This is nothing new here or anywhere. EllieBC Jul 2020 #54
Understand perfectly. And sadly. nt jmg257 Jul 2020 #56
Good point. nt Tipperary Jul 2020 #61
Too may guns too much anger - can't end well. Nt jmg257 Jul 2020 #37
Watched Don Lemon interviewing ChazII Jul 2020 #55
RIP, such a tragedy! I find it weird that we're suddenly seeing ecstatic Jul 2020 #59
Seems more people are dying related to protests than unarmed black men killed by police last year. jmg257 Jul 2020 #60
 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
4. I think a lot people want to comment but can't/won't
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 09:28 AM
Jul 2020

because of posting rules and/or getting alerted on.

I'm curious to see if there will be any demonstrations or protests or if it just disappears in the news cycle.

Response to HotTeaBag (Reply #4)

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
7. Yeah sure is.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 09:50 AM
Jul 2020

There's a national narrative that's been set and deviating from it will get pounced on so it's safer to just not say anything.

My own (edited) feeling is that it's absolutely horrible that this happened and keeps happening and there won't be a sign waved or a bullhorn raised or a rousing chant offered up or a freeway shut down because the murderer doesn't fit into the assigned lane. And it happens all too often.

blm

(113,084 posts)
13. Last time it was this bad the inner cities were flooded with cheap drugs
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 10:31 AM
Jul 2020

courtesy of another WH. No doubt n my mind that Trump and Putin want a race war triggered here before November.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
16. I have zero doubt that Trump wants riots and violence.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 10:44 AM
Jul 2020

And especially white vs. black - he is going full Wallace in 2020.

ChazII

(6,205 posts)
51. +100 agree with you second paragraph.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 02:22 PM
Jul 2020

Children were murdered. I prayer that someone identifies who murdered these children. At least Arron Glee was arrested and admitted to the murder in CHOP. Still it is not being covered and as you mentioned no signs being waved or bull horns being raised. It almost seems like selective outrage and that these victims don't fit the some sort of profile.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
18. Any thread on this or on the tragic incident in Seattle dies a quick death, I'm afraid.And
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:14 AM
Jul 2020

And it's interesting to see who stays completely away from these threads.

ChazII

(6,205 posts)
34. Three names that have been ignored by the media
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:06 PM
Jul 2020

Secoriea Turner - 8 yr old black female

Oluwatoyin Salau - 19 year black female killed in Seattle.

Horace Anderson, Jr. - 19 year black male killed in the CHOP zone.

maxsolomon

(33,397 posts)
50. Were they killed by the cops?
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 01:56 PM
Jul 2020

Because that's the point. The police should stop harassing and killing black people. That seemed clear to me.

If you want to start a protest movement to stop Americans from using guns to settle every perceived slight, I'm in.

maxsolomon

(33,397 posts)
49. What is it that you think we should be saying?
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 01:49 PM
Jul 2020

This was bad and it shouldn't have happened?

Does that constitute insight?

Response to MichMan (Reply #1)

Bettie

(16,124 posts)
2. It's awful, tragic
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 09:13 AM
Jul 2020

and it seems to be happening in several cities right now.

People are stressed, many are unemployed and it is hot.

Shootings always go up during the hot months for a variety of reasons, add to that the stress of, well, freaking everything going on now, it isn't a surprise.

Tragic, incredibly sad, a huge reminder that our society has far too many guns on the streets, but not particularly surprising.

fords.org/resources/publications/shootings-spike-in-summer-months/

https://nypost.com/2019/06/18/high-temperatures-can-lead-to-more-violent-crime-study-finds/

MichMan

(11,964 posts)
3. Was it protesters that were angry the mother drove around the barriers?
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 09:18 AM
Jul 2020

Heard reports there was more than one shooter.

blm

(113,084 posts)
14. Why would you think it's protestors shooting? More people have
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 10:36 AM
Jul 2020

been shot by white nationalists at these protest sites across the nation. The real protestors aren’t shooting.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
19. The mayor and the girl's father said it was members of "our own community."
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:15 AM
Jul 2020

That seems clear enough to me.

blm

(113,084 posts)
32. That's not the same as protestors. There are opportunists
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:02 PM
Jul 2020

in every community and my point is that not all being drawn to the protest sites are actual protestors, and certainly not the lethal violence that has been tracked to criminal opportunists, especially white nationalist groups. So....why assume the shooters were part of the legitimate protestors when previous shootings point to others?

