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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:47 PM Sep 2012

Netanyahu Ad To Debut In Florida

By MAGGIE HABERMAN |
9/19/12 3:27 PM EDT

Bibi Netanyahu is not running a campaign in the US - it just looks that way in this new ad.

A spot featuring only the Israeli prime minister talking about Iran is set to hit the airwaves in select Florida markets tomorrow, a media tracking source confirms.

The spot is the work of a c4 called Secure America Now - which, thanks to its tax status, doesn't have to disclose its donors.

A Republican involved with the project said its airing in Miami, West Palm Beach and Ft. Myers. The flight is ultimately going to be $1 million, the official said - a media-tracking source said about $400,000 has been placed so far.

Those markets house some of the state's largest Jewish communities.

MORE...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/

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Netanyahu Ad To Debut In Florida (Original Post) Purveyor Sep 2012 OP
Fuck you, Bibi - Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2012 #1
Naw M_M Sep 2012 #97
Wow...If this was ANY nation other than Israel pulling this stunt... Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #2
How do you know they did? I suspect this was done by republicans thinking they could get the Jewish still_one Sep 2012 #26
It is RockaFowler Sep 2012 #37
Of corse it is full of lies, and LObama still gets the Jewish vote still_one Sep 2012 #49
Reality check - the "Jewish vote" isn't as monolithic on the subject of Israel as it once was. Raksha Sep 2012 #55
That is what I said /nt still_one Sep 2012 #61
FUCK HIM!!! outsideworld Sep 2012 #3
Just who the fuck does this asshole think he is? bunnies Sep 2012 #4
He's the King of the Jews JeffHead Sep 2012 #24
He didn't make the ad oberliner Sep 2012 #75
Not like we would ever do that....or maybe place a dictator. nt NCTraveler Sep 2012 #78
I guess that makes it OK then. bunnies Sep 2012 #108
Never said it was ok. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #109
Maybe he should move here and run for office HERE? Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2012 #5
naw, he just wants our money. nt progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #9
and our bombs and planes and lives Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2012 #10
Is Bibi actually the GOP candidate? leveymg Sep 2012 #6
WTF???? Is that even fucking LEGAL?? That Supreme Court ruling was a blow to democracy. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #7
Exactly! The SCOTUS Citizens United ruling paved the way for the downfall of America. All it RKP5637 Sep 2012 #13
He's not running the ad, the repukes are. /nt still_one Sep 2012 #29
they could NOT run it with him in it, if he objected. Period. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #51
That is not true. Politicians have run ads with clips of foreign leaders in those ads without any still_one Sep 2012 #60
Of course they could oberliner Sep 2012 #73
Oh shit Sekhmets Daughter Sep 2012 #8
Why? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2012 #11
Sheldon + Romney + Netanyahu are all together in this. No one wants to notice! nc4bo Sep 2012 #12
Is this how he's spending our foreign aid money? jsr Sep 2012 #14
can people not read? this ad is being run by U.S. citizens. skanky repubs to be exact cali Sep 2012 #39
Duh. Yes, we can READ. thanks for your concern. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #52
why? Political ads have been run with foreign leaders for decades without those leaders permission. still_one Sep 2012 #63
This is BS oberliner Sep 2012 #74
... xchrom Sep 2012 #15
Having watched the video, this could backfire on those who made it. onenote Sep 2012 #16
I side with this jsmirman Sep 2012 #21
A foreign prime minister seeking to influence a US election? jberryhill Sep 2012 #17
Netanyahu didn't make the ad n/t SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2012 #30
And he has what to say about it? jberryhill Sep 2012 #34
No idea SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2012 #35
He is capable of making it clear jberryhill Sep 2012 #43
Infer all you want SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2012 #44
You base this on what? jberryhill Sep 2012 #47
It's a republican super PAC. still_one Sep 2012 #31
Ok - let's speculate. Harmless speculation I'd rather do on DU than anywhere else. nc4bo Sep 2012 #48
Don't see it as being effective BeyondGeography Sep 2012 #18
Is their target audience ecstatic Sep 2012 #19
Yup. Jews are very informed voters. Evangelicals? Not so much. Cali_Democrat Sep 2012 #23
I always knew Netanyahoo was a scumball of the first order hifiguy Sep 2012 #20
One more time: he's not behind this ad cali Sep 2012 #40
Here's the thing tho... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #68
Of course they don't need his OK oberliner Sep 2012 #77
