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Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:14 PM

US drone strikes target rescuers in Pakistan – and the west stays silent

http://m.guardiannews.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/20/us-drones-strikes-target-rescuers-pakistan?cat=commentisfree&type=article

Attacking rescuers – a tactic long deemed by the US a hallmark of terrorism – is now routinely used by the Obama administration

Glenn Greenwald

guardian.co.uk, Mon 20 Aug 2012 15.33 BST

The US government has long maintained, reasonably enough, that a defining tactic of terrorism is to launch a follow-up attack aimed at those who go to the scene of the original attack to rescue the wounded and remove the dead. Morally, such methods have also been widely condemned by the west as a hallmark of savagery. Yet, as was demonstrated yet again this weekend in Pakistan, this has become one of the favorite tactics of the very same US government.

A 2004 official alert from the FBI warned that "terrorists may use secondary explosive devices to kill and injure emergency personnel responding to an initial attack"; the bulletin advised that such terror devices "are generally detonated less than one hour after initial attack, targeting first responders as well as the general population". Security experts have long noted that the evil of this tactic lies in its exploitation of the natural human tendency to go to the scene of an attack to provide aid to those who are injured, and is specifically potent for sowing terror by instilling in the population an expectation that attacks can, and likely will, occur again at any time and place:


"'The problem is that once the initial explosion goes off, many people will believe that's it, and will respond accordingly,' [the Heritage Foundation's Jack] Spencer said … The goal is to 'incite more terror. If there's an initial explosion and a second explosion, then we're thinking about a third explosion,' Spencer said."

A 2007 report from the US department of homeland security christened the term "double tap" to refer to what it said was "a favorite tactic of Hamas: a device is set off, and when police and other first responders arrive, a second, larger device is set off to inflict more casualties and spread panic." Similarly, the US justice department has highlighted this tactic in its prosecutions of some of the nation's most notorious domestic terrorists. Eric Rudolph, convicted of bombing gay nightclubs and abortion clinics, was said to have "targeted federal agents by placing second bombs nearby set to detonate after police arrived to investigate the first explosion".

In 2010, when WikiLeaks published a video of the incident in which an Apache helicopter in Baghdad killed two Reuters journalists, what sparked the greatest outrage was not the initial attack, which the US army claimed was aimed at armed insurgents, but rather the follow-up attack on those who arrived at the scene to rescue the wounded. From the Guardian's initial report on the WikiLeaks video:


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ACLU Sues CIA Over Drone Killings

http://theintelhub.com/2012/09/24/aclu-sues-cia-over-drone-killings/

By Stephen Lendman, Contributor
theintelhub.com
September 24, 2012

Unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) have been around since the Vietnam era. They were used as reconnaissance platforms. In the 1980s, Harpy air defense suppression system radar killer drones were employed. In the Gulf War, unmanned combat air systems (UCAS) and X-45 air vehicles were used.

Others were deployed in Bosnia in 1995 and against Serbia in 1999. America’s new weapon of choice is now commonplace in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, elsewhere abroad, and domestically for law enforcement and surveillance. Escalated domestic and foreign use is planned.

A previous article called drone warfare remote control killing like sport. From distant or nearby command centers, operators wage virtual war.

They dismissively ignore human carnage. It shows up as computer screen blips. They look no different from video game images. The difference, of course, is people die.

They’re mostly noncombatants. Studies show militants are successfully hit about 2% of the time. Others are wrongly targeted or happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

On January 13, 2010, the ACLU petitioned Washington under the Freedom of Information ACT (FOIA). It requested legal justification claimed for conducting predator drone targeted killings abroad.
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Reply US drone strikes target rescuers in Pakistan – and the west stays silent (Original post)
G_j Sep 2012 OP
xchrom Sep 2012 #1
Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #2
Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2012 #3
Incitatus Sep 2012 #6
Bonobo Sep 2012 #16
Shampoobra Sep 2012 #4
phantom power Sep 2012 #5
Octafish Sep 2012 #7
G_j Sep 2012 #23
99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #8
1-Old-Man Sep 2012 #9
KoKo Sep 2012 #15
G_j Sep 2012 #18
KoKo Sep 2012 #10
G_j Sep 2012 #14
malaise Sep 2012 #11
Agony Sep 2012 #12
Agony Sep 2012 #13
H2O Man Sep 2012 #17
G_j Sep 2012 #19
amandabeech Sep 2012 #21
G_j Sep 2012 #22
Bonobo Sep 2012 #20
G_j Sep 2012 #25
KoKo Sep 2012 #24
Solly Mack Sep 2012 #26
G_j Sep 2012 #27
Solly Mack Sep 2012 #28

Response to G_j (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:18 PM

1. du rec. Nt

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:56 PM

2. There's 5 for you.

 

I'm still occasionally startled by our willingness to accept the blatant criminality that is regularly carried out in our name.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 04:19 PM

3. There's been a lot of willful -

 

ignorance lately. I suspect that would be resolved should Mitt become president.

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:38 PM

6. You are right.

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:12 PM

16. At the very least, it would mean at least half the people would suddenly be against drones.

As it stands now, it seems Americans from both parties are proudly in support of this amoral drone policy.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:26 PM

4. I know one of these assholes

(Not a friend ... he's the son of an acquaintance.)

