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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 06:52 AM Sep 2012

Has DU made it impossible for you to watch most news media sources?

Last edited Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:19 AM - Edit history (1)

I read about people watching Morning Joe so I turn it on and some guy professing to be non political and in the middle makes the idiotic statement that there are 100 million in America that are addicted to entitlements.

Fourteen seconds and I am watching ESPN even though I don't really care who goes to the Super bowl.

Reading DU is definitely sharing information among people with particular point of view but it is also dripping in facts in virtually every thread. Sometimes these facts will float up into the news broadcast atmosphere but it frequently takes several days to do so.

I can no longer watch any broadcast news, HLN, CNN, or MSNBC shows except the 4 (Ed, Sharpton, Meadows, O'Donnell) that don't bother with trying to 'balance' the facts with the other side (which always makes me hear in my head a news announcer in 1512 explaining how coming up after the commercial message for the leading Astrologer Magazine how they are going to listen to some asshole discuss the 'other side' on how Copernicus is 100% wrong about the Earth being the center of the universe&quot .

I can't bear watching even CNN who will have Begala on and then force us to watch some Neanderthal. Lots of other DUers seem to be able to watch Morning Joe and not throw heavy objects at their TV. I wonder how many of us are in the '23 second club': We try to watch but usually can only watch this crap for about 23 seconds.

As DU makes you an 'extremely high' informed media consumer do you find it . . .


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Impossible to watch almost any News Media, CNN and FOX are really difference in degree but not in real quality.
10 (77%)
No impact on who you can watch, you remain objective and get a better feel what the country is watching.
3 (23%)
Easier to watch various sources and get various viewpoints no matter what level of facts they are operating on.
0 (0%)
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Has DU made it impossible for you to watch most news media sources? (Original Post) grantcart Sep 2012 OP
I usually do a lot of research online at non-mainstream sites Mimosa Sep 2012 #1
For one thing, I will never take one source on anything ever again. liberal N proud Sep 2012 #2
Internet news is faster and more convenient. randome Sep 2012 #3
Yes, much faster, sometimes not by hours but by many days. HereSince1628 Sep 2012 #5
There is nothing "new" in the news. LeftofObama Sep 2012 #4
DU is the great aggregator of news BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #6
Indeed! liam_laddie Sep 2012 #16
I don't mind a debate with Conservatives... brooklynite Sep 2012 #7
I listen to NPR. sendero Sep 2012 #10
Not just DU... sendero Sep 2012 #8
and when they ignore the background and history of news lunatica Sep 2012 #11
When they started giving equal weight to facts and idiotic opinions lunatica Sep 2012 #9
Exactly.... sendero Sep 2012 #12
There's only one news outlet I can't stomach. mwooldri Sep 2012 #13
Most "news media sources" have made it impossible to watch them. morningfog Sep 2012 #14
MSNBC... liam_laddie Sep 2012 #15
Local news only here madokie Sep 2012 #17
I wouldn't say it's impossible to watch, but it's not easy. On the other hand, if you view is as gkhouston Sep 2012 #18
Yes it has. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #19
I don't own a TV.. AsahinaKimi Sep 2012 #20
I voted yes but I still watch some, but with a jaded eye. I trust DU more than the spin I hear CTyankee Sep 2012 #21
Can't handle TV news anymore. tanyev Sep 2012 #22
Why should I waste my time on liars, dissemblers, and people who are reading to me? bemildred Sep 2012 #23
I've been watching MSNBC since their coverage of the RNC, which I really liked... porphyrian Sep 2012 #24
Other. LWolf Sep 2012 #25
I get my political and Governmental news from C-Span, so I can't stand any of the echo chamber 1-Old-Man Sep 2012 #26
I'm confused.... Ineeda Sep 2012 #27
lol I meant O'Donnell (normal brain function doesn't start till after 10 am) grantcart Sep 2012 #31
American television news sucks. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2012 #28
What about the Echo Chamber? el_bryanto Sep 2012 #29
DU didn't make it impossible - it already was. Curiously, DU is probably the BEST news source. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #30
Haven't Watched TV News RobinA Sep 2012 #32
PBS is the only decent broadcast news outlet. Otherwise I stick with... alp227 Oct 2012 #33

Mimosa

(9,131 posts)
1. I usually do a lot of research online at non-mainstream sites
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 06:55 AM
Sep 2012

Rarely I'll turn on CNN or Fox. But non-mainstream sources often are ahead of them.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. Internet news is faster and more convenient.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 07:04 AM
Sep 2012

Spending more than 15 minutes in front of the boob tube 'watching' the news is wasting time.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
5. Yes, much faster, sometimes not by hours but by many days.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 07:24 AM
Sep 2012

It makes the national network news seem to be what it mostly is...5-6 minutes of some stories from the day. Then a corporation provided piece--seemingly an unstated advertisement, then a couple magazine pieces--time insensitive stories on vets, pets, health, education, jobs, etc, and then the feelgood piece at the end, which is also a time insensitive piece.