See how Russia deals with this 'problem': Russia Says USAID Tried to Sway Politics, Confirms Ouster Purveyor Sep 2012 #22
I'll pay a million just to have them air it only for 10 seconds in between dead air when the radio Panasonic Sep 2012 #25
Just remember folks if Romney wins Bibi will be our president and send the troops of to another southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #27
Are people on DU aware of comments like this? oberliner Sep 2012 #79
Are you talking about my comment? southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Sep 2012 #91
Anti-semitic? How? Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #92
Thank you that is exactly what I meant. I wasn't trying to offend any Jewish people. Yes it was southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #100
"If Romney wins, Bibi will be our president..." oberliner Sep 2012 #93
Where do people come off saying it was anti-Semitic? That never ever crossed my mind. Goodness. southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #99
I am not one of those people oberliner Sep 2012 #102
Good lord I wasn't serious. I was trying to say that Mittens bends to anyone who tells him on the southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #104
I get it now oberliner Sep 2012 #106
Great am so glad. southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #107
what kind of support does he expect from the USA after this one.. rsweets Sep 2012 #28
He didn't make the ad and he didn't get paid anything oberliner Sep 2012 #80
Most Americans are tired of America mzmolly Sep 2012 #32
I'm betting he doesn't want this. RagAss Sep 2012 #33
I bet it will backfire on him. lpbk2713 Sep 2012 #36
fuck. there is a serious reading comprehension issue here at du. you and cali Sep 2012 #41
With you on all counts n/t SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2012 #42
yikes.. your whining has hit a fever pitch. WE KNOW that it's not Bibi's own ad! progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #53
The past said "Netanyahu wasting his own money" oberliner Sep 2012 #81
Apparently YOU know that it's not Bibi's own ad MrBig Sep 2012 #86
They don't need proof or facts to blame the ad on Israel. It fits into their anti-Israel mindset. still_one Sep 2012 #66
Yeah, I can see that working. "Bibi" reminding "Bubby" in Florida about all the peace and stability TrollBuster9090 Sep 2012 #38
Who was the idiot in the Israeli government who approved this? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #45
Why in the world would you think SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2012 #46
You won't be able to convince most of the posters of this thread to that, even though that isn't still_one Sep 2012 #64
That's like asking who in the Obama administration approved a Crossroads ad onenote Sep 2012 #50
considering Adelson and Netanyahu's relationship, and Adelson/Romney's relationship... progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #54
That is your opinion, not a fact, unless of course you have an article or documentation that says still_one Sep 2012 #65
Good question. Raksha Sep 2012 #56
OK dammit DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #57
He had nothing to do with this ad oberliner Sep 2012 #82
A real estate promotion for their great country with their great government? Kolesar Sep 2012 #58
Fascinating responses to this post oberliner Sep 2012 #59
I find the same thing fascinating also. Most of the shoot at the hip responses are just that still_one Sep 2012 #62
Read the OP nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #67
I couldn't agree more oberliner Sep 2012 #69
And playing it is interference nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #70
It's an American group running the ad oberliner Sep 2012 #72
It matters little who is running this nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #76
Will you acknowledge your error? oberliner Sep 2012 #83
whatever nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #85
I did, thank you. eom Purveyor Sep 2012 #71
I would imagine so oberliner Sep 2012 #84
Maybe Iran will run some ads too. Any country can participate in our elections now. L0oniX Sep 2012 #87
Exactly. Any country can hide behind a c4 jsr Sep 2012 #88
Israel isn't running this ad oberliner Sep 2012 #94
Obviously you didn't read the rest of what I said. L0oniX Sep 2012 #95
I did read it oberliner Sep 2012 #96
Miss quote much? Go argue about nothing with someone else ...pffft L0oniX Sep 2012 #98
Not sure where the misquote is oberliner Sep 2012 #103
Here in South Florida we're used to seeing foreign leaders used in ads to scare people into voting Daniel537 Sep 2012 #90
Dandy, can we run some ads in Israel stating just what an ignorant ass Bibi is? n/t MadHound Sep 2012 #101
The Republicans are purposely interfering in foreign relations davidpdx Sep 2012 #105

still_one

(92,187 posts)
26. How do you know they did? I suspect this was done by republicans thinking they could get the Jewish
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 06:53 PM
Sep 2012