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
42. "Armed barricade keepers" is all we can really tell from sparse reporting. Protestors involved...
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:53 PM
Jul 2020
Protesters had put up illegal barriers, at times flanked by armed protesters to keep police out of the area near Wendy’s. The city reportedly had tried to take down the barriers multiple times in recent weeks. Authorities had been notified of the barriers’ resurrection less than an hour before the shooting.

https://news.yahoo.com/atlanta-mayor-orders-protesters-clear-123031189.html

Hard to tell whose "legitimate" and who isn't at this point.
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
48. Oh, I agree that they are opportunists.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 01:44 PM
Jul 2020

I just object to people trying to say they must be white.

Obviously, the mayor and the family believe otherwise.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
17. Seems like it was "protestors" - at least was "members of the community" according to mayor.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 10:54 AM
Jul 2020
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1jMJgXWmYYAxL

NOT police at least.


"75 shootings in this city in last several weeks".


In a statement Sunday, police said the girl was in a car with her mother and a friend of the mother when they got off Interstate-75/85 onto University Avenue and were trying to enter a parking lot nearby. They ran into a group of armed individuals who had blocked the entrance.

“At some point, someone in that group opened fire on the vehicle, striking it multiple times and striking the child who was inside,” the statement read. The driver drove the girl to Atlanta Medical Center but she did not survive.

Police said they are seeking help from the public to identify those involved and released a wanted poster saying a person all dressed in black and another in a white T-shirt were being sought.

The mayor said there have been problems with protesters in the area putting up barriers to close off the street. She said she received a message that the barriers were back up less than an hour before she was informed that the 8-year-old girl had died.


https://apnews.com/9148d740c10fcd784867eda74055aaa5


From the father...
“They say Black lives matter,” he said. “You killed your own.”

Fla Dem

(23,739 posts)
11. It's terrible and the person that fired the gun should be in prison for life.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 10:16 AM
Jul 2020

As should all of these miscreants who have caused the death of innocents in the past week.




A 10-year-old girl and a toddler were killed in Chicago gun violence
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/28/us/chicago-children-shooting/index.html

At Least 17 Killed In Shootings In Chicago This Weekend, Including 1-Year-Old Boy And 10-Year-Old Girl
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/06/29/at-least-13-killed-in-shootings-in-chicago-this-weekend-including-1-year-old-boy-and-10-year-old-girl/

Where's the outrage over these deaths?

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,179 posts)
40. Well post the article for those then.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:31 PM
Jul 2020

Otherwise you sound like you're making a looky over there argument.

Fla Dem

(23,739 posts)
41. No idea what your point is. But sure I'll post as a separate post.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:47 PM
Jul 2020

And why shouldn't we look over there? Are we unable to acknowledge other atrocities? Is one valued less than the other?

blm

(113,084 posts)
12. Wondering if TrumPutin are swamping inner cities with cheap drugs
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 10:25 AM
Jul 2020

as part of their efforts to trigger a race war.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
44. Why? Because inner city violence is something new?? Don't think trumps help is needed, really.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:59 PM
Jul 2020
At a press conference Monday afternoon, Mayor Lori Lightfoot reiterated Superintendent Brown's call to lock up violent criminals.

"Thoughts and prayers are simply not enough at this point," Mayor Lightfoot said. "Sorrow itself is not enough and what it says is we need to do better as a city, this day, this year and really every day. There is no reason we should be feeling and experiencing moments like this."

