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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHas DU made it impossible for you to watch most news media sources?
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I read about people watching Morning Joe so I turn it on and some guy professing to be non political and in the middle makes the idiotic statement that there are 100 million in America that are addicted to entitlements.
Fourteen seconds and I am watching ESPN even though I don't really care who goes to the Super bowl.
Reading DU is definitely sharing information among people with particular point of view but it is also dripping in facts in virtually every thread. Sometimes these facts will float up into the news broadcast atmosphere but it frequently takes several days to do so.
I can no longer watch any broadcast news, HLN, CNN, or MSNBC shows except the 4 (Ed, Sharpton, Meadows, O'Donnell) that don't bother with trying to 'balance' the facts with the other side (which always makes me hear in my head a news announcer in 1512 explaining how coming up after the commercial message for the leading Astrologer Magazine how they are going to listen to some asshole discuss the 'other side' on how Copernicus is 100% wrong about the Earth being the center of the universe" .
I can't bear watching even CNN who will have Begala on and then force us to watch some Neanderthal. Lots of other DUers seem to be able to watch Morning Joe and not throw heavy objects at their TV. I wonder how many of us are in the '23 second club': We try to watch but usually can only watch this crap for about 23 seconds.
As DU makes you an 'extremely high' informed media consumer do you find it . . .
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Impossible to watch almost any News Media, CNN and FOX are really difference in degree but not in real quality. | |
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No impact on who you can watch, you remain objective and get a better feel what the country is watching. | |
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Easier to watch various sources and get various viewpoints no matter what level of facts they are operating on. | |
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Mimosa
(9,131 posts)Rarely I'll turn on CNN or Fox. But non-mainstream sources often are ahead of them.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Spending more than 15 minutes in front of the boob tube 'watching' the news is wasting time.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)It makes the national network news seem to be what it mostly is...5-6 minutes of some stories from the day. Then a corporation provided piece--seemingly an unstated advertisement, then a couple magazine pieces--time insensitive stories on vets, pets, health, education, jobs, etc, and then the feelgood piece at the end, which is also a time insensitive piece.
LeftofObama
(4,243 posts)I've tried watching tv news and almost without fail the story they are covering is something I've already read about online at least one day before. I'll take internet news over tv "news" any day of the week.
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)and I can count on it to alert me to events of interest to me across the media spectrum!!
As a sidenote, CSPAN is a good source of live or recorded events (outside of their often heavy-handed featuring of rethug seminars from AEI or Heritage or Hoover during prime viewing times). Their archive video library is unmatched, going back some 30 years.
liam_laddie
(1,321 posts)Like C-Span3 running the Warren-Brown debate last evening for all us non-MA folks.
brooklynite
(94,520 posts)...simply listening to voices that reinforce what I already believe is a waste of time.
sendero
(28,552 posts)... so I get plenty of the conservative viewpoint.
I don't find their message a creed so much as a set of factoids that have been roundly disproven, but they are too stupid to see that.
sendero
(28,552 posts)... but the internet in general. Once you get some real news it's hard to fathom what these pointless talking heads are going on about.
My complaint is mostly "lies of omission". It's not that the MSM lies all the time (well, non Fox MSM anyway), it's that they cherry pick stories to fit a narrative.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)The near total ignoring of context. It's why I really like Rachel. She puts everything in context, even if she has to work at it for days. When she's done with a story you know everything there is to know about it. It's history, it's influence, it's impact and the truth about it.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)is when I had enough of the crap. Idiotic opinions get shot down very quickly in DU, and educated ones are debated, albeit sometimes civilly and sometimes not.
sendero
(28,552 posts).. the he-said/she-said type of reporting. It is useless.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)That's "Fox News Channel". Our local Fox affiliate is no longer Fox owned. Shows in their reporting. IMO WGHP is much more fair and balanced than "Fox News Channel" any day of the week.
I can watch CNN and it seems more middle-of-the-road to me. MSNBC is definitely left-leaning but the thing is that MSNBC tend to back up their stuff with "facts", stuff I find sorely lacking in "Fox News Channel".
I know every time I say this Rupert Murdoch coughs up a bit more of his spleen... but the BBC is a much better news organisation than any Murdoch aligned outfit. Even Sky News is a whole lot better than "Fox News Channel", probably thanks to the regulatory environment in which it operates and that News Corp holds only a 40% state in BSky.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)I don't even have a teevee anymore. I set it on the curb and replaced it with a freshwater aquarium. Much more informative.
liam_laddie
(1,321 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)Here in a few minutes I'll turn the tv off and start my day and my day doesn't include watching tv or listening to radio. For the most part I'm a happy man cause like all of us DU'rs, I feel I'm pretty dang well informed by coming here. DU is like a shelter in the storm to me, if you will
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)"news to keep you stupid," it can be useful to know what's being sold these days -- and if my daughter is watching, too, we often pause and discuss what's really happening versus what we're being told/sold.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)I never watch cable or local TV anymore, only listen to AM radio news occasionally, and read two daily newspapers.
