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hlthe2b

(102,298 posts)
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 01:01 PM Aug 2020

**Breaking**Postal Service Changes to draw legal action from at least 20 States Attorneys General

At least 20 states plan to sue the U.S. Postal Service over service delays, threat to election

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-least-20-states-plan-to-sue-the-us-postal-service-over-service-delays-threat-to-election/2020/08/18/c6ca2dc6-e166-11ea-b69b-64f7b0477ed4_story.html?tidr=a_breakingnews&hpid=hp_no-name_hp-breaking-news%3Apage%2Fbreaking-news-bar


At least 20 states plan to file lawsuits this week against the U.S. Postal Service and its new postmaster, Louis DeJoy, seeking to reverse service changes that have prompted widespread reports of delays and accusations of an intentional effort to thwart voters from mailing their ballots this fall.

The suits, expected to be filed in federal court imminently, will argue that the Postal Service broke the law by making operational changes without first seeking approval from the Postal Regulatory Commission. They will also argue that the changes will impede states’ ability to run “free and fair elections,” officials from several state attorney general offices told The Washington Post.
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Maryland is signing onto a suit led by Washington state, which is expected to be filed at 2 p.m. Tuesday, and also includes Colorado, Connecticut, Illinois, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia and Wisconsin, according to a draft of the suit obtained by The Washington Post.

Separately, Pennsylvania is filing another suit, joined by California, Delaware, Maine, Massachusetts and North Carolina, among others.

All the states are represented by Democratic attorneys general.
--snip--
Shapiro and Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson were scheduled to announce the lawsuits Tuesday afternoon. New York Attorney General Letitia James planned separate legal action, a spokesman said Tuesday.

Pennsylvania’s suit was expected to be filed “imminently,” the Shapiro adviser said.
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**Breaking**Postal Service Changes to draw legal action from at least 20 States Attorneys General (Original Post) hlthe2b Aug 2020 OP
Go go go! soothsayer Aug 2020 #1
I'm glad to see Letitia James is doing a separate suit... The more angles, the better. hlthe2b Aug 2020 #2
Going after the Voting Rights Violations in addition hlthe2b Aug 2020 #3
Excellent. dalton99a Aug 2020 #4
Good! DeJoy is claiming he'll halt all of the USPS changes for now, crickets Aug 2020 #10
indeed - a lot of damage has been (permanently) done! - nt Locrian Aug 2020 #15
Cuckoo Don: "laws are for losers" DSandra Aug 2020 #5
McQuade: "Obstructing mail is federal offense, but who's going to prosecute Trump's PMG? THE STATES hlthe2b Aug 2020 #6
👏👏👏👏👏 SheltieLover Aug 2020 #7
And conspicuous by its absence is, of course.. ananda Aug 2020 #8
Only Dem AGs give a damn, apparently. hlthe2b Aug 2020 #12
Damn right! ananda Aug 2020 #35
Despite DeJoy's BS claims he's backing off (which I don't believe for moment), AG's need to go ahead hlthe2b Aug 2020 #9
👆 This! crickets Aug 2020 #11
Why this is so important: "Democrats (COngress) Don't Have Many Tools To Protect The Postal Service hlthe2b Aug 2020 #13
Recent comments from PA's Governor (Wolf) and AG (Shapiro) BumRushDaShow Aug 2020 #14
the damage is done already neohippie Aug 2020 #17
DeJoy may find himself a sacrificial lamb BumRushDaShow Aug 2020 #32
thanks for that update... hlthe2b Aug 2020 #23
My state NM is in there. triron Aug 2020 #16
Trump will have to pardon Benjamin Franklin bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #18
First Postmaster-General BumRushDaShow Aug 2020 #34
So is he going to also do some dumpster diving. gordianot Aug 2020 #19
Nothing. The Charges must be pursued to try and restore what can be salvaged. Tommymac Aug 2020 #21
Mr Kirschner Elucidates: The Daily Irishman Aug 2020 #20
thanks for posting this hlthe2b Aug 2020 #22
Do you have a reference or some background on this person? littlemissmartypants Aug 2020 #27
LMSP: that is Glenn Kirschner-- a well respected former US Prosecutor and an MSNBC legal contributor hlthe2b Aug 2020 #28
Glenn Kirschner????? The Daily Irishman Aug 2020 #29
Nope. Not joking. Maybe your post would be better content for the littlemissmartypants Aug 2020 #31
AG's need to continue with the lawsuits even if LeJoy reverses himself. There must be consequenses riversedge Aug 2020 #24
WA state AG Bob Ferguson is a rock star! I was thrilled to vote for him again in the primary. OMGWTF Aug 2020 #25
Why is it only Democrats care about laws mdbl Aug 2020 #26
It seems GOP is okay with the attack on USPS. Wake up America. nt oasis Aug 2020 #30
republicans truly don't give a shit about 'America' do they? spanone Aug 2020 #33
Good statement from Pelosi: hlthe2b Aug 2020 #36
Notice How They Sue Them Instead Of Arresting Them DanieRains Aug 2020 #37
Civil action necessary first to gain a court injunction to try to stop what is in progress. hlthe2b Aug 2020 #38

