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My Pet Orangutan

(9,249 posts)
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 03:15 PM Oct 2020

Schmidt: "None of us will ever work in Republican politics again"

Steve Schmidt on the Lincoln Project

"None of us will ever work in Republican politics again," Schmidt tells Stahl. "We joke that-- like some of the explorers who came to the new world, they were incentivized by the captain when he burned the ships…"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republican-strategists-the-lincoln-project-donald-trump-60-minutes-2020-10-09/

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Schmidt: "None of us will ever work in Republican politics again" (Original Post) My Pet Orangutan Oct 2020 OP
That's good news oswaldactedalone Oct 2020 #1
Yes they do. The GOP will be ruined forever losing this kind of talent. redstatebluegirl Oct 2020 #3
The tRump Greed Over People party will become a Rump party, like the crazy uncle in the attic. . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2020 #21
So what do they plan on doing? Start a new party? Marius25 Oct 2020 #2
Just speculating, but it looks to me like they're ready oswaldactedalone Oct 2020 #5
They say their plan in 2022 is to take out more Trumpers My Pet Orangutan Oct 2020 #6
Good! We have senators up for defeat 2022 and 2024. RobertDevereaux Oct 2020 #18
They've said they want all the enablers gone peggysue2 Oct 2020 #61
Probably plan on steering the Democratic party their way HAB911 Oct 2020 #9
Precisely Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #10
It can be a two way street. LiberalFighter Oct 2020 #11
These guys dislike Trump and Trump enablers. Statistical Oct 2020 #15
The Republican Party was nothing like Trump has made it lunatica Oct 2020 #24
Alas, a lot has happened since Eisenhower and Roosevelt. OneBro Oct 2020 #32
It really started with Newt's hatred of Clinton and continued along with Turd Blossom Hestia Oct 2020 #36
It started when Goldwater's opposition to the Civil Rights Act misanthrope Oct 2020 #53
The main thing is for this to be Over. Cha Oct 2020 #31
They won't be our enemies either. Just rivals. lostnfound Oct 2020 #60
I had thought they might use this create a Lincoln Party, once the GOP was mortally wounded, but OnDoutside Oct 2020 #34
Thst is good to hear. CentralMass Oct 2020 #4
At first, I thought this would be a 1-off and would be back with the GOP TheRealNorth Oct 2020 #7
I don't expect them to stay forever Renew Deal Oct 2020 #8
I welcome them vercetti2021 Oct 2020 #12
Bring your talent to the cause of helping elect more democratic politicians across the land! UCmeNdc Oct 2020 #13
Their messaging is rather wicked. MontanaFarmer Oct 2020 #14
The GOP wouldn't take them back D_Master81 Oct 2020 #16
Maybe he'll write a book moondust Oct 2020 #17
What are they going to do about the K Street lobbyists who thrive on fomenting arguments? Or erronis Oct 2020 #19
I'll definitely be watching "60 Minutes" on Sunday! nt ailsagirl Oct 2020 #20
They won't Rebl2 Oct 2020 #22
I think we need both liberals and conservatives, as well as middle of the roaders. PatrickforO Oct 2020 #25
Your Rebl2 Oct 2020 #26
Yup. Gingrich really brought on the nastiness. Lucky Luciano Oct 2020 #35
You know, we could even lay some of the blame on PatrickforO Oct 2020 #39
Yes that Atwater Rebl2 Oct 2020 #50
In 1971, before accepting Nixon's nomination to the Supreme Court, PatrickforO Oct 2020 #58
In my ideal world Turin_C3PO Oct 2020 #42
I agree TexasBushwhacker Oct 2020 #54
That's really funny. But as to burning the ships, Cortez did that. PatrickforO Oct 2020 #23
With all due respect, we sure don't want them. TygrBright Oct 2020 #27
Well said. n/t PatrickforO Oct 2020 #40
I want them in my party. JI7 Oct 2020 #44
Thats bullshit. They're working for the Republican Party right now. aidbo Oct 2020 #28
No, that's not true. TLP mission statement is to end Trump's reign, and Trumpism within the GOP. OnDoutside Oct 2020 #37
Unlike you, I do not believe people who's careers.. aidbo Oct 2020 #38
Sure you will. You may have to keep a lower profile for a while, but... JHB Oct 2020 #29
He shouldn't waste his mind on Republican politics bucolic_frolic Oct 2020 #30
Cross Your Heart and Promise? No Crosses Count Hestia Oct 2020 #33
If they become the minority party in Congress and lose the presidency, the Repuke party is OVER. roamer65 Oct 2020 #41
I suspect this means that they Bettie Oct 2020 #43
How are you further left ? JI7 Oct 2020 #46
Than Steve Schmidt? Bettie Oct 2020 #47
But how are you further left that you think you will be pushed out ? JI7 Oct 2020 #48
I would like the party to continue to move Bettie Oct 2020 #49
Those are just generalities. Nothing specific JI7 Oct 2020 #51
If you trust Schmidt and his buddies Bettie Oct 2020 #56
These are just slogans and one liners. Nothing about policy JI7 Oct 2020 #57
I feel like TLP gets the ugliness of bigotry more than those who make excuses JI7 Oct 2020 #45
Well of course not. Which future GOP hopeful can ever... Xolodno Oct 2020 #52
Can anyone explain why some people think Never Trump Republicans like TLP betsuni Oct 2020 #55
Just started reading Rick Wilson's "Running against the Devil," & he's right about that Hekate Oct 2020 #59
But they all will be able to sleep at night. IllinoisBirdWatcher Oct 2020 #62

