The Dems Shouldn't Challenge Trump On These Exec. Orders Instead....

[global1]

they should say Trump went ahead and did this EO and included many of the demands the Dems were fighting for and the Repug Senate & Moscow Mitch resisted. Trump only did this EO to take credit away from the Dems and it was done because he's losing to Biden in the polls.

The Dems should go on to say that what Trump has done falls short of what the Dems were fighting for and that the Dems will continue to fight for the American People to get them the support they need during this pandemic.

Challenging Trump on this EO is what Trump wants them to do. So instead the Dems need to snatch any credit away from Trump by saying he has only worked off of the demands the Dems were making in the first place - but he didn't go the distance.

Don't give Trump any satisfaction and say he's pulled a fast one on the American People and it's only Donald Trump being Donald Trump the con artist.

[Fiendish Thingy]

1. Dems must file for an injunction against Trump's EO's to protect SS nt

[SheltieLover]

3. Absolutely!!!

[agingdem]

27. and Monday morning

announce articles of impeachment...but this time run the gamut..and don't play nice

[Blue_true]

30. Trump won't find remotely enough money to do what he claims.

Sit tight, that asshole and his staff have painted themselves into a corner again, and they have the Turtle and gutless Senate republicans there with them.

[malaise]

2. They are unconstitutional - period n/t

[bluestarone]

4. 100% AGREE

[Laelth]

9. Of course, they are.

And they might happen anyway. Now what?



-Laelth

[Lock him up.]

10. Warrants instant impeachment (AGAIN) for stealing powers from Congress.

Block it and the criminal (who neglected the COVID crisis, creating it) will claim Congress doesn't work because of the Dems.

It's a GANG$TER-REGIME plot! A Real Constitutional crisis!

IMPEACH him AGAIN and see what his complicit repugs in the Senate will do.

AND RICO RICO RICO THE TRUMP MOB$TEr$ AND HIS GANG$TEr rEGIME ACCOMPILCES

[onetexan]

19. +1 K&R. The House holds the purse strings. The Idiot is only doing this to pander & give appearance

that he's actually doing something.

[SamKnause]

5. What demands did the Dems want ???

They didn't want the payroll tax cuts.

This weakens Social Security and Medicare.

They didn't want the $400.00 per week unemployment to be decided by the governors.

They wanted the $600.00 per week federal program extended until the end of December.

They wanted money for the states whose budgets have been decimated by Covid-19.

Trump's EO's did nothing and he will get credit for doing nothing.

[onetexan]

20. He won't get credit for it. Dems must challenge the EO's given they're unconstitutional.

Dems should stick to their guns. The longer the Repugs stall the longer they look like idiots.

[Blue_true]

31. Exactly. Trump and his clueless staff have painted themselves and Senate republicans in a corner.

McConnell and Senate budget republicans must have a pant load right about now. Trump literally handed Speaker Pelosi and Leader Schumer what they were asking for, it will just take 2-4 days for that to become clear.

[global1]

41. Trump Has A Way Of Taking Credit For Things....

He will make hay over this EO and will make his deplorables think he cares about them.

I'm not saying the Dems stop working on this stimulus bill. They should point out where Trump's EO fell short and where he is wrong (i.e., payroll tax issue) and they should work to get what they were originally after.

[Hoyt]

6. I hear you. But just saying that, isn't going to accomplish much, and Democrats sure can't

stand in the way of the $300 per week for millions of people who really need it.

Don't know how this will work out in next few weeks, especially how Democrats can counter.

[Demsrule86]

12. It is 400 I thought

[ProfessorGAC]

21. All The States Can't Afford The Other $100

PINO says $400, but with states covering 25%.
There a a whole bunch of states that can't send the extra $100. They don't have it, because they're swamped with the existing unemployment obligations.

[Blue_true]

33. Trump doesn't have $400 without a big new Congressional allocation.

Trump is trapped.

Maybe what he is doing with the $400 is get the Democratic leaders to agree to that number. But why should they, they have the upper hand now and this is headed for an endgame.

[ProfessorGAC]

58. Said That Elsewhere

We agree. This was a political stunt. They don't have the money this empty promise requires.
As a I said in even another post, Wall Street & the banks would be oh, so happy if there were tens of millions of NSF checks being cashed.

[Blue_true]

59. They claim it is in FEMA. But who should trust that they know that? nt

[ProfessorGAC]

60. That Budget Isn't Close To Big Enough

Not even close. 30 million unemployed * $300 per week = $9 billion.
FEMA's entire budget is $18 billion. They'd use half their budget in one week.
More smoke.

[Blue_true]

66. The only people whose asses he is blowing smoke up are Magats.

Wait until they don’t the UE checks coming, then see what happens. They will likely blame democrats and not the hairy-assed ape that is deluding them.

