October Surprise - Who Thinks It's a Vaccine???

[qwlauren35]

Nothing else could do it.

But if it happens, it is SUCH a game changer.

Even if he just SAYS there's a vaccine, even if people can't get it, it's a game changer.

Two months.

[SoonerPride]

1. Of course he will say it

It won’t be delivered regardless until 2021

It isn’t physically possible

And even so it won’t change the game because he is still responsible for 200,000 dead and 40,000,000 unemployed

[dem4decades]

2. He's fucking gas lighter, of course he'll say it. If it kills people he doesn't care as long

as it serves his purpose.

[rurallib]

38. those people probably wanted to die or

didn't follow the instructions right.

[csziggy]

52. He and his followers will blame deaths on "elite" doctors and researchers

After all, he takes no responsibility.

[Walleye]

3. We need to stress how badly he's likely to fuck up the next crisis.

There will be more in the next few years. He could do worse than he’s done already.

[malaise]

4. The boy who cried Hoax has no credibility left

It will be no surprise because we knew he'd make it up. If he didn't care who died when they drank bleach, Lysol or Dettol or if they took the drugs that either killed or had no benefits for Covid-19, why would anyone believe his vaccine bullshit,

Truth be told the greatest security threat to the USA is Don the fucking Con - he will kill you and then claim to have prevented 2,000,000 more from dying. Then he'll look you in the eye and tell you he did a great job.

Why would anyone take his bullshit vaccine. This monster should be locked up urgently.

[Thekaspervote]

9. No credibility whatsoever.....voters won't see it as a game changer at all

[malaise]

10. It will be as much change as his illegal effin'

festival of lies Covidention. He really believes people will buy any bullshit he spews. He has no idea how many people really and truly detest him.

[Initech]

5. No, that won't be it. Let's not forget that his base is largely anti-vaccination.

And pro-conspiracy theory. After all they came up with that inane "Plandemic" video that's been circulating around Facebook and YouTube. They won't buy into that.

[underpants]

8. Yeah but they'll spread the word

They’ll flood Facebook with it and twitter.

[Towlie]

6. In October Trump could release a vaccine. On Nov 4 folks could start dropping dead from it, but ...

... by then there would be no way to overturn Trump's reelection.

[hunter]

7. If I was Pence I'd be watching my back...

[FloridaBlues]

11. No don't think this is October surprise if there is one.

It will be some made up bull about Biden or the campaign.

[Sherman A1]

15. Yup

[Sogo]

12. If it's a vaccine, it will be the one that Russia

supposedly has developed.

Oh, yeah....Let me be the first in line.....NOT!!

[stonecutter357]

13. The October Surprise , trump ia a racist pos !

[soothsayer]

14. Doctored tapes no one will care about and phony vaccine news

Idk, he’s kind of that magician who’s still carrying on even though everyone knows how his tricks work

[still_one]

16. That would not be an October surprise, nor would it be a game changer as far as the election is

concerned

Assuming they have a vaccine ready, and it has completed phase 3, and has been shown to be effective and safe, and been peer review, it is going to take time to distribute it, and all the logistics associated with that

A good number of the vaccines require a second dose 30 days later. Even if things went perfectly, I don’t see the public getting access to it before the first quarter of next year

Vaccine or no vaccine, trump’s handling of the pandemic was and is a disaster. The games they are playing with the stimulus package is a disgrace

He doesn’t own the vaccine, he owns the 180000 people who have died, and have permanent damage, and not responding in a timely manner to to the stimulus

A vaccine doesn’t mean everything is fine. We will be lucky if it is 50% effective, like the influenza vaccine, and because of that if precautions still are not taken seriously, because people become more complacent because of false messaging, we could very well end up in an even worse situation

However, if there is an effective treatment and vaccine, that would be a game changer as far as dealing with the pandemic

I don’t think it will be a game changer as far as the election is concerned though. What has he done in the last three and three quarter years? Very little, and hurt a lot of people and businesses

[LisaL]

20. We don't have any vaccines that underwent and finished phase 3 in the US.

FDA normally doesn't approve vaccine unless they have been fully tested in the US. Yes, Trump will pressure them, and they will likely cave in under the pressure. But people will be skeptical because this vaccine won't be fully tested. At least I know I would be.

