General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat red state could Biden win surprisingly?
I would love to see him win several of them.
still_one
(92,394 posts)Texas, OH, S.C., Florida, Alabama and the Dakotas
still_one
(92,394 posts)Botany
(70,581 posts)We need to win landslides nationwide and we all need to vote early and on paper to
take those electronic voting machines and central tabulators out of the equation.
Tennessee, Kentucky ('cept if the state flips on McConnell), West Virginia, Oklahoma,
and Arkansas are gone.
theophilus
(3,750 posts)Botany
(70,581 posts)... make flipping it blue pretty tough.
South Carolina is 35% black and 10 or 11% hispanic (and growing) so that
is the southern state that might flip first.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)ok_cpu
(2,055 posts)aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)America is counting on you!👍
Amishman
(5,559 posts)I just don't see Texas or Georgia swinging yet
Meadowoak
(5,558 posts)not_the_one
(2,227 posts)My hatred for Moscow Mitch is only .0000001% less than for the turd.
The turd has been screwing us for 4 years. The China man, for over 30.
They should be put in adjoining cells. OR hanged, shot, or electrocuted simultaneously.
Wounded Bear
(58,706 posts)My super suprise is Utah. Mormons don't really like him, and Romney can't go anywhere until Trump is out of the way.
Texas would be really nice, and would seal the deal. TX, much like FL is a state Trump can't win without but that Biden can.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)NT
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)and will go back to turnout.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Bernie was leading in the polls in each of those states and was presumed as the heavy favorite.
Biden wrapping up those presumed Bernie states (by large numbers in Minnesota and Massachusetts) is really what sealed the primary. Biden was expected to do well in the Super Tuesday southern states other than Texas.
The conclusion that none of our great political seers at Politico, the Hill, or Axios seem to have glommed on to is that recent history shows much more evidence of secret Biden voters than secret Trump voters.
FakeNoose
(32,748 posts)In too many of the close/red states, this happened: unknown numbers of Repukes voted for Sanders in the primary because they wanted to see Biden "lose" the primary. Well those Bernie voters have no intention of voting for Sanders or Biden in the general election. They were just causing trouble for the Democratic Party.
The same strategy worked so well in 2016, now they do it on a regular basis. In my opinion, they've taken this so far that they've "joined" our Party just to mess up our primaries. States don't keep track of "Dem" voters who cross over and vote "GOP" in the general election. It only makes a difference in the so-called swing states anyway.
Celerity
(43,498 posts)in MN and once Klobuchar dropped out and enforced Biden it was over. Same for Massachusetts, where he was neck in neck towards the end with Warren, and Warren dominated before that, before she started losing in other states. Finally, you are wrong about Texas as well, where Biden had huge leads for ages, the lost it when he started losing states then came back after SC saved him and started the bandwagon effect.
There was no monster Bernie who was slayed by hidden Biden votes. The rest of the party simply settled behind Biden once he showed he could win. Sanders was never remotely a threat to win the nomination.
The superdelegates would never commit electoral suicide by nominating him. His entire campaign was based on false assumptions and delusions. He lost decades ago when he chose to falsely self-label as a democratic socialist when he is simply a bog standard social democrat. Massive difference between the two. Only in reactionary, poorly educated America is there confusion over the terms. The reactionary US will never elect anyone who claims to be a socialist, which for 100 million plus morons equates instantly to commie. Hell maybe 200 million plus.
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)rampartc
(5,435 posts)biden will not be winning texas, la, arkansa, ms, al, tenn, fl, ga, sc, nc, or ky.
so that leaves as possible az, va, nh, .
i'm just hoping that the elections in ca, or, and wa are not compromised by the fires.
Celerity
(43,498 posts)the Rethugs. It is going to be a shitshow. CA is going to accept ballots for up to 17 days after the election, as long as they were postmarked in time.
I also agree with you on the overconfidence. Trump will more than likely have a substantial lead on election night in most states just based of same day voter dominance. He will then claim victory and go to war to try and stop or completely delegitimise all the uncounted mail-in ballots. It is going to be a horrific nightmare and quite likely will turn violent across the nation.
I do not trust any of the Rethug states to not fuck with the vote tallies and ballots either. Same for swing states. So many seem oblivious to the tsunami of shit that is coming from every level and angle.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)and seeing way more Biden signs around than Trump signs. There were NO Clinton signs in my neighborhood in 2016 but we've already got maybe a dozen Biden signs and only a couple of Trump signs. Sure it's anecdotal but it is *something* at least.
Also, Obama only lost MO by about 4,000 votes in 2008 so it's possible with enough voter turnout and people being sick of Trumper.
lastlib
(23,286 posts)Here in eastern Jackson County, one of the bluest counties in the state, the tRump insanity is pretty doggone strong. I expect it's worse deeper into the state where the gun culture is rampant. KKK has a lot of influence in the southern part, and I don't see much sign of that weakening, and the urban blue areas don't seem to have the weight to counterbalance it. I just can't see it happening, but I hope I'm pleasantly surprised.
Norbert
(6,041 posts)Maybe Niki Haley going full trump might push SC toward blue.
Initech
(100,102 posts)Though I would love to see him flip Tennessee and Florida as well!
Midnight Writer
(21,795 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Might go blue.
TheFarseer
(9,326 posts)Maybe 2nd District but I am even doubtful of that. Half the people here think Biden =Stalin. I try to convince them how insane that is to no avail.
imanamerican63
(13,812 posts)Celerity
(43,498 posts)FL is not really a red state per se in my book, iys more purple, but Biden is going to struggle there unless he radically distances himself from Bernie and the farther left. It is not just Cubans at all who hate socialism (even though it is a lie to label any Dem as a socialist, the lies work). FL is full of South Americans from Argentina, Venezuela, Colombia,
Chile, etc who hate the far left too. Joe is getting killed with FL Hispanics versus what Clinton did. She won them by 27 points, Biden is only up 4 points with them v Rump. A large white voter shift to Biden is all that is keeping him in the game there.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Celerity
(43,498 posts)If we win it, it is a pure bonus.
Rice4VP
(1,235 posts)I think he will win Arizona, which wouldnt be a surprise
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)There is no such thing as a monumental general election upset in our direction. The reason is that those states all have 20+% more conservatives than liberals.
The ideological wall prevents the tide from going over the top
I think Indiana will be closer than expected because the conservative to liberal gap is only 16%. Likewise the gap in Kansas is not overwhelming and the educational numbers are good in Kansas. Montana and Alaska could be single digits.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)budkin
(6,714 posts)Beyond that Georgia or Texas.