[ProfessorGAC]

67. Or They Get Them And The Banks Recall Them

30 million bounced checks.
The bankers will be so pleased.

[soothsayer]

26. Theoretically $400

Except probably won’t happen

[SheltieLover]

7. Is it all in one EO? Or separate one for each item?

[Blue_true]

34. Regardless. Trump doesn't have the money for any of it in departments.

He would need to bleed a lot of departments dry of what they haven’t spent. And their fiscal year ends in two months+, so my guess is they are close to tapped out.

[Laelth]

8. But, if we do that ...

... are we not condoning dictatorship? We must object, I think, to Trump’s stealing the power of the purse from Congress.

-Laelth

[Demsrule86]

11. Wrong...Americans desperately need additional unemployment...sorry now is not the

time to sue.

[Luciferous]

22. When is the time? Congress controls the power of the purse. Without that he will

continue to do whatever the fuck he wants. You might be okay with living in a dictatorship or selling out our democracy, but I'm not!

[Demsrule86]

25. First of all I don't really appreciate your tone...but I digress. The fact is if Trump wins

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the election in November, we truly will live in a dictatorship. If you take help away from a desperate population and Trump can blame us, it could happen. All very well to stand on principle if you have a job and a place to live. But we have food lines in Ohio and many evictions...Hubs and I are both out of work. This is political reality. I should add, I doubt Trump can get any help to anyone ...and if managed to, it will be for a very short amount of time...but we can't be seen as blocking him...gives him the excuse he craves.

[Luciferous]

54. A lot of people are hurting, I get that. I work at a school and my

husband has already been on unemployment twice because he has been sent home to quarantine after being exposed by coworkers. But if we allow this to happen and Trump looks like the guy that saved everyone's unemployment that could help him in November. Now you and I both know that he is the one that got us into the mess in the first place but there are people out there who won't think like that and might vote for him. And then how many more people are hurt in the long run, not to mention the fact that one of these orders will gut Social Security- how many more people will that hurt?

And if anyone is blocking anything, it's the Republicans who refused to stay in town and get things figured out...

[Blue_true]

35. There is not money to do what he claims.

Watch the language of the Trump people change early in the coming week.

[Demsrule86]

39. I don't disagree...and I doubt any of us will see a dime...but let him fail while

offering the Democratic bill...don't sue him and give him an out.

[Blue_true]

45. He can't offer the Democratic bill without more money allocated.

Just to do $400 per week, he needs $10-$12 billion EACH week. Where is that coming from given the Executive Branch departments are in the last two months of their fiscal year? Just watch how the Trump misadministration’s language changes around Tuesday. He can do his executive orders for show, but there is no money to back them up. Mnuchin isn’t a moron (unlike Trump’s COS), he likely already know that Trump is bluffing, Speaker Pelosi almost surely know that too, since she would have access to budget experts that would know approximately what the executive departments have left unallocated. Exactly what will a Trump do, lay off hundreds of thousands of federal workers without pay and benefits to send money to jobless Americans?

[Demsrule86]

47. Exactly, he has painted himself into a corner...expects someone to take him to court...

only Nancy won't...she is too smart for dirty donnie.

[Blue_true]

50. I believe she knows exactly that he has nothing. She has sharp budget people at her

disposal.

My guess is the Democratic proposal will be what Americans get, then Trump will work to take credit.

[Demsrule86]

61. I think so...

[Fiendish Thingy]

52. Now is absolutely the time to sue, otherwise skip the election, cuz we've got a dictator nt

[Demsrule86]

62. No, We got an idiot who has promised what he can't delivered and is begging for someone

to sue him...let him wallow in his lies.

[Thekaspervote]

14. Yes, besides there's no money to back his bullshit eo..that has to go thru congress

[Laelth]

24. I don't think so.

Treasury can send out checks and/or disburse funds without authorization from Congress. Mnuchin SHOULD NOT do that, but he could, and he might.

-Laelth

[Blue_true]

38. When has that ever been done?

So, you say they can write I.O.U. notes that are backed by nothing. Good luck with that.

[Laelth]

42. The Treasury does that ALL THE TIME.

Ultimately, all of our money is backed by “nothing.”

-Laelth

[Blue_true]

44. The Treasury only issues bonds within the authority that Congress has given it.

The fiscal year is almost over. The Congressional allocation that the Treasury can issue bonds against is close to exhausted. Where is Trump going to find $10-$12 billion per week to pay $400 to 25-30 million Americans?

