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Nevilledog

(51,094 posts)
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 06:12 PM Aug 2020

Doctor tells Nicolle Wallace why 'the worst is yet to come' -- and it 'scared the bejesus' out of....

Doctor tells Nicolle Wallace why ‘the worst is yet to come’ — and it ‘scared the bejesus’ out of the MSNBC anchor

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/doctor-tells-nicolle-wallace-why-the-worst-is-yet-to-come-and-it-scared-the-bejesus-out-of-the-msnbc-anchor/

Speaking to MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace on Friday, two foreign policy experts explained the shocking ways in which President Donald Trump has ignored the continued attacks on the American election at the hands of Russia. Trump has spoken to Vladimir Putin five or six times since it was discovered that Moscow was paying bounties for the deaths of Americans. He didn’t address any of it; he confessed because he believes the report was a hoax.

But when Wallace turned to the doctor on her panel to ask about the next steps of the coronavirus, things looked even worse.

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“President Trump is in a dilapidated political state because of his inactions and failures to lead the country through a global pandemic,” Wallace began. “You said, we would stop being America if things got much worse — you said a few weeks ago. You first raised my attention to the disinformation being spread around the pandemic and vaccines. What strikes you about this intel report that Russia is now actively working to hurt Biden to help Trump with the specter of disinformation spread around the pandemic and vaccines. Facebook and Twitter both took down some of Trump’s disinformation as it pertained to infection risks for children. It’s probably like whack-a-mole if you had to pull it all down.”

“Yes, there’s a number of things, we’ll call this chaotic Friday, we’re projecting a lot of chaos across the country as we head into the fall,” said Dr. Peter Hotez, the director of Texas Children’s Hospital Center for Vaccine Development. “Look, we’re at the U.S. right now, leads the world in the number of new cases and deaths over the last seven days, and this has been true for the last few months. So, our epidemic is still spiraling out of control. The new estimates are 300,000 deaths by December and possibly 400,000 deaths by January. To put that number in perspective, that’s the number of Americans that died in World War II. We’re dealing with something of that magnitude, and still no plan for control at all.”

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Doctor tells Nicolle Wallace why 'the worst is yet to come' -- and it 'scared the bejesus' out of.... (Original Post) Nevilledog Aug 2020 OP
1 Counselor launched 240 Covid19 Infections in 4 days! OhNo-Really Aug 2020 #1
Holy SHIT! BadGimp Aug 2020 #2
Let me join in... Trueblue Texan Aug 2020 #3
Maybe they are racist or some other kind of bigots JI7 Aug 2020 #4
It might be a good opportunity to acknowledge that these folks are essentially stupid, after all. jaxexpat Aug 2020 #7
Many people believe what they want to believe lunatica Aug 2020 #12
The difference is Kaiserguy Aug 2020 #15
This is how it ends -- progree Aug 2020 #5
I know I sound paranoid, but it really could be how it ends... Trueblue Texan Aug 2020 #18
No stopping the death rates till Inauguration, I'm afraid donkeypoofed Aug 2020 #6
We may have a million dead by then, and 19 million permanently injured. tclambert Aug 2020 #8
We'll have a helluva lot more than that if he's re elected. BannonsLiver Aug 2020 #20
It's been nice knowing you DUers!..................................... Illumination Aug 2020 #9
He is more concerned about losing an election than malaise Aug 2020 #10
Yeah exactly if Trump really wanted to prove he is worthy of being a leader, now is the time. Initech Aug 2020 #14
It's more than losing an election. He wants to be a dictator for life. It could happen mucifer Aug 2020 #16
I still don't think so malaise Aug 2020 #17
i can't sleep anymore trueblue2007 Aug 2020 #11
Me either. Initech Aug 2020 #13
Stock up on neccesities now, folks. GoCubsGo Aug 2020 #19
That wasn't exactly a revelation was it. BannonsLiver Aug 2020 #21
I am not encouraging panic buying. GoCubsGo Aug 2020 #22