Vote, which incidentally, they won't

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
37. It is
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:49 PM
Sep 2012

The ad was purchased by a Jewish Coalition. It shows this guy who claims he had a fundraiser at his house for President Obama and now he won't even meet with Netanahole. Now he can't vote for Obama. I find the ad deplorable and full of lies.

Raksha

(7,167 posts)
55. Reality check - the "Jewish vote" isn't as monolithic on the subject of Israel as it once was.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:46 AM
Sep 2012

Some of us can't stand Bibi or the expansionist settler mindset, and want a war with Iran less than anything we can think of.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
4. Just who the fuck does this asshole think he is?
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:53 PM
Sep 2012

I cant believe that ANYONE thinks this is a good idea. Do Americans really want foreign leaders telling us who to vote for?

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
5. Maybe he should move here and run for office HERE?
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:54 PM
Sep 2012

since he wants to be involved in our political system. Just a thought.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
6. Is Bibi actually the GOP candidate?
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:56 PM
Sep 2012

Isn't it about time AIPAC finally was made to register as a foreign agent?

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
7. WTF???? Is that even fucking LEGAL?? That Supreme Court ruling was a blow to democracy.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:56 PM
Sep 2012

And people think that they are going to sit this one out and risk the republicans adding MORE corrupt justices??

RKP5637

(67,107 posts)
13. Exactly! The SCOTUS Citizens United ruling paved the way for the downfall of America. All it
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:07 PM
Sep 2012

takes now is money now to send this country in any direction with propaganda, even foreign propaganda. It's very dangerous and I think that SCOTUS decision will eventually be regretted my most Americans, and for many it already is ...

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
51. they could NOT run it with him in it, if he objected. Period.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:37 AM
Sep 2012

Has Adelsons grimy little hands all over it.

still_one

(92,187 posts)
60. That is not true. Politicians have run ads with clips of foreign leaders in those ads without any
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:31 AM
Sep 2012

permission from those foreign leaders.

I am not saying he does or doesn't agree with it, I am just saying it is not from him. It could very well be from adelson, but the implication that "netenyahoo" is behind this is not accurate

but if that is what moves you go for it



Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
8. Oh shit
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:57 PM
Sep 2012

I live in Palm Beach County, Florida....I can't wait to see this piece of crap. I hope all the anti-Semites who live here and see this ad switch their allegiance to Obama...that would be poetic justice!

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
12. Sheldon + Romney + Netanyahu are all together in this. No one wants to notice!
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:59 PM
Sep 2012

The evidence is there and it's been there for quite a long time.



 

cali

(114,904 posts)
39. can people not read? this ad is being run by U.S. citizens. skanky repubs to be exact
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:55 PM
Sep 2012

do I really need to spell out what they're doing?

As for Netanyahu, he's despicable too- and we'll know exactly how despicable if he doesn't make it clear he objects to this ad and demand that his image not be used.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
52. Duh. Yes, we can READ. thanks for your concern.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:39 AM
Sep 2012

Netenyahu could NOT be used in an ad if he objected. Period.

still_one

(92,187 posts)
63. why? Political ads have been run with foreign leaders for decades without those leaders permission.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:53 AM
Sep 2012

In fact one sees ads all the time with tactics like that.

You have made a statement that they had to have those leaders permission

Can you state the law that says that, or point me to where I can find it?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
74. This is BS
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:38 PM
Sep 2012

As I wrote elsewhere on this thread, Bill Clinton is featured prominently in a pro-Romney ad.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
16. Having watched the video, this could backfire on those who made it.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:19 PM
Sep 2012

The ad uses selected portions of Netanyahu's press conference with the Bulgarian prime minister from earlier this month. I wouldn't be surprised if it elicits from Netanyahu a statement that he didn't authorize the use of the video and while he can't stop it, he may reassert and even build on his statement that he does not want to be drawn into the election, which could be helpful to our side.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
17. A foreign prime minister seeking to influence a US election?
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:20 PM
Sep 2012

Okay, now I've seen it all.

un-FUCKING-believable.

