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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat is your opinion of taxes on capital gains??
Should they be taxed at a lower level than workers' wages?
Should they be taxed at a progressive rate?
How much does the Treasury lose each year because of the low capital gains rate? If the wealthy don't pay their fair share of capital gains taxes, doesn't it have to be made up somewhere else, or added to the deficit?
What is the argument for taxing capital gains at a lower rate??
randr
(12,412 posts)No real work involved.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)bank account, they should pay a lot more than those that actually work for a living.
Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)And it should be progressive.
If you make 100k in capital gains, why should it be treated as some kind of "magical non-money"?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)If we start splitting hairs then we are right back to the Swiss cheese loophole system that is causing us so many problems already.
ThomThom
(1,486 posts)lower but the other capital gains should be higher than the rate working people pay. This gives an incentive to leave the money in the business. Higher wages, new equipment, growing the business would be the result.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)if you want to reward people for hard work, reward wages.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Making money without doing work should be taxed higher than money earned through productive work. The system is backward.
dawg
(10,624 posts)If you bought a property in 1980 for $40,000 and sold it in 2012 for $80,000, you haven't really had an economic gain. The difference is entirely due to inflation, so it makes sense to tax this "gain" at a lower rate.
But one year is far too short a period to qualify for this break, in my opinion. I would make capital gains fully taxable up to five years; 50% taxable from five to twenty years; and non-taxable beyond 20. (If they're holding something for 20 years, they're probably planning on dying with it anyway.)
And as for the carried interest loophole that allows fund managers to classify their fees as capital gains, that is pure unadulterated bullshit and should be repealed immediately.
True Earthling
(832 posts)artificially appreciates assets...your argument for holding periods is spot on as well.
Good post.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)...from capital gains - so small investors aren't discouraged.
Jankyn
(253 posts)I don't necessarily think we want to penalize the investor class, but they shouldn't be paying a LOWER rate than that for earned income.
So weight capital gains taxes for the length of the investment (thus rewarding those who live in their homes rather than those who flip them), and offer a lower rate for retirement investment gains in addition to deferred taxation.
But I think this is the sort of question that we the wage-earners ought to be talking about at every opportunity, thanks to Romney.
edhopper
(33,575 posts)no reason a paycheck should be taxed more than an investment.
the only reason there is a difference is to make the rich richer. In that it has been highly successful.
And not talked about is how many CEOs and Fund Managers pay capital gains on their salary, even though it is based on the investment of other people's money.
The Kleptrocasy is alive and well.
sinkingfeeling
(51,454 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The Repukes tell us over and over again about how work is "dignified" and necessary, and how laziness is criminal.
There is nothing that involves less work and more sloth than sitting on a pile of money while doing nothing and raking in the filthy lucre.
Progressive taxation at a rate 5-10% higher than taxation of income earned by actual work, maxing out at around 70%.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)The highest rate would equal the top income tax rate, and be for holding the equity for any period below 1 month.
I would also reduce to 10% the capital gains rate for any equity held longer than 2 years, which would reduce the rate on the typical small investor.
This would not just increase tax revenues, it would discourage the pump and dump selling the major institutions have been doing, lessening the volatility in the process.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Sure they may risk their money, but with all the money that the rich banksters and speculators make each year, and the fact that WE THE PEOPLE bailed their sorry asses out, and the fact that their main aim is to rip people off, they don't risk much. After all, it's only money.
Not like a cop, or fireman, or other worker who risk their lives and pay more than twice that. Not like a laborer who makes money by the sweat of his or her brow.
No, the whole thing is flip-flopped. Capital gains and other investments should be what wage earners make, and wage earners should pay what investors are paying today.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)What the hell is up with cutting it off for the upper middle class and higher?
SteveG
(3,109 posts)Amendment XVI [1913] The Congress shall have power to lay and collect
taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment
among the several States, and without regard to any census or
enumeration.
As far as I am concerned, it should be treated the same as winnings from gambling, because essentially when you invest in a company you are betting on their success. When you buy a corporate bond, you are betting that you will get paid back with interest.
I would give this exception, a one time exemption of paying capital gains on investments after a person reaches say 55 or 60 (they do t his for primary residences already). This would encourage long term investments for retirement and it would reduce churn in the markets making long term investing much more attractive than short term investments.
Xolodno
(6,390 posts)...Interest rates are low, they should be very high. That way it encourages investment, development, etc. which causes people to get hired, raises wages, etc.
If interest rates are high they should be low to help with combating inflation, stop overheating the economy, etc.
DrewFlorida
(1,096 posts)Therfore capital gains should be taxed at a higher rate than income from labor. While investment capital adds value to the economy indirectly, labor is the main ingredient of added value to any product or service.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)many. I can give you the blatant lie that is pushed out for consumption by the sheeple, but since it is a lie, I won't bother unless you really want to read it.
Being true to my user name, I think that they should be taxed at at least the same rate as earned income, and can make a good argument for taxing them at a significantly higher rate.
And finally; Yes, the rate of taxation should be progressive, of course.
KSstellarcat
(50 posts)This is a topic that I'm unsure about. I'm a teacher, and I do receive some capital gains when I use some trust money that my parents invested for me. If these were taxed at a really high rate, it would definitely have a negative impact on me. I do know that I'm really lucky to have this safety net, but I can't decide if I just selfishly don't want a big tax hike.
The same uncertainty applies when my parents talk about the inheritance taxes.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)but that was me, to a degree, falling for the "common wisdom" that incentives are required to encourage investment but I now believe that at a minimum the rate should be the same as income from labor and think somewhat above that is needed to restore value to work in this country. Especially since a lot of this income is just borrowing tax dollars at near zero and hitting the casino for a quick return.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)They should be taxed at at least twice the rate for earned income. Corporate taxes on proifit should be very high too, make them re-invest.
RB TexLa
(17,003 posts)less people will take the risk. Saying it should be taxed at the same rate is the libertarian position. To say the government should not do something to help spur investment is like saying the government should not build roads, people should build them themselves.
aka-chmeee
(1,132 posts)The lower tax appears to be an additional reward for taking a profitable risk. I don't understand what you mean by "if there is no incentive to help offset the risk". If the risk was realized and the investment lost, it doesn't help at all. Historically, it seems the "incentive to take the risk" justification for lower capital gains taxes are just as much a canard as the "lower taxes on the wealthy "job creators" will lead to higher employment for the rest of us".