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NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 01:40 AM Oct 2020

Not smart politics to hand a flailing president a major legislative achievement 30 days before E-day

We agreee with that right? The Dow is in a 2-day orgasm already over the news. Also, why negotiate while an illegitimate president is trying to stack the Supreme Court with rabid partisans?

Make that 2 if ACB sneaks through.

Also unemployment is set to drop below 8% on Friday and the Dow is near record highs so no need for stimulus right now anyway.

Flame away!

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Not smart politics to hand a flailing president a major legislative achievement 30 days before E-day (Original Post) NewsCenter28 Oct 2020 OP
Its not Sgent Oct 2020 #1
The dems have been fighting for a stimulus bill. Now they should flip a 180 bullimiami Oct 2020 #2
The people that cannot get jobs and are desperate may disagree with you, or we can give them the LizBeth Oct 2020 #3
yeah. tell 'em tough taters! stopdiggin Oct 2020 #8
+1. People have to get past the idea thinking the dow has anything to do with the economy. LizBeth Oct 2020 #21
If dems jump on it and claim the win in the media it will make no difference nt msongs Oct 2020 #4
I agree, the GOP is desperate. The Democratic Party needs to "slow walk" this bill UCmeNdc Oct 2020 #5
You're the only one who I've heard mention it BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #6
it's not that we don't understand your argument stopdiggin Oct 2020 #7
It's just that Speaker Pelosi was under zero public pressure to have a summit with Mnuchin NewsCenter28 Oct 2020 #9
What a bunch of insulting and condescending bullshit. MrsCoffee Oct 2020 #15
Pelosi talks about it once a week or every two. Pelosi has not let go of this at all. LizBeth Oct 2020 #19
+1000 Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #10
Imagine that...passing a bill because...it's the right thing to do greenjar_01 Oct 2020 #16
getting your senate majority to vote for just who they like to vote for is not a major achievement muriel_volestrangler Oct 2020 #11
Right, why have we decided the dow is the indicator to our economy? It is not. LizBeth Oct 2020 #18
It's too late for Republicans to get a bump Buckeyeblue Oct 2020 #12
I Will Defer To Speaker Pelosi. Sir, Regarding Whether Something Is Good Politics Or Not The Magistrate Oct 2020 #13
republicans control the body bigtree Oct 2020 #14
Agree, Trump and McConnell will just use it to make themselves look radius777 Oct 2020 #17
Why would Republican or Trump sign off on anything for the people after they get their ass kicked? LizBeth Oct 2020 #20

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
1. Its not
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 01:58 AM
Oct 2020

but if its a good bill its BADLY needed right now, and our leverage will be nothing after Nov 2 until Jan 20.

bullimiami

(13,207 posts)
2. The dems have been fighting for a stimulus bill. Now they should flip a 180
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 01:59 AM
Oct 2020

Because trump might try to jump in front of the parade and pretend he’s heading it?

The only people that would credit trump already carry flags with him as Superman.

LizBeth

(9,966 posts)
3. The people that cannot get jobs and are desperate may disagree with you, or we can give them the
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 02:27 AM
Oct 2020

finger for politics. I am sure that will get a lot of high fives.

stopdiggin

(11,616 posts)
8. yeah. tell 'em tough taters!
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 03:08 AM
Oct 2020

stop their damn sniveling! That rent can wait for another couple of months!
"the Dow is at a high ..."
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UCmeNdc

(9,603 posts)
5. I agree, the GOP is desperate. The Democratic Party needs to "slow walk" this bill
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 02:48 AM
Oct 2020

The GOP will claim credit and get elected on this.

Tell the Democratic leadership to wait until after the election.

Be smart, work on it but do not pass anything.

BannonsLiver

(16,686 posts)
6. You're the only one who I've heard mention it
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 02:51 AM
Oct 2020

I consumed a lot of news today. Not one mention of any of that.

What I did hear a lot about though is Trump refusing to condemn white supremacists, his unhinged debate performance, and his bad poll numbers.

I also heard a bit about the extremely high profile layoffs at companies like Disney and American Airlines, which are bound to get quite a bit of attention in the coming days. That won’t be good for Trump.

Not here to flame but I don’t think whatever ends up happening with this legislation, if anything at all, moveS the needle for Donnie. He’s awash with problems. No one thing is going to fix them.

stopdiggin

(11,616 posts)
7. it's not that we don't understand your argument
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 03:02 AM
Oct 2020

or the rationale behind it. It's just that we understand it -- and think it's BS.

