I truly hate this 'he's not going to leave' crap;

[elleng]

doesn't do anyone any good; now on Williams' show, with Begala.

Let it DIE!

[herding cats]

1. He will leave.

Yes, it won't be civil, decent or adult. But, he will leave if we vote him out.

We just have to vote him out and he will leave, albeit in a snit.

[elleng]

5. Yes, he WILL leave, not a choice.

[herding cats]

9. No, there's no options here.

It won't be graceful, and it won't be pretty. But, he will leave.

It will be historic I expect, not in a good way but historic all the same.

[COLGATE4]

6. You reminded me of the great Groucho

Marx line:

She came in a huff and left in a snit.

They just don't make cars like that anymore.

[herding cats]

10. That made me laugh!

[brush]

2. Let him try not to leave. So many will be in the streets...

all over the nation it'll make the BLM protest look tiny. Americans know now of the power of protest.

[Polly Hennessey]

3. He will leave.

He is all bluster and theater. Media loves to push buttons. Agree it gets tiresome after awhile.

[Skittles]

4. I agree

they'd have to wait, what, a day for that dispshit to go golfing

[Hoyt]

7. Agree. He will leave as soon as we vote him out. Tired of hearing it.

[frogmarch]

8. Nancy Pelosi said

if he loses the election, he will leave. If we have to fumigate, we'll fumigate.

I believe Nancy Pelosi. She stands by her word.

[Bettie]

11. Not gonna lie, I want to see him dragged out like

Julian Assange from that embassy.

And I want the guys removing him to drop him.

But, I'm kind of mean these days.

[2naSalit]

30. +1

[woodsprite]

31. Or not be too careful when they put him in the cruiser. nt

[Gidney N Cloyd]

35. +1

[SammyWinstonJack]

37. Don't be so nice, rough 'em up a little.

[Cirque du So-What]

12. I will turn the full force of my snark against those who engage in hand-wringing

over the preposterous scenario of rump resisting removal from office. Trust me, I can be pretti snotti when I need to be.

[PJMcK]

13. I'm with you, elleng!

The country will vote.

Trump will lose.

Trump will cry like the childish fool he is.

President Biden will be inaugurated in January.

Trump will be flown to Mar-A-Lago.

[MontanaMama]

14. Totally agree.

This is the “horse race” the media is concocting. It needs to stop already.

[elleng]

15. Yes,

Thanks.

[tman]

16. Same. It's such a powerless argument.

Like he has a choice.

[Frasier Balzov]

17. Will he attend the inauguration of his successor?

Or just watch the swearing in on television?

[SammyWinstonJack]

38. He'll proclaim it the lowest attended inauguration in history. Not like his which had the best

ratings EVER!

[AmericanCanuck]

18. He will leave .. his vanity wouldn't stand being cuffed and frog marched

That's for sure

[elleng]

20. THAT will happen LATER, after NY deals with him!

[Initech]

19. If he does leave, I feel like he'll act like Homer Simpson in the pee wee football episode.

[DSandra]

21. And when he doesn't leave... what will you do?

Some of us have to be prepared...

[elleng]

24. Secret Service will carry him away;

they are prepared.

[stopdiggin]

33. to do WHAT

so like if the federal police and the courts don't remove him ...
You're going to hang out the window of your apartment .. make a lot of noise .. and be really, really angry?
That'll show 'em!
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[obamanut2012]

46. lol

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

22. Likewise.

I'm reminded of how fifty years ago people my age would say, "Social Security won't be around when I retire" and it made me batshit crazy. I'd tell them that if you buy into that idea, you make it easy for the Social Security haters to do away with it. I tell young people the same thing.

He will leave. He will have no choice. The Secret Service will see to that. Saying he won't leave gives validity to something that is simply not valid.

[elleng]

27. Yes

[raccoon]

48. I heard that 50 years ago as well. Good response! Nt

[raccoon]

49. I heard that 50 years ago as well. Good response! Nt

[Xolodno]

23. This assumes, he will stay all the way to the end.

Which I don't think he will. He, his family and cronies need pardons.

And if he does everything and including the kitchen sink....Pelosi becomes President.

It's over....unless we fuck up again.

But..."he won't leave" does make for good ratings.

[JI7]

25. I'm Tired of it also. Focus on making Sure the Voting Process is going to be fair and reliable

STOP GIVING HIM THE POWER OVER WHETHER HE LEAVES OR NOT.

Stop making it as if it's up to him.

IF HE FUCKING LOSES , WE WILL FORCE HIM OUT .

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. + A Brazillion!

