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(89,249 posts)And he wants to win Ohio .
You don't think conservatives should vote for Biden even if they disagree with him on most issues ?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Why is something that was announced a month ago strange to you? If you don't want people to speculate, maybe don't give them reason to?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I was simply curious, but to some people that gives them an opportunity to bash.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)as it sends a message to union members that the Dems are fine with this. The enemy of my enemy is not automatically my friend. And this tactic backfires 9 out of 10 times it is used. If they insist on allowing this, they should sandwich him between to strong pro-union speakers who make it plain that anti-union folks can pound sand.
JI7
(89,249 posts)on the issues.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)Kasich's stances on the issues are pretty revolting, he just disagrees with Trump about how the country should progress into a Dominionist dictatorship. It's like Francisco Franco criticizing Hitler.
JI7
(89,249 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)But frankly, I'd rather see Steve Schmidt or any other half-dozen "reformed conservatives" that come to mind as being better speakers for this particular angle of approach.
I've heard Kasich interviewed dozens of times now, and he's just not a compelling speaker. At times he's downright awful. He rambles, doesn't stay on topic, barely answers a direct question, and mostly is on TV nowadays to sell copies of his book.
But it's not a hill I'm going to die on. If he can help us with Ohio, okay then.
Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)But still a Repuke of the 1st order.
You know who and what else he hates? Women, and women's rights, unions and workers rights, and most of the Democratic Party platform.
I don't get it either. I can't stand this putz.
JI7
(89,249 posts)who has supported women and workers .
rampartc
(5,407 posts)we have already outsourced our campaign ads to the never trumpers. (lincoln proj)
JI7
(89,249 posts)the anti trump republicans are running ads with money they raise themselves . Democratic groups are not paying them to do it.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)A lot of Democrats who think they are on "our side".
They are against Trump, but for themselves. They want to be in a position of "ally" so when Biden wins they can influence policy to W. Bush levels.
They are not our allies, and should be kicked to the curb publicly after the election.
JI7
(89,249 posts)Republicans who are actually in office are destroying things. I don't care if people want to give money to republicans who hate trump that run ads making fun of trump.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)BushCo's top policy men who paved the way for Trump, they are taking a HUGE slice of the money they are getting and putting it in their own pockets.
Also, Wilson saw the Left as "pathetic little whores" and "Obama's bitches". When called on these remarks he said he didn't want to be judged on his past remarks, but tellingly, he did NOT apologize for the remarks, or repudiate them.
JI7
(89,249 posts)is that they are Republicans that hate trump ?
none of this is a secret.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)Their side has plenty of money. I have also read and heard folks lavishing praise on them and being shocked to learn who they actually are. I never assume people have all the facts.
JI7
(89,249 posts)Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)I said they "should not", thus my opinion, based on who these people are and how they are enriching themselves with the money, while trying to give themselves legitimacy attacking the very man they helped into office.
Anyone who wants to send them money, may certainly do so.
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Just rub some dirt on it and walk it off.
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Its been clear who the Lincoln Project folks are from the beginning. Is this your first presidential campaign by chance?
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)And the general public has not instilled me with confidence about their grasp of issues and media manipulation.
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Just because you cant or dont understand Doesnt mean a thing.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)Given that the 2000 and 2016 elections were lost due to these types of "low information voters". I would add 1980 as well. Reagan was such a "nice guy".
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)If the LP helps with that theyre fine. Its not a fucking marriage. Youre interested in style and purity points. Those dont count for squat.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)I am pushing back against the narrative that they are cool guys who want to help. They seek to help themselves, by taking out a guy they helped elect, so they can deal themselves back in after the election, and continue pushing the conservative agenda. And they are paying themselves handsomely while doing it.
Let them spend their own money. Our money is better spent on down ballot candidates and GOTV efforts.
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Try to be less obtuse.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)I did not attack you personally, I am simply disagreeing with your viewpoint.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)groups like Meidas Touch & Really American are putting out ads as good as Lincoln Project a lot of the time.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Look where that got them in their status within the Democratic party?
still_one
(92,190 posts)from Ohio
lieberman was part of the mccain campaign when he did that, and was no longer a democrat
miller by his own admission, only registered as a democrat only because of historical sentimentality. That sentimentality he was referring to were the racists democrats who dominated the South before those democrats went over to the republican party
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)is rising. I am doing phone bank and volunteering for the campaign...Ohio is in play...already the GOP has ads running...terrible ones too if you ask me.
still_one
(92,190 posts)and we need every vote we can get.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)still_one
(92,190 posts)party. He is a republican through and through. This is a temporary alliance against trump, not an endorsement of Kasich
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)still_one
(92,190 posts)Cetacea
(7,367 posts)peggysue2
(10,828 posts)As Dems we don't need a soft spot for Kasich to realize the man is popular in Ohio, a state now in play. This is another case of strange times producing strange bedfellows.
And until this horror show is over? I'm not kicking anyone from beneath the covers.
Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)We have a big tent and we need to appeal to some Republicans. Kasich will do a great job of conveying to moderate Republicans that Biden is a good choice.
brooklynite
(94,571 posts)Who would you give his slot to?
Freddie
(9,265 posts)But if he brings any voters over to our side, this is a good idea. As long as he doesnt expect any compromises to the Democratic Party commitment to respect womens bodily autonomy.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)JI7
(89,249 posts)which we want also. AFter that we can go our own ways.
Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)Democratic women don't like the misogynistic slap and tickle schtick. And don't call all women "hon."
Peacetrain
(22,876 posts)sometimes...
SiliconValley_Dem
(1,656 posts)Response to MoonRiver (Original post)
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Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)He came in as one of Newt Gingrich's GOPAC Zombies and virulent anti-Clintonista. However, he has been pretty forceful about his distaste for Donald Trump, so.......why not? If he sways a handful of votes in Ohio or elsewhere, who are we to discount that?