LeftofObama

(4,243 posts)
4. There is nothing "new" in the news.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 07:23 AM
Sep 2012

I've tried watching tv news and almost without fail the story they are covering is something I've already read about online at least one day before. I'll take internet news over tv "news" any day of the week.

BumRushDaShow

(128,905 posts)
6. DU is the great aggregator of news
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 07:36 AM
Sep 2012

and I can count on it to alert me to events of interest to me across the media spectrum!!

As a sidenote, CSPAN is a good source of live or recorded events (outside of their often heavy-handed featuring of rethug seminars from AEI or Heritage or Hoover during prime viewing times). Their archive video library is unmatched, going back some 30 years.

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
7. I don't mind a debate with Conservatives...
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 07:43 AM
Sep 2012

...simply listening to voices that reinforce what I already believe is a waste of time.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
10. I listen to NPR.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 07:49 AM
Sep 2012

... so I get plenty of the conservative viewpoint.

I don't find their message a creed so much as a set of factoids that have been roundly disproven, but they are too stupid to see that.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
8. Not just DU...
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 07:46 AM
Sep 2012

... but the internet in general. Once you get some real news it's hard to fathom what these pointless talking heads are going on about.

My complaint is mostly "lies of omission". It's not that the MSM lies all the time (well, non Fox MSM anyway), it's that they cherry pick stories to fit a narrative.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
11. and when they ignore the background and history of news
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 07:51 AM
Sep 2012

The near total ignoring of context. It's why I really like Rachel. She puts everything in context, even if she has to work at it for days. When she's done with a story you know everything there is to know about it. It's history, it's influence, it's impact and the truth about it.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
9. When they started giving equal weight to facts and idiotic opinions
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 07:48 AM
Sep 2012

is when I had enough of the crap. Idiotic opinions get shot down very quickly in DU, and educated ones are debated, albeit sometimes civilly and sometimes not.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
13. There's only one news outlet I can't stomach.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 08:05 AM
Sep 2012

That's "Fox News Channel". Our local Fox affiliate is no longer Fox owned. Shows in their reporting. IMO WGHP is much more fair and balanced than "Fox News Channel" any day of the week.

I can watch CNN and it seems more middle-of-the-road to me. MSNBC is definitely left-leaning but the thing is that MSNBC tend to back up their stuff with "facts", stuff I find sorely lacking in "Fox News Channel".

I know every time I say this Rupert Murdoch coughs up a bit more of his spleen... but the BBC is a much better news organisation than any Murdoch aligned outfit. Even Sky News is a whole lot better than "Fox News Channel", probably thanks to the regulatory environment in which it operates and that News Corp holds only a 40% state in BSky.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
14. Most "news media sources" have made it impossible to watch them.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 08:07 AM
Sep 2012

I don't even have a teevee anymore. I set it on the curb and replaced it with a freshwater aquarium. Much more informative.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
17. Local news only here
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 08:23 AM
Sep 2012

Here in a few minutes I'll turn the tv off and start my day and my day doesn't include watching tv or listening to radio. For the most part I'm a happy man cause like all of us DU'rs, I feel I'm pretty dang well informed by coming here. DU is like a shelter in the storm to me, if you will

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
18. I wouldn't say it's impossible to watch, but it's not easy. On the other hand, if you view is as
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 08:27 AM
Sep 2012

"news to keep you stupid," it can be useful to know what's being sold these days -- and if my daughter is watching, too, we often pause and discuss what's really happening versus what we're being told/sold.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
19. Yes it has.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 08:30 AM
Sep 2012

I never watch cable or local TV anymore, only listen to AM radio news occasionally, and read two daily newspapers.

The cable networks are all BS.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
20. I don't own a TV..
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 08:34 AM
Sep 2012

All my news comes from the net and I am some what selective. But I am here mostly, and its great to get heads up on things.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
21. I voted yes but I still watch some, but with a jaded eye. I trust DU more than the spin I hear
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 08:38 AM
Sep 2012

on most TV news/talk shows.

The refreshing exception is Chris Hayes and Melissa Harris Perry (and Rachel, too). Both Chris and MHP have fresh, new voices instead of the old wheezebags that keep getting recycled on MSM. They more accurately reflect my and DU's point of view and it gives me some hope...

tanyev

(42,552 posts)
22. Can't handle TV news anymore.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 08:45 AM
Sep 2012

About all I see are the clips that make it onto Stewart or Colbert. And, I find that when I do catch a few minutes of network news, I've usually already read about the story on DU, sometimes a day or two earlier.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
23. Why should I waste my time on liars, dissemblers, and people who are reading to me?
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 09:08 AM
Sep 2012

I can read to myself.

