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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI wont see my grandkids and my son again, because of BASHING of Hillary Clinton
Probably wont, just want to make sure those who did it NEVER get a days rest.
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I thought it was clear, BECAUSE PEOPLE BASHED Hilary, because they bought into the LIES about her, people on the LEFT, we are where we are and like many here we may NEVER see our families again.
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)Please explain.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Not at all sure of the purpose.
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,462 posts)jimfields33
(15,952 posts)Lifes to short.
imaginary girl
(863 posts)I'm guessing you mean you won't see them due to precautions / social distancing for the pandemic?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)that is about to start.
ALL of it is because of bashing Hillary, most of it was on the right but the stuff from the left put it over the top!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Maybe try some Kava tea or something.
The post the other day apparently attacking DUers was over the top, but people were nice to you about it.
We're all under a strain, try to keep calm and carry on.
imaginary girl
(863 posts)... Who were commenting on your post.
I hear you: it has impacted my parents and their relationship with their grandkids (including my kids) too.
Wishing you well! Hopefully there are still enough patriots left to turn this ship around.
raging moderate
(4,308 posts)The COVID virus is having a much greater impact in some areas than in others. I am not sure when I will be able to see my grandchildren again. Perhaps I will never get to hug them again. Eliot Rosewater may live in an area that is severely affected, where people have to stay far away from each other. And I think we can be sure that Hillary Clinton would have done a much better job of controlling the COVID virus.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)oasis
(49,408 posts)something else. Hope you can work it out.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)I should take my time when RAGING at the people who put us here.
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Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)happening in large part because of people allegedly on the left who BASHED Hillary?
I wish I was surprised.
raging moderate
(4,308 posts)But we can draw near to each other in spirit. And over Skype, etc.
anamnua
(1,119 posts)This is my interpretation (about which I will withhold my opinion -- party unity and all that):
The bashing of Hillary by the left meant that some of the mud stuck with blue collar workers many of whom stayed at home or voted for Trump.
This cost her the rust belt states and the election.
2016: President Trump.
2020: the Covid-19 pandemic.
Trump has shown appalling incompetence in relation to the pandemic which is now raging throughout the US -- something that would not have happened under a competent Hillary presidency.
The subsequent social distancing demands means that the OPer is now cut off from their family.
Please feel free to demur if I'm wrong, Eliot!
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)And I am surprised there are not more LIBERALS and DEMOCRATS mad as hell about the same thing.
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CentralMass
(15,265 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(11,634 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)All those whiny tools for whom perfect will always be the enemy of good. All this shit is directly on them.
Directly.
And fuck all those assholes who try to defend the JPR crowd. Theres always one of them, and they can get fucked.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)is about to happen to all of us, did NOT have to happen.
Easy to tell who they are, NEVER will they agree with me but will ONLY attack me and why am I angry and so on...yep
Sure some sincere folks say "anger wont solve anything" and while they are sincere and partially true, that isnt the point.
But the SAME group of folks are GUARANTEED to NEVER show they acknowledge this happened...NEVER
So fucking irritating, and they will NEVER admit their part and apologize. NEVER
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)She's a Bernie bro though.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)yup
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)betsuni
(25,618 posts)by themselves. Targeting the left with expert propaganda was genius. Russia really knows what it's doing.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)that was legitimate
all that others stuff was sheer nonsense and lies - it sickened me how many people who should have known better fell for that garbage
betsuni
(25,618 posts)Most of the same people worried about President Obama starting WWIII and droning everybody to death, but they got hysterical about Hillary.
Hillary the Methodist. You take two mild-manned, cautious, serious, hard-working bleeding-heart liberals and turn them into bloodthirsty war monsters. And people believed it! Amazing.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)but voting for a war based on lies (which she surely knew to be true) was just plain sickening
JI7
(89,264 posts)by many of the same attacks.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)The govt agencies are quick to say that the elections offices were hacked into, but it is not believed any vote totals were changed. Did anyone check? Anyone audit the vote? No. Our government has serious problems with counting...anything. I feel ya...just got to keep on keeping on.
crimycarny
(1,351 posts)Never have the exit polls been SO far off from the actual results. Also, the margin was juuust over the automatic recount threshold.
