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Take back the narrative - last night's killer came from the Con's Caravans (Original Post) malaise Aug 2020 OP
From the news I read it was a right wing doc03 Aug 2020 #1
How "convenient." When things are so much of a political advantage live love laugh Aug 2020 #2
Why won't it take back the narrative? gab13by13 Aug 2020 #3
Just follow who has been killing whom malaise Aug 2020 #4
and the police give them water and allow a murderer to go home. gab13by13 Aug 2020 #6
No one knows who the shooter was. It could have been a nut on the caravan Vinca Aug 2020 #5
Doesn't appear that way from the video Klaralven Aug 2020 #8
Joe Biden must make clear who has been sowing chaos. Kid Berwyn Aug 2020 #7
Interesting article. Thanks for the link. nt crickets Aug 2020 #30
wrap... myohmy2 Aug 2020 #9
Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys StocktonNative Aug 2020 #10
Off topic but DownriverDem Aug 2020 #11
No. People will not be kicked off radical noodle Aug 2020 #28
Don't you know how to Start a Discussion? SharonClark Aug 2020 #29
I noticed that AP News is using the word 'caravans' Danascot Aug 2020 #12
Need to build a wall. safeinOhio Aug 2020 #15
I do not understand your post. The facts do not support what you are asserting. RelativelyJones Aug 2020 #13
Trumpers caused the death!!!! mfcorey1 Aug 2020 #18
Trumpers caused the death!!!! mfcorey1 Aug 2020 #27
correct bigtree Aug 2020 #14
I believe Rebl2 Aug 2020 #20
Exactly Sunsky Aug 2020 #16
He want everyone older than 65 worth under certain amounts to die, too. Like all those ... marble falls Aug 2020 #17
Time for more veterans to turn against him IronLionZion Aug 2020 #23
If he cheats and wins Chasdev Aug 2020 #19
The gaslighting coming from the right about violent anarchists is mind boggling tulipsandroses Aug 2020 #21
The Con called his goons patriots malaise Aug 2020 #25
There was less death and violence in America with the last president IronLionZion Aug 2020 #22
id like to know how a 17 yo got a automatic weapon om the first place AllaN01Bear Aug 2020 #24
Great question but I want to know how come malaise Aug 2020 #26
The protesters knew the Trump caravan was coming. How about standing down and letting them pass doc03 Aug 2020 #31

doc03

(35,432 posts)
1. From the news I read it was a right wing
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 07:32 AM
Aug 2020

white Trump supporter. I fail to see. how that takes back the nerrative. It can only help Trump. The only thing they are accomplishing in Portland is helping Trump get 4 more years. Now he will use this as an excuse to send in his federal brown shirts.

live love laugh

(13,189 posts)
2. How "convenient." When things are so much of a political advantage
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 07:40 AM
Aug 2020

further investigation is warranted.

gab13by13

(21,481 posts)
3. Why won't it take back the narrative?
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 07:50 AM
Aug 2020

I have been wondering how much of the rioting is not caused by the left but caused by Trump supporters. If we keep proving that it is Trump supporters who are causing the trouble why isn't that taking back the narrative?

Trump supporters could be the ones who are setting Reichstag fires and blaming peaceful protesters.

gab13by13

(21,481 posts)
6. and the police give them water and allow a murderer to go home.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 07:59 AM
Aug 2020

..and no one blinks an eye? The kid should have been arrested before he murdered 2 people.

Vinca

(50,323 posts)
5. No one knows who the shooter was. It could have been a nut on the caravan
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 07:56 AM
Aug 2020

spraying the crowd. No matter who did it, this makes one point crystal clear: TOO MANY GUNS IN THIS COUNTRY.

Kid Berwyn

(15,040 posts)
7. Joe Biden must make clear who has been sowing chaos.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 08:10 AM
Aug 2020
LEAKED DOCUMENTS SHOW POLICE KNEW FAR-RIGHT EXTREMISTS WERE THE REAL THREAT AT PROTESTS, NOT “ANTIFA”

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/15/george-floyd-protests-police-far-right-antifa/

StocktonNative

(120 posts)
10. Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 08:57 AM
Aug 2020

are the two popular racist hate groups here in Portland
.then you have a series of press guys and Andy Ngo and Q conspiracists who are their publicist. There is no doubt these hate member are starting fire, starting riots and even throwing pipe bombs to stir up shit here.

Today what started as a Trump Truck Rally became a ride to the city to pepper spray and paint ball citizens in the downtown area. One person dead.

DownriverDem

(6,233 posts)
11. Off topic but
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 08:58 AM
Aug 2020

please pass around: Starting tomorrow employers and employees will not have to pay FICA taxes (Social Security). So those on it will get kicked off and those ready to get it (those in their 50s) are shit out of luck?

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
29. Don't you know how to Start a Discussion?
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 10:51 AM
Aug 2020

Replying “off topic” is a waste of your time unless you are trying to hijack a thread.