OhNo-Really

(3,985 posts)
1. 1 Counselor launched 240 Covid19 Infections in 4 days!
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 08:10 PM
Aug 2020

Tell the deniers about the YMCA Camp Georgia case!

https://www.wtrf.com/news/health/coronavirus/covid-hundreds-of-campers-infected-at-georgia-ymca-camp/

I told my neighbor w/6. Kids she is about to send to school and she said

“I don’t believe everything I read“

But believes it’s safe to send kids to school


We, as a country, have been compromised in dangerous ways.

I project over 600,000 cases by Feb 1 2021.

Exponential because Too many US cItizens are beyond ignorant

BadGimp

(4,015 posts)
2. Holy SHIT!
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 08:59 PM
Aug 2020
"The new estimates are 300,000 deaths by December and possibly 400,000 deaths by January. To put that number in perspective, that’s the number of Americans that died in World War II. We’re dealing with something of that magnitude, and still no plan for control at all.”"

We Are SOOOOO FUCT!!!!

Trueblue Texan

(2,429 posts)
3. Let me join in...
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 07:46 AM
Aug 2020

Last night we shared some sparkling wine out on the patio with friends we haven't been able to hang out with since the pandemic started in March. We sat 6 feet apart and sipped our wine and caught up a little bit. Now this man and his wife are not religious particularly, certainly not fundies and both are very intelligent. In fact, the man speaks many languages and can tell you something you didn't know about in almost any subject you can think of. He started reading when he three or four and he is a life long learner and is quite brilliant. His wife, from Ukraine, also speaks several languages, is smart and hard-working, not Faux News nuts. So I was shocked to hear the man blaming Fauci for the state of affairs concerning Covid-19. According to him, it was Fauci who told us not to wear masks. Well maybe it was initially, but when Fauci said we need to wear masks, Trump jettisoned him like a piece of trash. When I told him that Trump has always had more power than Fauci to steer Americans' behavior and that he used that power in foolish ways that resulted in the mess we now have with an out of control pandemic. If he had taken responsibility, with as few as 2 sentences, he could have gotten all Americans, including the ones that follow him like loyal cultists, the ones who now are refusing, to mask up so that we can better control the pandemic. But he chose to squander the opportunity and to this day refuses to do anything meaningful to provide leadership to quench the wildfire of infection. As a result, we are watching our economy and our standing in the world crumble around us.

Even my brilliant friend didn't argue that Trump had that kind of influence with Americans, though he didn't agree that Trump had squandered it regarding the pandemic; instead, he changed the subject. When I said Trump held the most powerful position in the world, his wife wasn't so sure that was true. She said she thought the influencers around Trump, like Bill Gates were more powerful. I'm sure my mouth flew open. But this was a situation when you knew there was just too much misinformation to correct and there was no point in trying.

I know we all have a right to our opinions, but when intelligent people cling to bullshit propaganda to maintain their loyalty to a party, when they cannot see the true peril of our Democracy because they are blindly loyal to a brand, it is not only disappointing, it is heartbreaking. I feel so sad and now even more alarmed for my nation.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
4. Maybe they are racist or some other kind of bigots
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 08:10 AM
Aug 2020

And trying to find any excuse to justify their support for trump without admitting the real reason for it.

jaxexpat

(6,822 posts)
7. It might be a good opportunity to acknowledge that these folks are essentially stupid, after all.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:52 PM
Aug 2020

They probably make up those languages. You can tell if you watch their prepositions.

It's like, one day you come in from the rice fields, feed and bed down the water buffalo, looking forward to the wife's cooking, a good tired. Discuss the weather with the in-laws and plan for the communal harvest. All in your sleepy little backwater village, just as it's been for a thousand years. And then, with a sudden roar, fire from the sky, napalm, burns everything into forgotten history.