hlthe2b

(102,298 posts)
3. Going after the Voting Rights Violations in addition
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 01:06 PM
Aug 2020

Last edited Tue Aug 18, 2020, 01:49 PM - Edit history (1)


“States have the right to conduct mail-in elections if they choose,” Frosh said. “Trump is trying to undermine that.”

Frosh said the operational changes are also a violation of the Voting Rights Act, saying the sorting machine removal disproportionately impacts cities, which tend to be home to minorities. The lawsuit also contends violations of the Americans with Disability Act by making it more difficult for people with physical disabilities and health conditions to safely cast a ballot.

crickets

(25,981 posts)
10. Good! DeJoy is claiming he'll halt all of the USPS changes for now,
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 02:07 PM
Aug 2020

but he needs to restore the capacity the USPS had before he wrecked it. The loss of those sorting machines needs to be addressed before the election. He can't be allowed to just walk away from that.

hlthe2b

(102,298 posts)
6. McQuade: "Obstructing mail is federal offense, but who's going to prosecute Trump's PMG? THE STATES
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 01:13 PM
Aug 2020

thats who! Some on STATE charges that can't be pardoned... Even better.


ananda

(28,867 posts)
8. And conspicuous by its absence is, of course..
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 01:42 PM
Aug 2020

the great state of Texas, land of equal opportunity
sickness and death... and general dumbfuckery.

hlthe2b

(102,298 posts)
9. Despite DeJoy's BS claims he's backing off (which I don't believe for moment), AG's need to go ahead
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 01:58 PM
Aug 2020

and further they should be involved in Pelosi/Schumer's discussions. A full inventory of all removed sorters and other property is a MUST. AG's need to document and take affidavits from employees at facilities from which they were removed and if these expensive sorters were destroyed, file against the destruction of property.

hlthe2b

(102,298 posts)
13. Why this is so important: "Democrats (COngress) Don't Have Many Tools To Protect The Postal Service
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 02:43 PM
Aug 2020

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-post-office-trump_n_5f3beda2c5b6b1015127e020

The biggest and most drastic strategy ― impeachment ― is an unlikely remedy, given that Election Day is only 77 days away and the GOP-held Senate, once again, will almost certainly let Trump do whatever he wants.

But Congress’ best tool ― the power of the purse ― is also complicated.

At issue is the cash-strapped Postal Service, which needs more government funding to sustain itself. But Trump doesn’t want to bail out the agency. He believes a functioning Postal Service would help Democrats win via mail-in ballots in November.

“They need that money in order to have the post office work,” Trump said last week on Fox Business, “so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots".

BumRushDaShow

(129,133 posts)
14. Recent comments from PA's Governor (Wolf) and AG (Shapiro)
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 02:44 PM
Aug 2020



TEXT


Governor Tom Wolf
@GovernorTomWolf
I’m on a call with @SenBobCasey and @PAAttorneyGen to demand action against the president's efforts to defund @USPS, which has played a critical role in delivering ballots for hundreds of years.

