Serious question: Can Dump just do this taxes shit by fiat/exec order? What about CONGRESS?

[CurtEastPoint]

Is it legal? Binding?

[BlueTsunami2018]

1. You can do anything you want if no one holds you accountable.

Apparently he’s the dictator.

[Trueblue Texan]

31. Now this is the honest truth!

That's how he has engaged in illegal acts his entire damn life and he isn't behind bars! NO ACCOUNTABILITY!!! EVER!!!

[abqtommy]

2. tRUMP do something legal? Not now, not ever...

[we can do it]

3. Were you expecting a serious answer, or just hand wringing?

[CurtEastPoint]

27. Yes, that's why I said it was a serious question. I don't know the answer.

[LizBeth]

32. I would like to know too because I cannot imagine he can. But with time I am realizing 3 were not

even signed EO and tax one will only be for a couple months then employees will have to pay it all out. The EO on rent is not even really stopping eviction, it is just researching the possibility or something. So even if he can do it they are not effective.

But, i thought your question a serious question too.

[CurtEastPoint]

33. Thank you. Apparently it was not clear I was not 'hand wringing.'

[Amishman]

40. extending enhanced unemployment probably isn't constitutional, but his payroll deferral might be

The payroll tax deferral probably would pass constitutional review. Why? Because he is ordering a government agency to stop doing a specific behavior. he is not changing the law or removing the obligation, he is stopping enforcement. There are a lot of examples of this type of presidential action in other areas, just not with this specific example. DACA might be the most familiar parallel, President Obama did not change immigration law, he stopped it from being carried out - hence 'deferred action' in the name. In a way Trump is doing the same with a tax.

However his extension of unemployment benefits doesn't use this loophole in executive power. It orders an action to be taken and funds to be spent that he has no legal control over. It should (and probably would) fail at the first legal challenge.

[Chainfire]

4. Trump has been exploring the limits of his power since day one

He has already found that his power exceeds what many of us thought. I suspect we will find out between now an Nov. just how powerful a sitting president can be.

[Buckeyeblue]

5. I don't think so. I don't know how we stop collecting payroll tax without congressional approval

My guess is this was just show to try to get the Democrats to cave into the Republican's bill. And if they do, Trump will say they begged him to sign it.

Nancy and Chuck need to hold a press conference today and present the Democrats bill point by point and contrast it with the Republican's bill. And call out Trump's lies.

[SheltieLover]

6. Perhaps not legal

But who will hold him accountable?

I've read they are "memos," not exec orders.

Not sure how this will play out.

I do hope Nancy does presser about this & that she gets lots of attention to this matter!

Many seniors & disabled people live off of meager SS & depend on Medicare!

[2naSalit]

8. The Speaker and Senate Majority Leader...

held a presser immediately after the signing. They are one the teevee/radio waves quite a bit lately.

[SheltieLover]

12. Yes, I know

But they need to keep at it. I'm sure they will.

[2naSalit]

14. It's early in the day...

Perhaps there will be much exposure on the Sunday shows.

[SheltieLover]

16. I hope so, too!

I'd read on another thread Nancy will be on Faux this morning. I've no stomach for Faux.

And tomorrow will likely bring some sort of action, hopefully.

[2naSalit]

19. No doubt she's on top of...

All options available. It's going to be a rough week so brace youself.

I've discovered my stress level has increased over the past week, I hope I can get that under control in the next couple days.

[SheltieLover]

22. Oh, I'm certain she is!

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[2naSalit]

7. Mostly bluster...

No teeth. He wants to cancel Congress and this shows how badly he wishes he could. Three Memoranda, one EO that don't do anything. Just his assertion that he could do what he pretended to do was enough to get everyone busy talking about him instead of paying attention to actual atrocities occurring.

This his go to ploy when he can't come up with anything to quell the questions, he comes up with some outrageous bullshit and throws it out at the crowd. It will be this way until we throw him out of the WH.

[SheltieLover]

13. That's my take on it, too

No funding & he does not seem to have the legal power to do the things he has (seemingly) done.

And isn't there a requirement that if Fed requires states to do something, then Fed must pay for whatever it is?

I seem to remember hearing this about No Child Left Behind.

[C_U_L8R]

9. It's all a twisted cynical political/pr stunt

If anyone challenges him on it, he'll claim they're against providing relief to Amurikans. It's a dumb cheap ploy that idiots use when they got nothing left to lose.

[fescuerescue]

11. Yup

But it's a real thing. People, including myself will see this $400 a week going to the bank account.

[maxrandb]

15. Really? Where's the money coming from

Statistical analysis shows the funding he "thinks" he has would cover about 3 weeks of this.

Is he just going to print money?

[fescuerescue]

17. I honestly don't know

But I would guess that your guess right.