He's the type who could never in a million years pass the psychological tests required to work in law enforcement - a completely self-absorbed, hateful and antisocial bigot who despises minorities, women, non-Christians, gays, and the disabled. (He refers to the latter, even in public, as "retards."

For most of his young life he worked minimum-wage jobs when he wasn't playing with computers and video games. Domino's Pizza was the most prestigious entry on his resume.

The U.S. Army, however, apparently decided that his deep-seated hatred of anyone who's different, coupled with his computer and video game skills, was enough to outweigh his mental problems. They hired him to fly drones, and he's been killing strangers from an air-conditioned room in Afghanistan for about three years now.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:34 PM

5. rec

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:39 PM

7. We need the oil. We don't want to pay fair prices. So...

At essence, the government of my country kills innocent people for oil.



Is Barack Obama Morphing Into Dick Cheney?

Four Ways the President Is Pursuing Cheney’s Geopolitics of Global Energy

By Michael T. Klare
TomDispatch.com
June 21, 2012

EXCERPT...

For Cheney, the geopolitics of oil lay at the core of international relations, largely determining the rise and fall of nations. From this, it followed that any steps, including war and environmental devastation, were justified so long as they enhanced America’s power at the expense of its rivals.

EXCERPT...

That blueprint consists of four key features:

1. Promote domestic oil and gas production at any cost to reduce America’s dependence on unfriendly foreign suppliers, thereby increasing Washington's freedom of action.

2. Keep control over the oil flow from the Persian Gulf (even if the U.S. gets an ever-diminishing share of its own oil supplies from the region) in order to retain an “economic stranglehold” over other major oil importers.

3. Dominate the sea lanes of Asia, so as to control the flow of oil and other raw materials to America’s potential economic rivals, China and Japan.

4. Promote energy “diversification” in Europe, especially through increased reliance on oil and natural gas supplies from the former Soviet republics of the Caspian Sea basin, in order to reduce Europe’s heavy dependence on Russian oil and gas, along with the political influence this brings Moscow.


CONTINUED...

http://www.tomdispatch.com/archive/175560/



America, We the People have a problem. And I won't pledge allegiance to an empire or an oil company or any leader who is part of that problem.

PS: Thanks for being part of the solution, G_j!

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Response to Octafish (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 07:57 AM

23. perfect, eloquent

in it's complete cynical simplicity..

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:11 PM

8. Mr President, please stop acting like a Rethuglican

 

holy crap.

between this, and this http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014243416

if Obama keeps this kind of crap up he'll start LOSING VOTES at an exponential rate
to 3rd party candidates.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:14 PM

9. Don't the Geneva Conventions have something to say about the safety of rescuers?

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Response to 1-Old-Man (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:07 PM

15. I don't believe the Geneva Convention is enforced, anymore....

One of those things from another era....

We believed it still existed...and it may but it's not being enforced. Who would do it?

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Response to KoKo (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 11:24 PM

18. it is still "quaint"

as Bush's lawyer once remarked.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:40 PM

10. It goes on and on...it will hit crisis in Obama's Second Term...

because so much has been put on hold for this election. But, there is a silent growing anger about use of Drones policy and our ongoing support of torture and denial of civil and human rights. It's under the surface now...but, it's going to just blow in 2013 if some rethink of our policies isn't forthcoming.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:57 PM

14. you are right

the 'moving forward' meme will never erase the collective memory of drone strikes or Bush/ Cheney war crimes.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:50 PM

11. It's only covered in the Western Press if Westerners are killed

Everyone else is collateral damage.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:04 PM

12. Collateral Murder - Savagery-R-US

"That's what you get for bringing yer kids to a battle" "That's right!" ... words the gunship crew used when they realized that the rescue vehicle they had just blasted down the road had 2 young children in the front seat...

is that who we are?

that "rules of engagement" allow us to rationalize this behavior?


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Response to Agony (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:12 PM

13. in case you don't know what the OP is referring to

or what I was talking about you should watch this...

http://www.collateralmurder.com

I would recommend the long version, you can learn what "Patoosh" means..

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:31 PM

17. Recommended.

Thank you for this.

I can remember a time when 99% of the DU community would have been actively discussing this OP. Things have changed. So, people like myself are thankful for people like yourself.

Keep up the good work.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #17)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 11:34 PM

19. I do know what you mean

Last edited Tue Sep 25, 2012, 07:49 AM - Edit history (1)

and very much appreciate your participation. It seemed our community was once fairly diligent in addressing issues such as war crimes.. it's a different era..

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #17)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 11:42 PM

21. Perhaps there will be more open discussion of this and other issues after the election.

 

At least that's what I'm hoping.

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Response to amandabeech (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 02:00 AM

22. probably not

There is always another 'election' on the horizon.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 11:38 PM

20. The irony, of course, is that that was Al Queda's signature--attacking twice to get rescuers.

It doesn't get any more sadly ironic than that.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:16 PM

25. the same irony has occured to many

but seemingly not to the admin.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 08:04 AM

24. kick...

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:18 PM

26. ...

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #26)

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:42 PM

27. thank you Solly Mack

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Response to G_j (Reply #27)

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:46 PM

28. I like Clive Stafford Smith.

I appreciate his efforts.

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