And I wouldn't care what foreign leader it was, or what candidate they were backing. It is simply wrong.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
47. You base this on what?
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 08:27 PM
Sep 2012

You say it is "inaccurate" to say that he endorses or has authorized the ad.

On what fact is that based? Lack of knowledge is not a fact, and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

If I were a world leader, and someone made a commercial like that to influence an election in another country, I would expressly deny authorization in no uncertain terms.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
48. Ok - let's speculate. Harmless speculation I'd rather do on DU than anywhere else.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 08:33 PM
Sep 2012

So Romney, Netanyahu, GOP has nothing to do with this, it's a super pac right but check this out (Sorry about the nasty link but I needed it):

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2011/02/13/Pollsters-Launch-Network-to-Inject-National-Security-Issues-Into-the-Public-Dialog

One would think that informing Americans where others stand would send ripples into our political fabric, and conscientious representatives would conduct policy accordingly, but this often isn’t the case. Sometimes getting the word out simply isn't enough. When it comes to issues of national security and foreign policy, Democratic pollster and Fox News contributor Pat Caddell and GOP pollster John McLaughlin had grown tired of merely charting what Americans are thinking and decided to get into the business of empowering them to act.


John McLaughlin owns McLaughlin & Associates and if you scroll down their political client list the last entry is the tie that binds.
http://www.mclaughlinonline.com/5

POLITICAL CLIENTS

People and organizations with whom the personnel of McLaughlin & Associates have been involved include:

Republican National Committee
National Republican Senatorial Committee
National Republican Congressional Committee
Republican Governors Association
California Republican Party
Florida Republican Party
Illinois Republican Party
Kentucky Republican Party
Montana Republican Party
New York State Republican Party
New York State Conservative Party
North Carolina Republican Party
Ohio Republican Party
South Dakota Republican Party
Virginia Republican Party
Wisconsin Republican Party
Illinois House Republican Campaign Committee
Indiana House Republican Campaign Committee
Indiana Senate Majority Campaign Committee
New Jersey Republican State Senate Committee
New York Republican Assembly Campaign Committee
New York State Senate Republican Campaign Committee
Nassau County Republican Committee
Conservative Party (Canada)
Conservative Party (United Kingdom)
Likud Party (Israel)


Likud Party's Chairman (CEO whatever) is Netanyahu.

Here's the clencher, Netanyahu and Mitt Romney are all tied to the Boston Consulting Group (going by the Muckety Relationship map) they are shows as "advisers". I'm going to speculate some more and say any ad using Netanyahu's image, I have no doubt it has been approved and given a blessing.

I won't even go into Sheldon Adelson - we all know where he's coming from and what he's most involved in.

Ok, done speculating. Apologies if this seems wild but I feel like we are in wild times, dealing with some wild people capable of doing anything..


BeyondGeography

(39,370 posts)
18. Don't see it as being effective
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:22 PM
Sep 2012

Might come as a surprise to Romney, but Bibi is not popular, especially not in this country.

ecstatic

(32,699 posts)
19. Is their target audience
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:29 PM
Sep 2012

Jewish people or evangelicals? If the former, I don't think it will work--it'll probably backfire. They are informed voters and that's why Obama is leading Romney 73 to 27 within that group.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
23. Yup. Jews are very informed voters. Evangelicals? Not so much.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 06:20 PM
Sep 2012

I wouldn't worry about this ad at all.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
20. I always knew Netanyahoo was a scumball of the first order
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:59 PM
Sep 2012

but injecting himself repeatedly into an American election repeatedly on behalf of Rmoney really takes the fking cake. An ambulatory turd, he is.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
40. One more time: he's not behind this ad
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:56 PM
Sep 2012

now if he doesn't repudiate it and demand it be taken down....

eqfan592

(5,963 posts)
68. Here's the thing tho...
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 11:56 AM
Sep 2012

...do you think the Super PAC would have even thought to put this forward without first getting his OK? Because if he DOES repudiate it, it could back fire like crazy on them, so I've gotta think that these guys at least talked with him to let him know what was going on.

