The 36 year old mother and five other kids survived this fire

[malaise]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/08/four-siblings-die-house-fire
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A teenager and three of his young siblings have died after a house fire in Lancashire on Saturday night. A joint forensic investigation by police and the fire service is being carried out in an effort to try to establish the cause.

The four victims were named by their grandfather as Reece Smith, 19, four-year-old twins Holly and Ella, and two-year-old Jordan.

They were treated at the scene by paramedics after being rescued from a bungalow in the Fylde coast village of Freckleton, but they were pronounced dead later at Preston Royal Infirmary.

Firefighters led their mother, Michelle Smith, 36, out of the house and it is thought she escaped injury. Her five other children survived.
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May be a bad time to ask but how does a 36 year old have nine children in these times?

[TheDebbieDee]

1. Maybe she's Catholic or some other religion that believes family planning is an

abomination against God.

Or, maybe she's just careless...........very, very careless.

[liberalhistorian]

5. Yes, she got pregnant all on her own.

It was ALL her and ALL her responsibility. No men involved at all, nosirree.

And WTF difference does it make at this point, she's lost FIVE CHILDREN suddenly and tragically. You think it doesn't mean as much to her 'cause she's not what YOU would think of as "ideal"?

WTF is happening to this place lately, sometimes it's like wondering into freepville.

[TheDebbieDee]

10. WTH is your problem? At no point did I imply that her children deserved to die.

I merely commented on why a woman mught have so many children. But while we're at it, Do you think she was raped everytime she had sex? No, she had unprotected consenual sex with a partner who also wasn't using protection.

This woman had a choice................and so did all of her partners.

Which leads me back to my original hypothesis. Either she's careless, or has religious reasons for having that many children.

[liberalhistorian]

12. WTH is my problem? My problem

is not that I think that you implied that the children in any way deserved to die, which you did not. My problem is that you are focusing on an issue that has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the story and that you are showing extreme insensitivity and poor taste in even bringing it up, let alone going on and on about it. If this were a middle-class or upper income family, I doubt you'd even be considering the issue. I DO NOT CARE how she had so many children and it DOES NOT MATTER at this point.

She is suffering unimaginable grief and pain, the kind that, as a parent, I cannot begin to imagine going through. It does not matter one bit how she came to have these children at this point. The implication you and the other insensitive clods who are even focusing on such a trivial matter are that she does not somehow feel the same pain at the loss of multiple children as those in different circumstances or with less children. That is truly unconscionable and disgusting. And very freeperish.

[TheDebbieDee]

14. I think it's amusing that you are so easily upset by the opinion of a complete stranger.

I had no idea I was that powerful..............What can I say - I laugh at your outrage, LH! Get over yourself. Really............

[liberalhistorian]

15. Glad you can find something humorous in such

a tragic situation, 'cause I sure can't. No concern at all for the bereaved mother-incredible. You sure you're on the right site?

And how typical-when you can't find any response to what someone has said about you, just turn it around on them to make yourself look better.

[TheDebbieDee]

19. You make a real freeper's job SO easy!

[uppityperson]

22. Are you saying you are a real freeper?

[liberalhistorian]

25. Sure sounds like she is,

doesn't it?

[Tsiyu]

16. Stop patting yourself on the back

you sound -from your posts - like a very insensitive, cruel person. There's no power in that. Only disgrace.

People like you, who can only find something negative to say when someone else is suffering are a dime a dozen in this world. Psychiatrists call people sociopaths who are unable to empathize with others.

Does that make you feel mighty? If so, that's pretty sick. Others' comments are a normal response to sociopathic utterance, not a sign of your online "power."

[TheDebbieDee]

20. I'm totally trolling you.......

How often do you let strangers on a public forum get under your skin like this?

You really should take a break from the internet...........

[Tsiyu]

21. Woohoo

where the heck is that wanker smilie when you need it?

[TransitJohn]

2. Lots of unprotected sex? eom

n/t

[liberalhistorian]

4. Jesus. H. Christ,

WTF difference does it make at this point? The woman has suddenly and tragically LOST FIVE CHILDREN. That's FIVE. You think because she has so many that she doesn't feel such a loss the same as "normal" people? You think because she isn't what YOU consider "ideal" that she doesn't have the same kind of feelings and doesn't feel the loss as much? Jesus. H. Christ. What a fucking freeperish RW thing to say and focus on.

[txwhitedove]

6. Exactly. Thank you.

[liberalhistorian]

7. Thanks. This thread is making me think

I wondered into freeperville somehow.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

9. lost four children, five survived. and yes, the question is in extremely poor taste

and the timing is truly bad.

[EFerrari]

23. You're putting words into the OP's mouth and then calling them freeperish.

It might be efficient but it isn't in any way what she said.

[liberalhistorian]

24. Oh, it isn't? Really?

Then why the hell even bring up that ridiculous and insensitive question at the end that has nothing to do with anything? Such an attitude can readily be inferred from such a question.

[EFerrari]

26. Her thought process isn't yours. You can always sue in civil court.

And no, her question didn't suggest any of the horrible things you attributed to her. Really.

[liberalhistorian]

27. You don't think such a question was just a tad bit

unnecessary, given the circumstances, not to mention insenstive, thoughtless and cruel? And you don't think the fact that she expressed no concern whatsoever for the mother or the tragedy itself says something? Whatever.

[malaise]

30. She lost four beautiful children

and losing one would be painful.

[Quantess]

8. This seems like a really insensitive time to be asking this question.

[Warpy]

11. It's only been "these times" for the last three years.

Why she had all those kiddies was her business. But she's only produced one more "in these times."

My sympathy goes to her for losing so many of her children.

[Arkansas Granny]

13. Yes. It's a bad time to ask. It's a very bad time to ask.

[Tsiyu]

17. Agreed

A) ain't nobody's business

B) she has suffered a horrendous loss, and the question seems very cold.

[BiggJawn]

18. Yes, it *IS* a bad time to ask.

I'm surprised you haven't been handed over to the tender mercies of THE JURY yet.

[Rowdyboy]

28. If thats how you want to approach this tragedy, then fine-thats your business....

But since you asked, I agree that your timing is really off here.

[moriah]

29. To answer your question (even if it's HORRIBLE timing...)

.... seen the price of condoms lately? Especially for those of us with latex sensitivities?

Preventing kids may be cheaper in the long-run, but DAMN it's expensive in the short-term if you have an active sex life.

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Carry on with the flamethrowing...

[Dorian Gray]

31. Awful question

in the wake of the loss of those poor children. My heart goes out to this woman. I hope that she and her surviving children recover physically and emotionally from this tragedy.

[Brickbat]

32. What the hell is wrong with you?

[liberalhistorian]

33. That's a very good question, unlike the OP's question.

It reminds me of a time about six or so years ago, when I lived in my former state. A woman who had seven children and was on welfare lost her rental house and six of her young children in an early-morning fire. It was a horrible tragedy, caused by the landlord's negligence in repairing some wiring.

But a couple morning radio hosts were talking about it that morning and the next and they were actually LAUGHING over it, saying that "she's gonna have to start getting busy again replacing all those kids so she can have that larger check every month. How's she gonna live off of us now with just one little brat?" I COULD NOT BELIEVE what I was hearing. And no, they weren't joking, not at all. And no, they weren't fired over it, either, people didn't really seem to care. The attitude is that if you're poor, you don't have the same feelings as everyone else.

[Broderick]

34. Maybe adoption?

Doesn't say does it?

Either way crass imo.

[Recovered Repug]

35. Isn't that a part of being "pro-choice'? nt/