We must keep violent offenders in jail longer. We must," Superintendent David Brown said.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7chicago.com/amp/chicago-shooting-shootings-this-weekend-violence-how-many-shot-in/6301523/

blm

(113,084 posts)
47. The uptick is similar. No one said it was 'new' but you.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 01:27 PM
Jul 2020

You are welcome to discuss this with yourself.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
53. That's what a question mark is for - ask a question. I know the answers so may be rhetorical.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 03:05 PM
Jul 2020

1)Nothing new about it. 2)No need for trump to help.

Thanks! Will use Chicago as an example.


Chicago's homicide rate had surpassed that of Los Angeles by 2010 (16.02 per 100,000), and was more than twice that of New York City (7.0 per 100,000) in the same year. By the end of 2015, Chicago's homicide rate would rise to 18.6 per 100,000. By 2016, Chicago had recorded more homicides and shooting victims than New York City and Los Angeles combined.[17] Chicago's biggest criminal justice challenges have changed little over the last 50 years, and statistically reside with homicide, armed robbery, gang violence, and aggravated battery.


In 2017, the number of homicides fell to 653,[12] dropping to 561 in 2018[9] and 492 in 2019. Chicago's deadliest day since reliable digital records began in 1991 occurred on May 31, 2020, with 18 murders committed. This day was part of a three-day weekend that saw 85 shootings in the city. Reports indicate that the victims were of various ages and occupations, but mostly black. The violence was framed by the George Floyd protests, but researchers said it was unheard of and unable to be contextualized.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
15. Ok - armed people were protecting a barricade they put up and shot an 8yr old over it? WTF?!?
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 10:43 AM
Jul 2020
The driver was attempting to enter a parking lot at 1238 Pryor Road where a group of individuals illegally placed barricades. Someone in the group opened fire on the vehicle, according to police, striking Turner.


"Members of the community" murder a little girl for trying to enter a parking lot with her mom.

?w=480

Scum bags.


Later Sunday night the Atlanta Police Department said another man was killed and two other victims were injured during an exchange of gunfire just two doors down from the scene of Brooks' death.


Hope the community response gets these murderers.



That same night, 11-year-old Davon McNeal was at an anti-violence cookout in Washington, D.C., when bullets struck him. In Chicago, 7-year-old Natalia Wallace was outside her family's house during a holiday gathering as the shooting began. Both children were killed.
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
21. Atlanta Journal Constitution had an article about these "protesters."
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:18 AM
Jul 2020

They've threatened numerous folks in that area, and threatened to beat up a reporter.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
23. Real gems these scum bag are. Some are armed and VERY dangerous.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:20 AM
Jul 2020

Clearly.

A woman who had taken on a leadership role at the site was outraged to see officials and media connect the shooting to the occupiers of the Wendy’s. The woman, who identified herself only as Lady A, acknowledged that the shooting happened after someone barricaded the road — which people connected to her group had done a few weeks ago — but she said it had been done Saturday without her knowledge. When she saw the barricades, she said, she immediately ordered them to be taken down.

The message didn’t get through.

Secoriea’s mother Charmaine Turner said she encountered the barricades and the armed group wouldn’t let her pass.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
22. Damn gun humpers...what a cluster fuck...
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:19 AM
Jul 2020
?ve=1&tl=1?ve=1&tl=1

?ve=1&tl=1




Actually flat out killing people now.
{on edit: it is NOT necessarily THESE humpers that were the shooters}

In recent weeks peaceful protesters had been joined by armed men who put up barricades in the road and controlled access to the site.

...

Secoriea’s mother Charmaine Turner said she encountered the barricades and the armed group wouldn’t let her pass. They didn’t give us time to make a U-turn,” Turner said Sunday. “They shot my tires before we had time to turn around.



“You shot and killed a baby,” the mayor said, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution. “And there wasn’t just one shooter, there were at least two shooters.”

In a statement Sunday, police said the girl was in a car with her mother and a friend of the mother when they got off Interstate-75/85 onto University Avenue and were trying to enter a parking lot nearby. They ran into a group of armed individuals who had blocked the entrance.

