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misanthrope

(7,417 posts)
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 03:52 AM Aug 2020

I don't see how Trump's executive order funding economic relief and cutting taxes can stand

It defies Constitutional delineation of powers on the most superficial level. If the courts suffer extreme lunacy and let this happen, it might be the most dangerous thing that's happened since Trump and McConnell formed their unholy union. If the chief executive has that power, we're done.

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I don't see how Trump's executive order funding economic relief and cutting taxes can stand (Original Post) misanthrope Aug 2020 OP
That's what I've been thinking. Every President tries to push it, but we haven't seen... TreasonousBastard Aug 2020 #1
He knows he can't. Frasier Balzov Aug 2020 #2
KNR Lucinda Aug 2020 #3
The key is, can legal maneuvers stop his executive orders from going into effect Mike 03 Aug 2020 #4
Couldn't President Biden just reverse them in January either way? MichMan Aug 2020 #7
Just headlines MFM008 Aug 2020 #5
I don't either Progressive dog Aug 2020 #6
No, he isn't actually going to disperse funds judeling Aug 2020 #8

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. That's what I've been thinking. Every President tries to push it, but we haven't seen...
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 04:12 AM
Aug 2020

anything like this since Andrew Jackson.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
4. The key is, can legal maneuvers stop his executive orders from going into effect
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 05:47 AM
Aug 2020

before courts rule on it.

John Yoo has said that the Executive Orders may be found unConstitutional in the long run, but that it would take two or more years to get that legal finding.

His vision is that these EO take effect, and that even if Biden wins he would have to enforce them as they work their way through the court system, presumably up to the SCOTUS.

Yes, it is incredibly dangerous what is happening. I'm so glad people understand this. We've come a long way from last week, when people were saying, "He's just bluffing, he can't do that, it's illegal, don't worry..."

We've been through this before. Trump diverted congressionally allocated money from the Pentagon to build his wall, in total violation of the Constitution, and more than eighteen months later we are just now starting to get very preliminary rulings that Congress can sue him for that.

This is why my question is always: Yes, it is illegal, but who is going to stop himi between now and November?

Can the Supreme Court take special action to clarify its DACA ruling, and put to bed any notion on John Yoo's part that the ruling opens the door to serial abuse of Executive Orders?

The new lawsuits against Trump for the Census change will be a test. It all comes down to: Can we stop the EO from taking effect before and until courts rule on it. John Yoo is banking on the idea we can't.

MichMan

(11,927 posts)
7. Couldn't President Biden just reverse them in January either way?
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 08:14 AM
Aug 2020

and issue new ones forcing the money to be returned like it never happened in the first place?

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
6. I don't either
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 06:50 AM
Aug 2020

Those executive orders clearly are illegal and violate Trump's oath to uphold the Constitution. That will be clear to all the government workers who also take an oath to defend the Constitution. Anyone obeying orders so obviously unconstitutional will have, at a minimum, destroyed their careers by obeying the orders.

judeling

(1,086 posts)
8. No, he isn't actually going to disperse funds
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 08:37 AM
Aug 2020

He is going to defer payments. Everyone remains of the hook for it.
This is a payday loan. Just without the huge interest (although there may be some).

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