[Thekaspervote]

57. Exactly! He is blustering and per usual will fail

[Demsrule86]

63. Let him fail! Suing him gives him an excuse.

[Blue_true]

36. BINGO. And that is when the rubber hits the road.

My guess, Trump and republicans cave sometime next week, and Trump tries to claim credit for the work the Democrats put in.

[Thekaspervote]

56. This!

[Atticus]

48. Totally agree. Anything less cedes power to the maniac.

[Demsrule86]

64. No, we are not...we are playing the best hand with the cards we are dealt...he is

desperate for Nancy to sue...that was the plan all along. Blame us. So we need to play this smart...the constitution will survive but only if we beat him in November.

[ecstatic]

13. Yep. His $400 lie would be exposed, and the precident has been set for Biden

to do whatever the f*** he wants to do, whenever the f*** he wants to do it. Works for me!

[PTWB]

15. Biden should just sign an EO mandating that Medicare accept everyone...

Regardless of age.

[flamingdem]

16. It's all a ruse. The $400 adjustment will take weeks to do considering

the ancient condition of most state software for unemployment payments.

The repugs know this. The rest doesn't come up to a hill of beans.

[Blue_true]

40. Trump and republicans are posturing. They have nothing.

My guess, something along the lines of the Democrats last offer gets approved and signed by Trump.

[Bettie]

17. If they go that route

they are tacitly admitting that congress is irrelevant and has no power of the purse and no oversight power.

By not challenging this overreach, they acknowledge him as a dictator.

[Luciferous]

23. Exactly! This an extremely dangerous precedent to be setting...

[Atticus]

49. Agree.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

18. Kamala Harris is way ahead of you with her tweet

[magicarpet]

28. He only plagiarized 1/2 the Dem's Hero's Act, then added some garbage that he thought up.

We don't want to stimulate only 1/2 the economy. We are in prolonged financial straights, unnecessarily prolonged because trDump mismanaged the mitigation policies of the pandemic with gross ineptitude.

The federal government can no longer afford to be behind the ball, but must get in front of the ball and call the shots to bring this pandemic under control like every other developed country has done. The death count in the USA is off the charts. If trDump -5is incapable of addressing the issue of outrageous Covid death counts, may be he should step aside and let someone who is qualified take over the job to protect the citizenry from this astoundingly but totally unwarranted high level of Covid-19 mortality.

[Blue_true]

29. My view.

Trump is not going to find remotely enough money unspent or from FEMA to pay for any of what he is proposing. Just the UE benefit running to the end of the year for 20-25 million people runs to a good amount of money.

What I believe is that the Trump administration has gotten ahead of itself once again. When they find out how much money they have, they will see that what Trump is claiming to want to do can’t be done. Watch for a change in their language by no later than the coming Tuesday. Trump already started hedging late yesterday.

They want Speaker Pelosi and Leader Schumer to panic and cave, but what I believe will happen is Trump and republicans have painted themselves into a corner once again, and the only way out is to give in to Speaker Pelosi and Leader Schumer’s offer from Friday.

[durablend]

32. Someone said

There's enough funding for the $400 (or $300) for about 4 weeks and that's it.

[Blue_true]

51. $400 for that time requires $10-$12 billion per week, $300 a little less

You are talking about Trump finding $30-$48 billion over 4 weeks. Where is that money? He can savage Covid allocations that remain from the earlier bills, but that is unlikely to come up to more than a handful of billions. He can defund departments for a month, but the puts hundreds of thousands more people out of work without pay or benefits.

[BlueIdaho]

46. FEMA money can't be spent on UE

Every time Fatso has tried to re-allocate funds the courts have shot it down as unconstitutional. I’ve read he wants to set up a special “Lost Wages” fund as separate from the UE system. States would then have to create a system to disburse those funds after applying to DC for them.

Regardless - you are correct, there is no where near enough money to last until the first of the year.

So who really needs a bill to help Americans? Republican House and Senate members. If they go home without a bill they will be crucified in their home districts. They were told to let the WH handle this and they got fucked. Expect this saga to continue on Monday.

[Blue_true]

53. My guess is by Friday Trump and republicans cave and take

the last offer from Speaker Pelosi and Leader Schumer, then republicans try to dress up their cave as a victory.

I expect unemployed Americans to get the UE benefits from the last two weeks as part of the agreement, so those people will likely see a $1800 check next Friday, then $600 or some number pegged to employment rates there after through the end of the year.

[BlueIdaho]

55. I think you are spot on.

This stunt isn’t going to sit well with any members of Congress.

[Demsrule86]

65. You are exactly right...

[Happy Hoosier]

37. Dems must fight an imperial Presidency

If we do not, we might as well give up.

[Demsrule86]

43. We need to win the election...nothing else will stop Trump...so let him fail once again...

doubt he can do anything he promised.