[LizBeth]

26. I agree. Just giving him a platform. Should not even be a conversation.

[pattyloutwo]

28. Yep

I also agree. Don’t even entertain the idea.

[PSPS]

29. The media must have drama to sell ads. "Too close to call" "horse race" "will he leave?" etc.

[stopdiggin]

32. 100% Extremely tired of it too

all of this is supposed to be in furtherance of helping us to "be on guard"
and blah, blah-bla, blah-bla
and -- don't know about you -- but I don't have a lot of "juice" or persuasion when it comes to the Justice Department or the federal courts -- so "being on guard" really kind of means f**k-all to the average voter.

so -- if you have access to (and funding for) a legal team that is all prepared to spring into action on Nov 4th -- go for it buddy! Otherwise -- you're just nattering around pointlessly, and Chicken Littling away a lot of my (and everyone else's) time.

[Raine]

34. Totally agree, it's ridiculous! 🙄 nt

[Hortensis]

36. It's believed by intelligence services to be one of Russia's possible moves.

Given the very real legal problems Trump faces if he loses the protections of the presidency, and what hold Russia has over him (also has to be very real), we have to be aware of, and ready for, this possibility.

What occurs to me that we do know is:

1. Russia's involvement would be a very risky move for Putin and the oligarchs supporting him, designed to create chaos even if it didn't save their asset's position. Risky because there would be very big American backlash if they lost.

2. It could not be legal, in any way, and we have enormous resources on our side. It's the trumpists/RW who have the weaker position by far. That's in addition to the people who would be marching on Washington and literally hundreds of federal buildings around the nation.

3. Trump's a coward. "Brave" only when he believes he's safe and believes he'll win. He's trapped in a corner, but he's by nature very buyable and Democrats can offer him a way out, including negating consequences in America of whatever Russia might have on him.



Btw, Clint Watts said we should see indications of which course Russia has chosen by early October. And that should be a big indicator of what course the Republicans/trumpists take. As Rachel says, "Watch this space."

[JI7]

40. But THIS Is not what they are talking about. They are just making it as if it's up to him

It's different if they are actually talking about foreign interference into the election and the reasons Trump is cheating to try to win.

But they are not doing those things. They are just making it as if it's up to him.

[Hortensis]

41. But it's a huge factor in this situation nonetheless.

No to head in sand. It's also possible that in their way they may be trying to warn without distracting from the biggest threat to our democracy by far: its own people.

Without internal threats, we'd have already smashed pissant little Russia's aggressions.

[JI7]

42. The criticism if how the media is reporting it and they aren't connecting it to these things. WE

fucking know Trump will do all he can to cheat and the media should report that.

But instead they are just making it seem as if he has the power to leave on his own and none of that has anything to do with cheating or him wanting to protect himself from being charged for any of his crimes.

[Hortensis]

43. Insist on complaining about media INSTEAD OF Russia's war on us?

Come on. That's like complaining that you don't like the pattern of the dishes while chowing down poison.

Discuss BOTH. The OP wants to discuss neither, but this issue seems not to have been thought through and can't just be wished away. Trump, Repubs, Russians, dominionist Christians, kleptocrats, white nationalists would love the possibility to be dismissed and no longer worried about.

[JI7]

44. THis whole thread is about criticism of the MEDIA

[Hortensis]

45. Not MY part. And I'm not erasing it, no matter WHO wants it.

Clint Watts discussing possible actions Russia may take now that the social media manipulation that worked so well in 2016 is not doing the job. The very real danger to Putin and his oligarchs personally and to their ambitions if Biden/Democrats are elected is a given.

Simultaneously, they could instigate witting and unwitting allies in America to storm polling places, incite violence or contest election results—Kremlin operatives were connected to a similar scenario during Montenegro’s 2016 parliamentary election.

Meanwhile, the Kremlin may overtly encourage President Trump to remain in the White House post-inauguration even if defeated in November. Kremlin trolls would amplify all such chaos on social media and confuse the American public, helping to shatter voter confidence in the true outcome of the election.

For Russia, this would be a bold maneuver, one that would necessitate an American response that could be very costly over the long term. But Putin might feel just emboldened enough to pursue it, depending on a mix of domestic and international factors. In the latter doomsday scenario, if 2020 goes like 2016, we should watch for the Kremlin to signal its chosen course of action in early October, roughly a month before votes are cast.

https://www.fpri.org/fie/election-2020-russia-china/

[kentuck]

47. If half the country believes the election was "fixed"...?

Who is going to remove him?

I do not think it is as simple as some might think.