"Also unemployment is set to drop below 8% on Friday and the Dow is near record highs so no need for stimulus right now anyway."
The statement above demonstrates such a deep and glaring disconnect -- with anything going on in the real world ...

Donald Trump is sinking like a bloody rock, deeper and faster every day -- and yet we're suppose to give the disadvantaged and the working poor a sucker punch to the gut -- just to drive the point home further. I'm not only not ON BOARD with that -- but I have to tell you I'm awfully glad that my vote isn't going toward supporting anyone that thinks like that.
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NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
9. It's just that Speaker Pelosi was under zero public pressure to have a summit with Mnuchin
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 03:40 AM
Oct 2020

Exactly. No one was talking about it so why Speaker Pelosi decided to have a summit out of nowhere with Mnuchin 33 days before E-day is puzzling. If she's trying to save vulnerable members in Republican districts, that's ill-advised. Her top priority morally should be getting the former Vice President elected. If she wants to do good morally, surely she knows that less people will be hurt and more will get ahead under a Biden presidency rather than having 2 extra house members to pass bills that McConnell and a re-elected Toad won't even consider anyways. Also those 2 extra members won't stop SCOTUS nominations to the right of Atilla the Hun either.

Anyways, hopefully y'all are right and this doesn't move the needle at all.

LizBeth

(9,966 posts)
19. Pelosi talks about it once a week or every two. Pelosi has not let go of this at all.
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 11:45 AM
Oct 2020

The only breaks in it has been when they take their breaks. She actually feels a responsibility to take care of the people.

I read last night I think American Airlines laying off 33000. They said they had expected another stimulus and if it can be done in the next couple days they will not drop 19000. This is people lives.

Hospitals need the money and the medical field need other stuff promised from a stimulus. The states need help. Covid is spiking again in a lot of areas and hospitals are starting to have a tough time.

And a lot of things happening I do not know.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
10. +1000
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:03 AM
Oct 2020

Folks need help and needed it long ago. Waiting any longer than necessary is a terrible idea.

I believe that the GOP was always waiting until October to buy votes with a second stimulus package and political points aside people need help.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
16. Imagine that...passing a bill because...it's the right thing to do
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 09:14 AM
Oct 2020

The OP is telling on himself in more than one way.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,596 posts)
11. getting your senate majority to vote for just who they like to vote for is not a major achievement
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:13 AM
Oct 2020

and it's not legislative, either.

Just because Trump thinks the Dow is a good measure, that doesn't mean it is. So ignore whether it's at a high.

A lot of the economy is still struggling. Many people are still struggling. A stimulus is still needed, and you can't just give that up because someone like Mnuchin has recognized that too. Politics is not just "do everything to hurt your opponent".

Buckeyeblue

(5,520 posts)
12. It's too late for Republicans to get a bump
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:35 AM
Oct 2020

Even if a bill did have stimulus money, there would be no way to get that out, at this point, before 11/3.

The Magistrate

(95,383 posts)
13. I Will Defer To Speaker Pelosi. Sir, Regarding Whether Something Is Good Politics Or Not
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 09:00 AM
Oct 2020


"Good policy is good politics."




bigtree

(86,314 posts)
14. republicans control the body
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 09:05 AM
Oct 2020

...it was always on the republican Senate leadership to produce a bill that would reconcile easily with the House bill.

This is republicans coming back to a table that Nancy Pelosi, Speaker Pelosi set. This time they're either bringing gifts, or stepping off.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
17. Agree, Trump and McConnell will just use it to make themselves look
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 09:27 AM
Oct 2020

like 'compassionate conservatives', ie 'Trump's really not that bad of a guy after all'. Swing voters who don't understand politics that much will just see it as a Trump win. It undercuts Biden's critique of Trump as an unfeeling rich guy whose selfishness and mismanagement led to 200k deaths.

Trump still has good ratings on the economy despite all that has happened, and I suspect the Cares Act may have something to do with it. IOW, what was an FDR/left-wing type of bill that people should be thanking Dems for - they don't necessarily do that.

We need to wait until after the election to pass anything and simply make it retroactive. Doing anything now could upset the dynamics which doesn't make sense when we're solidly ahead.

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