[still_one]

23. There are vaccines recruiting for phase 3 is going on now for Moderna

[LisaL]

25. I know Moderna is recruiting.

But they are nowhere near finished. Considering they are using a novel technique, I would be especially worried about that type of vaccine if it wasn't fully tested.

[still_one]

26. Not if they are going to stick to their 30000 participants in phase 3

[jmowreader]

17. Announcing a vaccine ahead of the election could cost him votes

Some of Trump's base believes vaccines are the mark of the beast described in the Book of Revelation. They also believe the coronavirus is a government plot to force us all to take this mark.

Trump can't afford to piss those people off because losing the Christian Extremist vote will, by itself, be enough to throw the election to Biden in a lot of states currently seen as lost causes by our side.

[TheRealNorth]

41. You are assuming that those voters care about consistency

But they don't. They have already sold their souls to Don the Con.

[LisaL]

18. He might announce it, and FDA might even approve it under pressure.

But there won't be any time to figure out if its even works.
And a lot of his supporters don't believe in vaccines. And Biden supporters will figure out FDA approved it under pressure without normal testing.

[Journeyman]

19. I don't know -- What will be the October Surprise from the Democrats? . . .

To paraphrase Gen. U.S. Grant:

“Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Trump and the Republicans are going to do. Some of you always seem to think Trump is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time and take control of the world. Go back to your room and try to think what we are going to do ourselves, instead of what Trump and the Republicans may do.”

So I'll leave you with words of wisdom from Mark Twain:

I am an old man and have known many troubles, most of which never happened.

Can you rise to the challenge of the day?

[Sneederbunk]

21. How would anti-vaxxers react?

[Fiendish Thingy]

22. FDA just announced they would bypass/shorten phase 3 testing process

They will absolutely announce a vaccine, and then it’s up to the scientists to speak out about the dangers.

[Native]

36. Yup, it's gonna happen.

[consider_this]

24. Even if...

a vaccine was released, and even if it actually went through all the usual testing, and even if it put a total and complete end to the virus (none of these are likely cases IMO), how exactly would it be perceived that 'he' somehow gets credit for it?

So the script is - all the shit that is happening and has happened is someone else fault (commonly Obama or Biden), anything good that happens, he takes credit for (even if done by Obama/Biden).

I seem to recall he said 'I take not responsibility' - OK, dear leader, that that should apply to all things bad or good.

Well his followers will follow whatever his narrative is, but if that is the claim to fame, do you really think it would influence anyone to vote for him that does not want to now?

[tinrobot]

27. SUCH a game changer? Boy, that's sure effusive.

I seriously doubt a vaccine announcement will have much of an impact.

He never follows through on his promises. He promised tests, there were no tests. He promised PPE, there was none. He promised ventilators, they didn't work.

He's incompetent and people know it. If you handed him working vaccines today, he'd just hoard them to drive up prices.

[Blasphemer]

35. I hope Biden/DNC/Lincoln Project have an ad ready that says exactly that... nt

[Rice4VP]

28. Will anyone believe him?

[andym]

29. I already believe the surprise is only if he doesn't announce the vaccine

that he, "big-brained," Trump is personally responsible for. It's the only thing he has besides cheating, which he will also try. People will hopefully see through the vaccine PR to remove President Surly Incompetence aka Donald Trump.