But then again, maybe they are just getting desperate. I guess we'll see what happens.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
22. See how Russia deals with this 'problem': Russia Says USAID Tried to Sway Politics, Confirms Ouster
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 06:19 PM
Sep 2012

By ALAN CULLISON

MOSCOW—Russia accused the U.S. of trying to influence elections inside the country under the guise of aid to pro-democracy groups, confirming it is kicking the U.S. Agency for International Development out of the country and warning it doesn't need any further the U.S. funding of civic groups.

The demarcation is the most serious blow yet to the "reset" in relations with Russia that had been an avowed accomplishment of the Obama administration. It signals that Vladimir Putin is planning a dramatically harder tack toward Russian civic groups, the fostering of which had been a key component the White House's "dual track" engagement of both the Kremlin and its critics.

In a tersely worded statement, Russia's foreign ministry said Russia was expelling USAID because the agency wasn't working within its stated goals, and that its workers were trying to "influence the political process through the distribution of grants" to groups of its choosing.

The ministry said USAID's activities raised "serious question" in Russia's regions, but especially in the North Caucasus, where the Kremlin is facing a simmering Islamist insurgency. The statement confirmed that USAID had until Oct. 1 to cease activities in Russia, a pressing deadline that U.S. officials had declined to mention previously in an apparent hope it would be delayed.

MORE...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443890304578006332101049520.html

 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
25. I'll pay a million just to have them air it only for 10 seconds in between dead air when the radio
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 06:48 PM
Sep 2012

is off the air.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
27. Just remember folks if Romney wins Bibi will be our president and send the troops of to another
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 06:53 PM
Sep 2012

war. Hell I will fatten my son up so the military won't take him.

Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #89)

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
92. Anti-semitic? How?
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:57 PM
Sep 2012

The post implies that if Romney wins, he will be beholden to the leader of Israel. A bit of a stretch, of course, but hardly anti-semitic.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
100. Thank you that is exactly what I meant. I wasn't trying to offend any Jewish people. Yes it was
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:59 PM
Sep 2012

a bit of a stretch and of course I know it really wouldn't happen. To be honest I am shocked someone would think that.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
93. "If Romney wins, Bibi will be our president..."
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 03:20 PM
Sep 2012

Do you really believe that? Or can you elaborate on what you were trying to express? Maybe I misunderstood.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
99. Where do people come off saying it was anti-Semitic? That never ever crossed my mind. Goodness.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 07:00 PM
Sep 2012

People get so touchy. He could be the Polish President I would have said the same thing. Mittens has not core values. He says yes to any leader that is on the right. Bibi seems to be putting himself on Romney's side and in our politics. That is all I meant. Nothing to do with being Jewish. My goodness if you feel insulted am sorry. I never meant it like that.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
102. I am not one of those people
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 11:40 PM
Sep 2012

I did (and do) find it strange that you think Netanyahu would be the next POTUS if Romney won. The idea of the US being run by the PM of Israel (which seemed to be implied by your post) seems really far fetched.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
104. Good lord I wasn't serious. I was trying to say that Mittens bends to anyone who tells him on the
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 07:57 AM
Sep 2012

right what to do. Christ he isn't even his own person anymore. I don't know who he is. He bends right and extreme right. Which ever the crowd he is in now.

rsweets

(307 posts)
28. what kind of support does he expect from the USA after this one..
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 06:55 PM
Sep 2012

He does know that the Pres has a very good chance of
being re-elected right. I wonder how much he got paid
for the use of his image???

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
80. He didn't make the ad and he didn't get paid anything
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:42 PM
Sep 2012

The responses to this post are ridiculous.

mzmolly

(50,992 posts)
32. Most Americans are tired of America
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 06:58 PM
Sep 2012

acting like world police.

Good luck with that ad, anonymous donors.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
36. I bet it will backfire on him.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:46 PM
Sep 2012



We'll have to wait until November to see what the vote count is in these cities.
I think Netanyahu's wasting his money. I look for Obama to win them.