The cable networks are all BS.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)All my news comes from the net and I am some what selective. But I am here mostly, and its great to get heads up on things.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)on most TV news/talk shows.
The refreshing exception is Chris Hayes and Melissa Harris Perry (and Rachel, too). Both Chris and MHP have fresh, new voices instead of the old wheezebags that keep getting recycled on MSM. They more accurately reflect my and DU's point of view and it gives me some hope...
tanyev
(42,552 posts)About all I see are the clips that make it onto Stewart or Colbert. And, I find that when I do catch a few minutes of network news, I've usually already read about the story on DU, sometimes a day or two earlier.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I can read to myself.
porphyrian
(18,530 posts)...but I only really enjoy about half of the shows they run, and the commercial breaks drive me up the fucking wall. Mostly, given the choice between watching TV and watching a movie, I go with the movie.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I gave up watching news on tv or listening to news on the radio before DU existed.
DU's obsession with news media has always baffled me; on the one hand, there are always threads about the unreliability of news media. On the other, there are always threads saying "turn on ______ right now!!!"
I keep wondering...if our corporate news media doesn't put out an unbiased product, why do people give them ratings by watching or listening?
1-Old-Man
(2,667 posts)They lie by omission, every single one of them.
Ineeda
(3,626 posts)"...MSNBC shows except the 4 (Ed, Sharpton, Meadows, Olbermann) that don't bother with trying to 'balance' the facts with the other side..." Who are these folks, and where's Lawrence O'Donnell in this list? I assume you mean Maddow, and Olbermann has been gone for a while now. I'm curious about the sincerity of your post, or was this a copy/paste from years gone by?
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)I get most of my news from print sources. I read newspapers. Online, admittedly, and not in actual print. US TV news has several serious problems; first, it's very parochial and insular (aliens who only had American news media to go by would probably be astonished to discover that the USA wasn't the only country on the planet); second, it's less about informing and more about entertaining. Third, it reduces every issue to soundbites and, at least in politics, strives for some sort of mindless "balance", as though xenophobia, religiously-motivated misogyny, and anti-scientific ignorance are as deserving of serious consideration and respect as any other entrant into the marketplace of ideas.
I've lived in the UK for going on four years now; when I *watch* the news at all it's the BBC. Which is very different to any American TV news channel; the newsreaders aren't "personalities"; there's no sensationalism or gimmickry, the screen isn't covered with distracting tickers and updates (just a discreet scroll at the bottom)...and there are no adverts.
My British wife, after I showed her Fox News and CNN and so on, had this to say: "Oh dear. I saw Bob Roberts, and I thought they were taking the piss out of American TV news...but...it's really like that, isn't it?"
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Or the worry that in seeking out only news sources that reaffirm your political beliefs you are a) occasionally misinformed, b) critically lazy?
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HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)I think that's primarily because of the spillover of the LBN rule that you have to provide a link to your source. It's sort of become a standard requirement (community enforced) in all forums and groups. How many times have you seen a post without a link and one of the first replies will be "Link?"
That's particularly true for regional news. National news is somewhat concentrated in a few major players (AP, AFP, Reuters, Christian Science Monitor, etc.) and the major news sites (obviously excluding FOX on the grounds that it isn't "news" all look relatively the same because they're all using the same stories and sources. Local news is often far more important nationally than the so-called "national" news. Take the Voter ID law in PA for example. I get the local paper (Harrisburg Patriot-News) and it is amazing how much you glean from the print version that the on-line version doesn't cover. Regional stories are a lot harder to track down, but they show up on DU regularly.
As for national/world news, the paper is not worth much in that respect because I've already seen damn near every story on DU or elsewhere before the paper hits the press. Sadly, they're moving to a three-day distribution beginning 1 Jan (a disturbing trend).
As for TV, I shut that off in '82 or so. If there's a clip worth watching, it either shows up here or at Crooks&Liars, or both. There's been a progressively more annoying invasion of commercials in on-line clips, but it's still targeted viewing. The only time I'm exposed to "TV" is at bars and it's just an endless loop of the same shit. Every ten to fifteen minutes, they restart whatever loop they're on. Yeah, most of it is sports in a bar (I don't give a rat's ass about sports), but even then it's most of what they do. Boooooorrrrriiinnngggg.
RobinA
(9,888 posts)in 20 years unless there is something local going on. Yes, I own a TV. I get my news mostly through print because the Internet obsesses on too many tempests in teapots as being significant. I use Internet to see "what people are saying" and to keep tabs on what's out there that I want to read about when it gets to print. If I find someone I respect in print I may check them out on the Internet.
TV news is godawful crap.
alp227
(32,020 posts)MSNBC or the Free Speech TV shows "Democracy Now" and the Thom Hartmann show.