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JI7

(89,249 posts)
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 04:55 AM Oct 2020

Author of "Liberal Case for Donald Trump" Blames Economic Circumstances for Michigan Terrorist




In 2016 he wrote the below :

A liberal case for Donald Trump: The lesser of two evils is not at all clear in 2016
Is there one? A Trump presidency needn't be a nightmare for the left. On many issues, Clinton presidency might be

https://www.salon.com/2016/04/29/a_liberal_case_for_donald_trump_the_lesser_of_two_evils_is_not_at_all_clear_in_2016/
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Author of "Liberal Case for Donald Trump" Blames Economic Circumstances for Michigan Terrorist (Original Post) JI7 Oct 2020 OP
Could be a combination of economic circumstances and safeinOhio Oct 2020 #1
If it was economic circumstances than there would be more violent women than men JI7 Oct 2020 #2
Just had to google "roid rage and women". safeinOhio Oct 2020 #4
+10000000000000000 betsuni Oct 2020 #7
+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #15
This! NoRoadUntravelled Oct 2020 #29
Meth and/or OxyContin abuse... Hugin Oct 2020 #3
What you said! They want stuff open to open up their supply chains. nt Boogiemack Oct 2020 #11
Those pictures just show me that some racist lazy asshole lives there. njhoneybadger Oct 2020 #5
+1 betsuni Oct 2020 #10
I'm mad I didn't bookmark it... There was a tweed that had the real estate listing photos Nevilledog Oct 2020 #23
Yes, and braindead Stupid. Cha Oct 2020 #32
They always have enough money for guns and ammo Walleye Oct 2020 #6
and newish trucks and dumpster rentals. whistler162 Oct 2020 #8
Don't Forget Bombs ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #9
IMO Economic circumstances definitely have something to do with it. raccoon Oct 2020 #12
Most of these folks live off government dole and they are the real welfare cheats. Boogiemack Oct 2020 #13
Or maybe being really stupid Trumpocalypse Oct 2020 #14
I know when I'm feeling pinched economically I usually fly the confederate flag BlueNProud Oct 2020 #16
*snerk* Good one. nt crickets Oct 2020 #30
I can't believe anything by Bragman is posted SharonClark Oct 2020 #17
Obviously he's no friend of ours. That's the point. betsuni Oct 2020 #18
But people did regularly post these types to attack Hillary and other Democrats JI7 Oct 2020 #21
If you drive around rural Michigan you'll see a lot of this Buckeyeblue Oct 2020 #19
Inequality on the right. moondust Oct 2020 #20
OMG. Where to start. GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #22
That's actually true of Islamic terrorists like ISIS JI7 Oct 2020 #24
Very correct. But most of the ones I've know did not start out bad. GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #28
OMG Skittles Oct 2020 #25
Challenge accepted, Walker gratuitous Oct 2020 #26
If there were any truth to this ... Renaissance Man Oct 2020 #27
When African Americans live in poverty... Yavin4 Oct 2020 #31
First of all Walter Bragman is a bitter fucking Idiot. Cha Oct 2020 #33

safeinOhio

(32,682 posts)
4. Just had to google "roid rage and women".
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 05:16 AM
Oct 2020

I don't think this Joe is any kind of expert, but looks like there is some interest in the topic...

a woman might notice these same effects of her testosterone levels are elevated. Testosterone can cause feelings of increased aggression whether you’re a man or a woman.
https://www.quora.com/Do-women-who-use-steroids-suffer-from-roid-rage

Hugin

(33,144 posts)
3. Meth and/or OxyContin abuse...
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 05:12 AM
Oct 2020

There was a study which showed a very strong correlation between US counties which went strongly for Trump in 2016 and these specific drugs.

Nevilledog

(51,104 posts)
23. I'm mad I didn't bookmark it... There was a tweed that had the real estate listing photos
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 08:35 PM
Oct 2020

Think it was from a year or so go. It was a nice house.

ProfessorGAC

(65,042 posts)
9. Don't Forget Bombs
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 06:15 AM
Oct 2020

One of the meetings in eastern Michigan referenced by the FBI was to pool funds for buying stuff to make bombs.
Bombs!
They have that shack, but figured out how to get money for bombs!
The tweeter is an idiot.

raccoon

(31,111 posts)
12. IMO Economic circumstances definitely have something to do with it.
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 06:33 AM
Oct 2020

Especially if the person was used to a better lifestyle than the one they have now. But the Dotard has definitely encouraged and emboldened these people

 

Boogiemack

(1,406 posts)
13. Most of these folks live off government dole and they are the real welfare cheats.
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 06:35 AM
Oct 2020

If economic conditions radicalized people, blacks would have overthrown the government long time ago.