 

cali

(114,904 posts)
41. fuck. there is a serious reading comprehension issue here at du. you and
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:59 PM
Sep 2012

and others in this thread exemplify it. Either that or you're deliberately twisting the facts. This is not Netanyahu's ad. And my guess is that he repudiates it rather quickly. this just doesn't serve him.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
53. yikes.. your whining has hit a fever pitch. WE KNOW that it's not Bibi's own ad!
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:41 AM
Sep 2012

We've got it. We KNOW that it's paid for by a shadowing group of Romney fans (aka Sheldon Adelson who IS close to Netanyahu) WE KNOW IT. Okay??? But we also know that Romney is bought and paid for by Sheldon, and they've been exploiting that connection to Sheldon's bestest pal in Israel.

And honestly.. you think that ANY head of State is going to stand for being used in a political ad?? Nope. They wouldn't.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
81. The past said "Netanyahu wasting his own money"
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:43 PM
Sep 2012

Clearly that person did not know it wasn't Bibi's own ad.

And head of state or not, he doesn't have a choice if someone wants to include his public remarks in an ad.

MrBig

(640 posts)
86. Apparently YOU know that it's not Bibi's own ad
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:52 PM
Sep 2012

Reading through this thread, people are questioning why Bibi would put up his own money, why he would run this ad or be allowed to run it, etc.

Clearly one post informing people of the truth isn't sufficient as people will continue to believe falsehoods until it's thrown in their face. Quite honestly, this is how rumors get spread and why people still believe that the person behind the anti-Islam video was an Israeli Jew when he was actually a Coptic Christian.

still_one

(92,187 posts)
66. They don't need proof or facts to blame the ad on Israel. It fits into their anti-Israel mindset.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:11 AM
Sep 2012

There are enough legitimate things to criticize Israel and its leadership on, so lets just blame this on them also, even though it is guilt by association, which incidentally the republicans tried to use against Obama in 2008 by associating him with individuals who were part of the weather underground, radical "Muslims", etc.





TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
38. Yeah, I can see that working. "Bibi" reminding "Bubby" in Florida about all the peace and stability
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:53 PM
Sep 2012

the f-ing Likud Party has brought to the middle east, and how, if you want MORE peace, you should pressure Congress to start bombing Iran immediately.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
46. Why in the world would you think
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 08:21 PM
Sep 2012

anyone in the Israeli government approved this?

Netanyahu isn't running the ad.

still_one

(92,187 posts)
64. You won't be able to convince most of the posters of this thread to that, even though that isn't
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:58 AM
Sep 2012

even what the article states

If that doesn't speak volumes

onenote

(42,700 posts)
50. That's like asking who in the Obama administration approved a Crossroads ad
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:32 AM
Sep 2012

that uses video clips of the President making a public speech. The answer is no one. The clips of Netanyahu are from his public press conference with the Bulgarian prime minister earlier this month. There is no reason to think he or anyone else in the Israeli government "approved" the use of the tapes since there was no reason for the producer of the ad to seek such approval.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
54. considering Adelson and Netanyahu's relationship, and Adelson/Romney's relationship...
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:43 AM
Sep 2012

there is no way in HELL that this was done without his permission. Israel's leadership is beyond touchy.. there is no way they'd try this without permission. Period.

still_one

(92,187 posts)
65. That is your opinion, not a fact, unless of course you have an article or documentation that says
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:03 AM
Sep 2012

otherwise. That is, did netanyahu or the Israeli government gave their permission?

Even if the views in the ad, and I haven't seen the ad, express the sentiments of netanyahu, doesn't mean they had his permission. In fact they don't need his permission.

Raksha

(7,167 posts)
56. Good question.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:54 AM
Sep 2012

Whoever it is, I bet he's sweating right now, or will be pretty soon. I have a feeling this is going to backfire big time.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
57. OK dammit
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:56 AM
Sep 2012

I have been slammed as anti-semitic by Zionists here, but I am going to say this.