But will it play in Boston? Relevance is fleeting, no?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
12. Many people believe what they want to believe
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 05:08 PM
Aug 2020

It’s evident in your friends’ inability to be truly objective. You can always tell if they cling to an explanation or theory that’s no longer relevant. And if they allow all kinds of transgressions to pass in order to follow a leader.

It’s not really what they believe as much as it’s something they want to believe. Maybe your friends simply won’t find fault in fellow Republicans. Or it might be a last ditch effort to try to stay loyal to their party. It might be too painful to see your party destroy itself so badly.

I know it would break my heart if the Democratic Party was destroying itself as badly as the Republican Party is. Ask yourself how you would feel and maybe you can understand better. That’s what I’ve done. I know it would be devastating.

Kaiserguy

(740 posts)
15. The difference is
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 06:17 PM
Aug 2020

if our party was acting like the GOP, or a Democratic President was acting like Trump. We would be among the first ones to call both out for those actions. That is the biggest difference between the Republican base and us.

progree

(10,907 posts)
5. This is how it ends --
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:11 PM
Aug 2020
“This is why we have the world’s worse COVID-19 epidemic,” said Dr. Hotez. “We talk about this like it’s in the past, but the worse is yet to come. We’re going to double the number of deaths over the next few months and now we know it’s not just deaths. We’re seeing long-term injury to the lungs, to the vascular system, to the heart, neurological deficits, cognitive deficits. This will plague the country for years and years, even after the vaccine is out.”

Wallace closed the panel by thanking them for “scaring the bejesus out of me.”

Trueblue Texan

(2,429 posts)
18. I know I sound paranoid, but it really could be how it ends...
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:33 AM
Aug 2020

...and it could be by design, not accident. We can't get what we need to care for the sick, to stem the spread of the virus, we are constantly fighting misinformation, a crashing economy, and look forward to increasing homelessness, joblessness, and a population with compromised health due to the long-term effects of the virus. This, on top of all the other ways this administration has destroyed our standing in the world. Trump not only appears to be a naked emperor, but the entire nation also appears naked, exposed. Who/what nation benefits from the United States being in such a situation?

We MUST WIN in November to Build Back BETTER!

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
6. No stopping the death rates till Inauguration, I'm afraid
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:36 PM
Aug 2020

Once Joe gets in there, the rate will start to drop within weeks. Until then y'all will just have to hold on tight!

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
8. We may have a million dead by then, and 19 million permanently injured.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 04:08 PM
Aug 2020

The number of people who suffer lung, heart, kidney, and/or brain damage is roughly 19 times the number who die.

Donald Trump will have done more damage to this country than WW II.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
10. He is more concerned about losing an election than
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 04:13 PM
Aug 2020

about how many hundreds of thousands die as a result of his fucking incompetence.

Initech

(100,068 posts)
14. Yeah exactly if Trump really wanted to prove he is worthy of being a leader, now is the time.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 05:35 PM
Aug 2020

Instead he doesn't give a flying fuck about us and is only making things worse than they've ever been. It's going to take a long time to recover from this administration.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
17. I still don't think so
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 06:23 PM
Aug 2020

The American people are already fed up of him. He will be forced out kicking and screaming - the real problem will be how to fix the country after these horrific four years.

I think the irresponsible press are part of the problem.

GoCubsGo

(32,081 posts)
19. Stock up on neccesities now, folks.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:41 AM
Aug 2020

While they are still available. As I said on election night of 2016, we are so screwed.

BannonsLiver

(16,375 posts)
21. That wasn't exactly a revelation was it.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:52 AM
Aug 2020

I’m going to make a prediction: Tomorrow is Monday.

Encouraging panic buying is irresponsible BTW.

GoCubsGo

(32,081 posts)
22. I am not encouraging panic buying.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 01:07 PM
Aug 2020

I am encouraging people to plan ahead. If you want to keep taking this lightly, knock yourself out.

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