“At some point, someone in that group opened fire on the vehicle, striking it multiple times and striking the child who was inside,” the statement read. The driver drove the girl to Atlanta Medical Center but she did not survive.
 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
33. I was worried when white groups showed up at court houses around the
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:06 PM
Jul 2020

country and I'm just as worried about black groups doing the same.

I just knew something bad would happen, though I figured it would be a fire-fight between the two groups - I didn't see the murder of an innocent 8 year old girl coming.

This is going to get out of hand - hell it's out of hand already.

ChazII

(6,205 posts)
35. My feelings are very similar to yours.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:13 PM
Jul 2020

What is sad, for me, is that Fox News did cover these stories in more than a 30 second sound bite. I haven't seen in depth reporting regarding CHOP or Atlanta's tragic and needless deaths.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
36. It's hard to report accurately when facts don't fit a narrative
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:23 PM
Jul 2020

You’ve been pushing.

Try finding a description of the suspects in this case...we do know what color shirts they were wearing.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
38. While in 'other' cases we seem to know in minutes
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:30 PM
Jul 2020

the name, work history, FB & Twitter pages, High School, favorite color, if they are a cat or dog person, and what they had for dinner the previous evening.

Amazing.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
45. I always put quote marks around the word 'other'.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 01:08 PM
Jul 2020

It's been this weird grammatical tic I've had for like, ever.

All the 'other' people in my life can't figure it out and like you, ask me about it.

I have no 'other' explanation for you. Sorry.

EllieBC

(3,041 posts)
54. This is nothing new here or anywhere.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 03:05 PM
Jul 2020

Threads about antisemitism die unless the act was perpetuated by a white supremacist.

ChazII

(6,205 posts)
55. Watched Don Lemon interviewing
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 03:07 PM
Jul 2020

Terry Crews.

“The Expendables” actor then brought up the recent spate of gun violence that claimed the lives of multiple children over the past couple of weeks.

“It’s [the movement] got to be all black lives matter,” he said, adding that “black people need to hold other black people accountable.”

However, Lemon clapped back by saying BLM’s focus is not black-on-black crime. “If you want an all Black Lives Matter movement that talks about gun violence in communities, including black communities, then start that movement,” scolded the CNN Host, analogizing Crews’ statement to asking a cancer group why they aren’t “talking about HIV.”

However, Crews contended that “police brutality is not the only thing they’re [BLM] talking about.”

Lemon countered by saying, “Black Lives Matter is about police brutality and about criminal justice. It’s not about what happens in communities when it comes to crime. People who live near each other, black people, kill each other. Same as whites … it happens in every single neighborhood.”

https://nypost.com/2020/07/07/don-lemon-chastises-terry-crews-over-black-lives-matter-views/?utm_source=url_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

Is this story not getting coverage because the focus of BLM is about police brutality and criminal justice only? I confess I am totally confused now. I need to educate myself. Thank you for understanding that I am in the learning process.

ecstatic

(32,729 posts)
59. RIP, such a tragedy! I find it weird that we're suddenly seeing
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 02:05 AM
Jul 2020

horrendous, Chicago-like headlines now that police are being asked to modify their behavior.

"25 killed in Atlanta During Independence Day Weekend Celebrations," etc. This is NOT the norm here and never has been.

Of course, kkkemp weighed in and has promised to crack down on the "lawlessness."

Now cue trump's ridiculous 911 ads, which have been playing non-stop for the past few days.

It'll be interesting to see how this narrative affects Georgia polls.

I think Mayor Bottoms should seek assistance from a private company to figure out who the shooters were and if they were acting alone or taking orders from someone. I'm worried that she might not realize how deep and corrupt the police "blue wall" really is.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
60. Seems more people are dying related to protests than unarmed black men killed by police last year.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:06 AM
Jul 2020

Weird indeed.

There were 19, mostly black, in the 1st 2 weeks...then a couple shootings in CHOP, a couple in Atlanta, etc. etc.

UGH.

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