If Israelthinks it can meedle in our poltics so we can fight yet another war for them to beneift from, than I say that Bibi should be counted as another one of America's ENEMIES in the Mid east. Not the people, not the jews, not the arabs, but HIM, yes.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
59. Fascinating responses to this post
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 06:40 AM
Sep 2012

Oddly many seems to have missed who actually placed the ad.

(Hint: It wasn't Israel or the Israeli PM)

I wonder if the poster of the OP got the response they wanted.

still_one

(92,187 posts)
62. I find the same thing fascinating also. Most of the shoot at the hip responses are just that
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:40 AM
Sep 2012

Not the fact that it is from a republican super pac

but their belief that Israel is behind this

They don't need the facts, just something to blame Israel on



 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
67. Read the OP
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 11:44 AM
Sep 2012

That is all I have to say. And even from public sources, since the impression will be there, the Israeli government can demand it be removed, or simply not playes.

But you knew that.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
69. I couldn't agree more
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:00 PM
Sep 2012

Read the OP and read it carefully.

If you do, you will find that the Israeli government had nothing to do with this ad.

If they "demand it be removed" then that would be an example of Israel interfering with the US election process.

But you knew that.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
70. And playing it is interference
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:04 PM
Sep 2012

By inference, but you knew this.

If they got any brains they will buy add space explaining they have zero to do with this.

I am amazed people are that thick. I know the targets of this...they will believe that Bibi just told thm to vote for Romney to save Israel from a second holocaust.

I give up, I truly do.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
72. It's an American group running the ad
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:18 PM
Sep 2012

There is no "interference" as the group is American, not Israeli.

It seems like some are deliberately implying (or downright stating) that the Israeli government is somehow responsible for an ad even though they clearly had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Anyone can make an ad including a public figure making remarks on a news program.

Do you think Bill Clinton approved of the pro-Romney ads that show him speaking critically about Obama?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
76. It matters little who is running this
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:40 PM
Sep 2012

how many of the targets WILL READ THE FRACKING FINE PRINT!!!!!!!!

I definitely give up. I take it you do not know the targets of this.

On the bright side, this will make it even beyond our borders and I will get it in the chain of emails I usually delete.

Oy

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
83. Will you acknowledge your error?
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:45 PM
Sep 2012

Netanyahu did not make the ad. Israel did not pay for the ad. Israel had nothing to do with the ad.

Can we agree on that at least?

I think I know who the targets are of this ad, but blame the ad-makers if you think the ad is dangerous.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
85. whatever
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:49 PM
Sep 2012

silence is consent, but whatever. Good bye, we agree to disagree to the nth degree.

On the bright side, I know what to expect from my idiot brother...

OY

GOOD NEWS, he does not have a vote in this election.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
87. Maybe Iran will run some ads too. Any country can participate in our elections now.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:52 PM
Sep 2012

"Countries are people too" - Romney

What's fucking next? So it's ok now to use any other countries leader to push for a candidate ...or against one. Here's mine: "Hitler would love Romney. (Nazi film clips run in the background) Hitler knew how to create jobs and Romney will do the same."

jsr

(7,712 posts)
88. Exactly. Any country can hide behind a c4
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:00 PM
Sep 2012

which is not required to disclose its donors. Plausible deniability. Nice.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
94. Israel isn't running this ad
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 03:23 PM
Sep 2012

Someone else is running it and using quotes made by Netanyahu to support whatever argument they are trying to make.

You may have noticed that there is a pro-Romney ad using quotes from Clinton as well.

That doesn't mean Clinton ran the ad.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
96. I did read it
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 05:48 PM
Sep 2012

Speculating about what Hitler would think of Romney is not the same as including verbatim remarks from world leaders in public forums and on news stations.

Also you used the phrase "Iran can run an ad" which implied that Israel ran this one - so I wanted to clear up that apparent confusion.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
103. Not sure where the misquote is
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 11:41 PM
Sep 2012

This is a message forum - isn't arguing where there are areas of disagreement part of the point?

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
90. Here in South Florida we're used to seeing foreign leaders used in ads to scare people into voting
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:58 PM
Sep 2012

The Repukes have been using Fidel Castro for decades to scare the old Cubans into voting. Nothing new here, unfortunately.

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