No way to prove it but I will go to my grave believing the Russians didnt merely interfere by social media propaganda, I think it entirely plausible that votes were flipped.
Remember when Karl Rove went crazy on FOX when they called Ohio for Obama? Anonymous claimed to have uncovered a plan by the GOP to switch votes by redirecting traffic through some of their servers. Anonymous stopped it by putting in a firewall.
If Rove can do that (assuming its true), whats to stop the more sophisticated Russians ?
betsuni
(25,618 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)the Secretary of State left before the counting was done, and he was pissed. Karl Rove did Ohio with George Bush too...well him and Blackwell. What really gets me is the statistics based on past elections. The faulty results are etched in stone, to suggest otherwise is a 'conspiracy theory'.
crimycarny
(1,351 posts)as long as you keep the margins low.
I dont believe in conspiracy theories either but there is a lot of data to back up at least a suspicion that Karl Rove stole the 2004 election via Ohio and tried to do the same in 2012. 2004 Ohio servers crash at 11:14 pm and voting tabulation temporarily routed through SmartTECH, a company with many ties to the Bush campaign. Ohio tabulation servers come back up, all of a sudden Bush starts pulling ahead, a swing of more than 6% once all votes tabulated after the crash. Richard Hayes Phillips did a forensic analysis on the 2004 Ohio voting results and wrote a book about it Witness to a Crime. From the book:
Phillips found zero irregularities in vote totals from all the counties that reported results before the servers crashed at 11:14pm. But of the fourteen counties that came in after the crash connected Ohios election computers to SmartTECHs computers in Chattanooga, every single one of them showed voter irregularities that all favored George W. Bush.
Fast forward to 2012:
1)Anonymous released a video before the election as a warning to Rove that they had uncovered a backdoor system put in place to do the same thing as 2004.
2) Obama leading Romney, Ohio servers crash again at 11:13 pm (just one minute earlier than 2004)
3) Servers come back up but Obama still ahead
4) Rove has his bizarre breakdown on FOX when they call it for Obama. Rove seems to be saying just wait, it will change
5) Obama wins and Anonymous post another video to Karl Rove telling him they had detected his attempt to switch votes on election night and put in their firewall. They even claim to know the exact number of times Karl Roves IT team tried to unsuccessfully log in to firewall...105 login tries.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)Got to bookmark that sucker. Thanks!
betsuni
(25,618 posts)crimycarny
(1,351 posts)A GOP IT guy who was supposed to testify in an investigation into 2004 election fraud died when a plane he was flying crashed. FBI had warned him not to fly. Here is an article on how Rove allegedly changed the votes using a Kingpin (man in the middle) attack:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republican-it-guru-dies-in-plane-crash/
In same article they mention many voting irregularities including GW Bush winning 4,258 votes in a precinct where only 638 voters cast ballots.
Here is an article that documents some of the irregularities in both 2004 and 2012:
https://truthout.org/articles/anonymous-karl-rove-and-2012-election-fix/
Why no real investigation? So, again, if Karl Rove can get away with something so blatant, it is not at all beyond the realm of possibility that Russia flipped votes in swing states by hacking.
I think that is why Trump is so freaked out by mail-in/absentee voting. Can you say paper trail?
radius777
(3,635 posts)OH and FL which is key for them winning the presidency.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)Klaralven
(7,510 posts)We've seen my son and his family occasionally over the spring and summer. Drove 300 miles to see the daughters and their families once the "curve" flattened in our states.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)I am talking about family that is not here that we cannot travel to or expose ourselves to. One person especially
tavernier
(12,401 posts)If not, do you need assistance connecting with family here in the states? Is there anything we might be able to help you with?