Danascot

(4,699 posts)
12. I noticed that AP News is using the word 'caravans'
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 08:59 AM
Aug 2020

so the same wording is being used by a number of major news outlets including the NYT.

Trump supporters, protesters clash in Portland; 1 killed

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — One person was shot and killed late Saturday in Portland, Oregon, as a large caravan of President Donald Trump supporters and Black Lives Matter protesters clashed in the streets, police said.

It wasn’t clear if the shooting was linked to fights that broke out as a caravan of about 600 vehicles was confronted by counter-demonstrators in the city’s downtown.

Police said the caravan had left the area around 8:30 p.m., and officers heard gunshots at about 8:46 p.m., according to a statement. Officers arrived at the shooting scene “within a minute,” police said, but the man who was shot did not survive.


https://apnews.com/6706c916dc6a156b9847baca437a91de

A caravan of supporters of President Trump drove through downtown Portland, which has seen nightly protests against police violence and racial injustice. One person was shot and killed in the conflicts that erupted.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/30/us/portland-trump-rally-shooting.html

The caravans are also being called Trump trains:

https://www.themonitor.com/2020/08/24/photo-gallery-trump-train-rolls-mcallen/



Rebl2

(13,584 posts)
20. I believe
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 09:52 AM
Aug 2020

many republicans are in favor of more guns because they want right wing citizens to start a civil war.

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
16. Exactly
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 09:26 AM
Aug 2020

Our side need to be more vocal. We have to beat Trump at the framing the narrative.
Joe or Kamala need to have a daily press conference. Show the country what it will be like under a president Biden in these tumultuous times and remind the country that Trump is the current president. I know he and Kamala have a sit-down planned for Tuesday but that's many days behind Trump, who receives daily press. These are the last days and team Trump has ramped up their disinformation campaign, we cannot sit back like it's June/July.

marble falls

(57,427 posts)
17. He want everyone older than 65 worth under certain amounts to die, too. Like all those ...
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 09:29 AM
Aug 2020

of us who use VA.

IronLionZion

(45,615 posts)
23. Time for more veterans to turn against him
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 09:59 AM
Aug 2020

considering how he had his goons beat up the Navy vet in Portland and broke his arms, and generally failing his promises to help veterans with various issues.

Chasdev

(33 posts)
19. If he cheats and wins
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 09:37 AM
Aug 2020

Then those caravans may visit democratic controlled towns and cities.
I am a long time collector of WWII items, including trophy weapons brought back to the US by victorious American soldiers.
My large collection of same has now been liquidated but I still view the collector forums and I can tell you that the most extreme maga crowd is posting very dangerous opinions on "allowing" democrats to live in America after Drumph is declared dictator for life.
This is why I retained a few firearms, I WILL NOT let them wipe out my family.
I have no intentions of attending any group gathering, political or not, but if the caravans start rolling and come down MY street trying to cleanse America of Democrats, they will be met with resistance.
I ask everyone if they would rather possess an evil machine and not need it or need it and not posses it.

tulipsandroses

(5,131 posts)
21. The gaslighting coming from the right about violent anarchists is mind boggling
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 09:56 AM
Aug 2020

When in fact, the ones committing murder are Trump supporting white supremacist terrorists.

I didn't watch the RNC shit show, but I saw replay of a tidbit of Pence's speech when he was talking about the protests and " law and order" - I noticed he made a point to say Americans will not strike down Americans in the street. Creating a false narrative, as you said - that protesters are striking down people. Which is a damn lie. The people by and large that are striking down people are white supremacist terrorists. But they want to make it seem as if the protesters are are out to kill and maim people. It feeds the narrative of those scary black, brown and leftist Antifa folks are out to get " good Americans".

Dear baby Beyonce I can't wait for all this to be over.

malaise

(269,260 posts)
25. The Con called his goons patriots
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 10:02 AM
Aug 2020

At what point is M$Greedia going to call this what it is - white supremacist terror against peaceful protesters

AllaN01Bear

(18,680 posts)
24. id like to know how a 17 yo got a automatic weapon om the first place
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 10:01 AM
Aug 2020

a crime . how he was transported accross state lines. another crime . and the police assisted him to go home ?

malaise

(269,260 posts)
26. Great question but I want to know how come
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 10:10 AM
Aug 2020

these MAGAts are shooting paint ball guns openly at protesters. Donald Trump is a fucking terrorist.
Lock h im up!

doc03

(35,432 posts)
31. The protesters knew the Trump caravan was coming. How about standing down and letting them pass
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:59 PM
Aug 2020

through. Like it or not the Trump supports also have a the right to protest. They did exactly what Trump was wanting, he needs an excuse to send in the goons, now he has it. What is going on in Portland should have been dealt with weeks ago. There is a difference in a peaceable protest and occupying a city for 90 days.

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