I hope all those arrested have had their government payments cut off.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
17. I can't believe anything by Bragman is posted
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 07:28 AM
Oct 2020

on DU. He’s an acolyte of HA Goodman who appeared to be pro-Bernie in 2016 and then pushed for trump over Hillary.

Bragman is no friend of ours.

betsuni

(25,528 posts)
18. Obviously he's no friend of ours. That's the point.
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 07:34 AM
Oct 2020

From the OP: "A Trump presidency needn't be a nightmare for the left. On may issues, Clinton presidency might be."

Posting something doesn't mean you agree with it. People pretending to be on the left but aren't must be exposed.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
21. But people did regularly post these types to attack Hillary and other Democrats
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 08:11 PM
Oct 2020

I'm posting to show what these types are about and how they sympathize with right wing bigots.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
19. If you drive around rural Michigan you'll see a lot of this
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 08:02 AM
Oct 2020

Dilapidated houses with junk in the yard. A pro-slavery flag proudly on display.

These people are part of the population of deplorables that Hillary talked about.

moondust

(19,981 posts)
20. Inequality on the right.
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 08:19 AM
Oct 2020

"I ain't becomin' no billionaire like Bezos and somethin's gotta change. I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me!"

No doubt inequality had a lot to do with them picking the "outsider" in 2016, particularly in rural areas where many small towns have spent several decades boarding up Main Street. Corporate farming and corporate shopping (Walmart) have killed off many small farms and small businesses that couldn't compete with economies of scale.

In 2016 there were 17 Republican primary candidates and Republican voters ended up choosing the (dangerously unfit) "outsider" because they decided "more of the same" Washington politicians was no longer an option. They apparently figured that's how they got the shaft and it was time to "drain the swamp." Trump was their Hail Mary. No doubt that explains a lot of why Republican politicians have lost their spines and toadied up to the guy who beat 16 of them and ended up in the White House: political survival.

I remember in 2016 comparing a vote for Trump to not liking a bumpy plane ride and jumping out hoping to land on a haystack. Unfortunately they took everybody with them. And the rough landing without any haystack will end up costing many thousands of lives.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
22. OMG. Where to start.
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 08:31 PM
Oct 2020

First, I thought we were done with all this new-Marxist sophism that frames everything thru economic lens.

Second, I grew up around white trash like these terrorist.

Often their siblings and parents are more successful. But their anti social attitude, laziness and substance abuse is a direct cause of their economic plight. Rather than doing the things needed to advance themselves they become wrapped in self pity and hatred. Always looking to blame others for their worthless existence. Then someone on the internet reinforces that grievance by telling who is to blame. And they spend more time obsessing about their enemies than they ever did bettering themselves.

I’m not a Christian. I have no obligation to love all my fellow man. Men like these are worthless. I’ve known plenty of them.



JI7

(89,249 posts)
24. That's actually true of Islamic terrorists like ISIS
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 08:48 PM
Oct 2020

and others who have attacked people in Europe, US, and other places.

If you look at their background you learn most of them were just losers . They didn't do well in school, at work and social rejects.

And in both cases they find similar types on the internet who reinforce their sense of victimhood.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
28. Very correct. But most of the ones I've know did not start out bad.
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 09:01 PM
Oct 2020

Somewhere in their late teens they lost the plot.

Every since African Americans started eclipsing some of the low income white folks they have been full of hate. They were always taught that no matter how poor they were higher on the social scale than black folks. President Obama wrecked that forever. They have been in a rage every since. At least here in the south.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
25. OMG
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 08:50 PM
Oct 2020

can you even IMAGINE him excusing the criminal behavior of POC who live in poverty????

W.T.F.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
26. Challenge accepted, Walker
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 08:57 PM
Oct 2020

Which of the two major parties is looking to put more money into the pockets of working people, and which one keeps shoveling the Treasury into the overstuffed pockets of large corporations and the wealthy? So, when you talk about "economic circumstances," why are you looking solely at the end result instead of the entire process?

Renaissance Man

(669 posts)
27. If there were any truth to this ...
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 08:57 PM
Oct 2020

... then African-American and Hispanic voters would be flocking to Trump.

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