[Freddie]

30. No - I just had a long conversation with a friend who works for Merck

My son-in-law’s mother works in the vaccine section. She said all the pharmaceutical companies are gearing up cooperatively to mass produce a vaccine but only when it is proven safe through the usual trials, etc. Companies like Merck have billions $$$ at stake and will NOT jeopardize themselves putting out a potentially unsafe product. I feel a lot better about it now that I’ve talked to her. She’s had some fellow employees get sick with Covid, one just got off a ventilator after 75 days. She knows we have to take this very seriously indeed.
This was at a birthday party for our granddaughter and we all tried hard not to discuss politics but her other son started taking about how “Covid will go away after the election” - she shut him down quickly on that one.

[smirkymonkey]

37. Thanks for that!

Good to hear. I, for one, would not trust a vaccine that Trump announced or endorsed coming out in October. I think it would be worthless at best and lethal at worst. Besides, a large portion of his cult members are anti-vax, and I am not so sure they would go for it either.

[Freddie]

39. I will trust my family doc on this

When a vaccine comes out, if she says it’s safe I trust her. Not until then.

[TheRealNorth]

42. Pretty sure Federal law protects vaccine companies from vaccine-related lawsuits

Basically, the Federal Government pays out for any adverse events that result from vaccinations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Injury_Compensation_Program

[qwlauren35]

45. That is heartening.

At least with the major companies.

The news that the FDA may bypass Stage 3 was very upsetting.

[roamer65]

31. 🦠

BOO!

You’re not rid of me yet...not by a long shot with all of the antivaxxers.

[budkin]

32. I think it's the Durham report

With just a bunch of shit made up about Biden and Obama, delivered by Barr.

[Arazi]

53. Yup, it's this. The report will fabricate a story that Obama and Biden are criminals

He'll also tie in Hillary Clinton, Loretta Lynch, John Brennan, Jim Comey etc.

It will create a frenzy on the right, riling up his base just as he needs them to vote for him (and fight for him when he loses/contests the results)

[louis-t]

33. A fake vaccine, more likely.

Anything to excite the rubes.

[BannonsLiver]

34. Oh no!11

A game changer.

[Sunsky]

40. No

There's nothing surprising about a product that we have known to be in the works for awhile now. When the vaccine will become available and the quality of the vaccine is unknown. However, the mere fact that you've mentioned it as a possibility in August suggests it will be no surprise in October because a surprise should be unexpected. If one becomes available, 45 and the Trump friendly media will try to milk it as a game changer but we should call out the absurdity of that notion.
Almost 200,000 lives have been lost in the United States, because of Trump's actions/in actions and aversion to science. Scientists deserves the credit for any vaccine and not president Hydroxychloroquine Drink Bleach and Inject UV light in the body Trump.
We have to prepare for and push back at these Trumpian gimmicks.

[Hekate]

43. As I predicted at least 2 months ago. Not properly tested, rushed to production, sold like snake-oil

Trump does not care how many Trumpistas get sick from it or still catch C-19 and die, as long as they have enough time to vote for him.

[jmowreader]

44. I don't think there's going to be a workable October Surprise

I'm certain he'll try something. It'll go about as well as Bullwinkle pulling a rabbit out of his hat.

Trump's problem with October Surprises is he's already tried everything he could think of, and none of it worked.

[Dorian Gray]

46. I would love for there to be a safe vaccine....

But even if one is announced, it'll take 9 months to a year to mobilize to get enough people to get it to make a difference.

[Iggo]

47. I hope it's a vaccine. That or universal health care.

He’s still gonna lose, though.

[Steelrolled]

48. I hope all the trials have spectacular results

and if so the FDA might be justified in some kind of early approval.

I don't think that would be a game changer; if we are dependent upon having no vaccine, we are already screwed.

[KWR65]

49. Only a fool would belive there is a vaccine for covid-19 in October

[BGBD]

50. There is nothing

he could deliver right now that would change peoples minds. I just saw a poll where over half of the respondents said they would never even consider voting for Trump. That's a really nutty level of unpopularity.

Nobody who isn't in his cult believes what he says. He could say a vaccine was going to be available the day after the election and nobody would buy it.

[BlueWavePsych]

51. Oleandrin or ...