 

porphyrian

(18,530 posts)
24. I've been watching MSNBC since their coverage of the RNC, which I really liked...
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 09:12 AM
Sep 2012

...but I only really enjoy about half of the shows they run, and the commercial breaks drive me up the fucking wall. Mostly, given the choice between watching TV and watching a movie, I go with the movie.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
25. Other.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 09:17 AM
Sep 2012

I gave up watching news on tv or listening to news on the radio before DU existed.

DU's obsession with news media has always baffled me; on the one hand, there are always threads about the unreliability of news media. On the other, there are always threads saying "turn on ______ right now!!!"

I keep wondering...if our corporate news media doesn't put out an unbiased product, why do people give them ratings by watching or listening?

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
26. I get my political and Governmental news from C-Span, so I can't stand any of the echo chamber
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 09:20 AM
Sep 2012

They lie by omission, every single one of them.

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
27. I'm confused....
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 09:21 AM
Sep 2012

"...MSNBC shows except the 4 (Ed, Sharpton, Meadows, Olbermann) that don't bother with trying to 'balance' the facts with the other side..." Who are these folks, and where's Lawrence O'Donnell in this list? I assume you mean Maddow, and Olbermann has been gone for a while now. I'm curious about the sincerity of your post, or was this a copy/paste from years gone by?

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
28. American television news sucks.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 09:33 AM
Sep 2012

I get most of my news from print sources. I read newspapers. Online, admittedly, and not in actual print. US TV news has several serious problems; first, it's very parochial and insular (aliens who only had American news media to go by would probably be astonished to discover that the USA wasn't the only country on the planet); second, it's less about informing and more about entertaining. Third, it reduces every issue to soundbites and, at least in politics, strives for some sort of mindless "balance", as though xenophobia, religiously-motivated misogyny, and anti-scientific ignorance are as deserving of serious consideration and respect as any other entrant into the marketplace of ideas.

I've lived in the UK for going on four years now; when I *watch* the news at all it's the BBC. Which is very different to any American TV news channel; the newsreaders aren't "personalities"; there's no sensationalism or gimmickry, the screen isn't covered with distracting tickers and updates (just a discreet scroll at the bottom)...and there are no adverts.

My British wife, after I showed her Fox News and CNN and so on, had this to say: "Oh dear. I saw Bob Roberts, and I thought they were taking the piss out of American TV news...but...it's really like that, isn't it?"

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
29. What about the Echo Chamber?
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 09:43 AM
Sep 2012

Or the worry that in seeking out only news sources that reaffirm your political beliefs you are a) occasionally misinformed, b) critically lazy?

Bryant

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
30. DU didn't make it impossible - it already was. Curiously, DU is probably the BEST news source.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:08 AM
Sep 2012

I think that's primarily because of the spillover of the LBN rule that you have to provide a link to your source. It's sort of become a standard requirement (community enforced) in all forums and groups. How many times have you seen a post without a link and one of the first replies will be "Link?"

That's particularly true for regional news. National news is somewhat concentrated in a few major players (AP, AFP, Reuters, Christian Science Monitor, etc.) and the major news sites (obviously excluding FOX on the grounds that it isn't "news&quot all look relatively the same because they're all using the same stories and sources. Local news is often far more important nationally than the so-called "national" news. Take the Voter ID law in PA for example. I get the local paper (Harrisburg Patriot-News) and it is amazing how much you glean from the print version that the on-line version doesn't cover. Regional stories are a lot harder to track down, but they show up on DU regularly.

As for national/world news, the paper is not worth much in that respect because I've already seen damn near every story on DU or elsewhere before the paper hits the press. Sadly, they're moving to a three-day distribution beginning 1 Jan (a disturbing trend).

As for TV, I shut that off in '82 or so. If there's a clip worth watching, it either shows up here or at Crooks&Liars, or both. There's been a progressively more annoying invasion of commercials in on-line clips, but it's still targeted viewing. The only time I'm exposed to "TV" is at bars and it's just an endless loop of the same shit. Every ten to fifteen minutes, they restart whatever loop they're on. Yeah, most of it is sports in a bar (I don't give a rat's ass about sports), but even then it's most of what they do. Boooooorrrrriiinnngggg.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
32. Haven't Watched TV News
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:23 AM
Sep 2012

in 20 years unless there is something local going on. Yes, I own a TV. I get my news mostly through print because the Internet obsesses on too many tempests in teapots as being significant. I use Internet to see "what people are saying" and to keep tabs on what's out there that I want to read about when it gets to print. If I find someone I respect in print I may check them out on the Internet.

TV news is godawful crap.

alp227

(32,020 posts)
33. PBS is the only decent broadcast news outlet. Otherwise I stick with...
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 05:09 PM
Oct 2012

MSNBC or the Free Speech TV shows "Democracy Now" and the Thom Hartmann show.

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