Cheap attempts to undercut this essential service are an assault to our democracy.
Governor Wolf, Senator Casey, and Attorney General Shapiro on a virtual call to discuss USPS funding.
2:24 PM · Aug 18, 2020






TEXT

Josh Shapiro
@JoshShapiroPA
Recent post office changes have been implemented recklessly. We're taking action to reinstate Postal Service standards that all Americans depend on, whether it’s for delivering their prescription drugs or for carrying their very right to vote.
At least 20 states plan to sue the U.S. Postal Service over service delays, threat to election
The challenges come after reports of mail delays across the country following new procedures put into place by Postmaster General Louis DeJoy.
washingtonpost.com
1:13 PM · Aug 18, 2020

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
17. the damage is done already
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 02:50 PM
Aug 2020




7 sorting machines already removed from Charlotte NC there's more already gone all over the country

BumRushDaShow

(129,133 posts)
32. DeJoy may find himself a sacrificial lamb
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 04:39 PM
Aug 2020

now that the deed is done. You know how that "distances himself from..." thing eventually goes...

BumRushDaShow

(129,133 posts)
34. First Postmaster-General
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 04:58 PM
Aug 2020

(before and after the Revolution)

His later house was behind the colonial era post office building that used to be one of his earlier homes (that is still an operational post office - have been in there many times)



gordianot

(15,242 posts)
19. So is he going to also do some dumpster diving.
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 02:59 PM
Aug 2020

There are already collection boxes and sorting machines. What exactly does this change?

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
21. Nothing. The Charges must be pursued to try and restore what can be salvaged.
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 03:10 PM
Aug 2020

90% of the work to derail mail in ballots in key areas is done...

Forcing people in those critical districts to vote in person on Putin validated machines.

littlemissmartypants

(22,695 posts)
27. Do you have a reference or some background on this person?
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 03:58 PM
Aug 2020

It wouldn't be good to get slammed for spamming the board your first week of posting. Do you have a reference?

❤lmsp

riversedge

(70,245 posts)
24. AG's need to continue with the lawsuits even if LeJoy reverses himself. There must be consequenses
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 03:18 PM
Aug 2020

for disrupting Fed. mail service.

hlthe2b

(102,298 posts)
36. Good statement from Pelosi:
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 05:14 PM
Aug 2020
https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/81820-0


MENU
Pelosi Statement on Postal Announcement of Pause to Operational Changes Delaying the Mail
August 18, 2020
Press Release

San Francisco – Speaker Nancy Pelosi issued this statement after the Postmaster General announced a temporary pause in operational changes that are delaying the mail and threatening to disenfranchise voters:

“Postmaster General DeJoy’s announcement of what may be a temporary pause in operational changes delaying the mail is a necessary but insufficient first step in ending the President’s election sabotage campaign. This pause only halts a limited number of the Postmaster’s changes, does not reverse damage already done, and alone is not enough to ensure voters will not be disenfranchised by the President this fall.

“The House will be moving ahead with our vote this Saturday on Chairwoman Maloney’s ‘Delivering for America Act,’ which prohibits the Postal Service from implementing any changes to operations or level of service it had in place on January 1, 2020 and provides $25 billion in critical funding to support the Postal Service: the same level of funding recommended by the USPS Board of Governors, which is 100 percent composed of Trump appointees. We also will be demanding answers from the Postmaster General in his testimony next week.

“During a pandemic, the Postal Service is Election Central. No one should be forced to choose between their health and their vote.”

hlthe2b

(102,298 posts)
38. Civil action necessary first to gain a court injunction to try to stop what is in progress.
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 05:26 PM
Aug 2020

This legally preserves the "record" as well. Likewise buys time to complete a criminal investigation. No one is going to bring criminal charges against a Federal official without having first conducted a full investigation.

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