[ProfessorGAC]

39. He Can't Even Do That

Even printing money requires appropriation from Congress.
The money doesn't exist now, and won't unless Congress allows it.
Also, PINO has been checked a couple dozen times by the courts.
Some here act like he has actually gotten away with every stunt he's pulled. He hasn't.
As you said, there's no money. Firing up the printing presses doesn't change that.

[fescuerescue]

41. I wonder if he could do the $1 trillion dollar coin gambit?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillion-dollar_coin#:~:text=The%20trillion%2Ddollar%20coin%20is,very%20high%2Dvalue%20platinum%20coins.

It was never tested in court, but it seemed to be getting some traction back in 2012.

[ProfessorGAC]

42. That Seems About Debt Ceiling

Per the link, it was a way around the debt ceiling so Congress could appropriate funds.
And, modest traction or no, it didn't happen. Probably because it was a silly idea!
But, it didn't appear to have anything to do with the executive materializing money that doesn't exist.

[Demsrule86]

35. I wish that were true...but it is not true...DeWine was on today and wouldn't agree to do it.

[fescuerescue]

10. It puts the Dems in a bad position

It seems that few people believe, including myself that his exec order is legal.

However who wants to take it to court? Fighting against an extra $400 a week for the unemployed will be used against us.

I know I felt some relief when I heard that at least some of the extra unemployment was extended. I will be dismayed if someone from our side takes it court and takes it away from me.

[maxrandb]

18. No, it doesn't put the Democrats in a bad position

It puts our democracy and Constitution in a bad position

In fact, I hope the Retrumplicans let it stand and the Democrats do nothing about it.

It's nothing but Donnie Dipshit throwing poop. When your toddler throws a tantrum, sometimes the best thing to do is ignore them.

Besides, if this is allowed to stand, just think how much fun a Democratic President could have with this.

[fescuerescue]

20. that's very true

I bet the Republicans will suddenly have an issue again with executive orders.

It's funny how they forgot about it the last 4 years.

[maxrandb]

24. Don't equalize these EOs

The difference between the limited, researched and process driven EOs that President Obama signed, and these from Dipshit Donnie is like the difference between healthy poop and aderol, Big Mac, KFC induced diarrhea.

[fescuerescue]

25. I'm talking about the oppositions opinion of them.

Not mine. Not yours. Not ours.

If you want to talk about why they hated Obama's EO's and love Trump's EOs, talk to them.

And while you are correct that we shouldn't equalize them, the courts might. Legal precedent doesn't care itself with the nuances or political impact.

[Demsrule86]

36. Yes it would if we sued... but since Nancy is too smart...won't happen and Donnie can't do

what he promised so hopefully he will make the Senate bail him out by reaching a real deal.

[LizBeth]

34. But what I heard the 400 was not even an EO signed, only eviction part. And the 400 is conditional

that would take a long time to set up if it could. So, we need to get it out and make clear Trump is fucking with people's desperation.

[Takket]

21. Schumer and Pelosi need to call for an emergency session of SCOTUS

And argue for a stay of these EOs on the grounds that drumpf has cancelled Congress with these actions. Obviously their wording will be more legally eloquent than mine.

I think such a blatant coup against the rule of law and constitution require an equally forceful response from Democrats.

The House should also pass an amendment to the HEROES act cancelling drumpf’s EOs and authorizing ad time on TV and the internet encouraging people to call on their Senators to hold a vote on the act.

[Demsrule86]

37. Absolutely not...playing into Dirty Donnie's hands.

[beachbumbob]

23. all this is, is a political move to make democrats seek injunctions so trump/gop says "look,

democrats don't want unemployment benefits and taxcuts" I am not sure if Pelosi can effectively counter with failing into the trap.

Trump can NOT appropriate monies, congress does that.


so far in 3 1/2 years, trump admin has had NO accountability by congress and NO fear.

[duforsure]

26. Republicans and Supreme Court Justices have caused this now

By enabling his corruption , and they will be bypassed soon by him too, and regret putting trump before country.

[crickets]

28. trump would love that, wouldn't he?

[Hoyt]

29. I can't imagine Democrats telling unemployed people they are going to make their enhanced

unemployment checks bounce.

Hopefully, most people will see through trump's BS.

[vsrazdem]

30. They won't be getting any enhanced checks. The executive order will put in 75% ($300).

According to Kudlow, the government will put in an extra $300 and the state will have to pay an extra $100 in benefits. The states already do not have money due to COVID, and now they will only receive this extra enhancement IF the governer requests it and agrees to pay an extra 100 over and above what they are already paying. Sorry, I don't see the states kicking in any extra money, which means NO enhanced benefits.

[Hoyt]

38. I think GOPers will figure out a way to pay the $300 to cover their and trump's ass,

if no other reason.