My Pet Orangutan

(9,249 posts)
6. They say their plan in 2022 is to take out more Trumpers
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 03:22 PM
Oct 2020

Starting with GOP Senators, and the Governor of Florida.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
61. They've said they want all the enablers gone
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 05:04 AM
Oct 2020

That means campaigning against all the GOP pols who kissed Trump's ring for expediency or through their own radical beliefs. That's not going to happen in a single cycle. Top to bottom they want the current crop of Republicans out of office, forever. National, state, county, everywhere.

Can't argue with that!

However, that doesn't mean they're turning into Dems. They want a new Conservative party. Cleaning house is merely the first step.

HAB911

(8,892 posts)
9. Probably plan on steering the Democratic party their way
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 03:26 PM
Oct 2020

when this is over, they will not be our friends

LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
11. It can be a two way street.
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 03:32 PM
Oct 2020

There is a lot of common ground. And that common ground keeps shifting left.

It is a matter of electing top notch candidates that have the right beliefs and know how to communicate.

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
15. These guys dislike Trump and Trump enablers.
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 03:54 PM
Oct 2020

They have zero issues with gutting ACA, privatizing social security, tax cuts for billionaires etc.

Enemy of my enemy and all that but if they were part of the Democratic party the Democratic party would be talking about shit like private savings accounts to replace social security.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
24. The Republican Party was nothing like Trump has made it
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 05:33 PM
Oct 2020

Trump has destroyed it. Both parties used to actually work together, across the aisle. Republican Presidents used to represent all Americans. Think Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
36. It really started with Newt's hatred of Clinton and continued along with Turd Blossom
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 06:18 PM
Oct 2020

and his quest for blood. That has led the Party of Putin to where it is today helped along by this group of strategists.

I never thought about it, LP knowing how to gut check Republicans because they speak their language. Makes their videos even more devastating.

I do hope they "behave" themselves after the election. They do look to be of the age that they have mellowed and have had some Dark Nights of the Soul. But still...time will tell

misanthrope

(7,417 posts)
53. It started when Goldwater's opposition to the Civil Rights Act
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 09:15 PM
Oct 2020

and his subsequent sweep of the previously "solid South" in 1964 sparked ideas for Nixon's Southern Strategy. It was all downhill from there.

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
60. They won't be our enemies either. Just rivals.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 04:49 AM
Oct 2020

And it would be super helpful if they concentrate on republican primaries.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
34. I had thought they might use this create a Lincoln Party, once the GOP was mortally wounded, but
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 06:14 PM
Oct 2020

they may go down the broadcasting route. People make the mistake in thinking that they can all go back to the GOP after this, and they'll all play happy families again, but they are delusional. There's about 30% of Republican support will only answer to Trump, and they aren't going to have anything to do with a Mitt Romney or someone like that. Instead it there will be a civil war for control of the party by the likes of Pompeo/Haley/Hawley and scum like that. There will be no place for mainstream Repugs in next years GOP.

TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)
7. At first, I thought this would be a 1-off and would be back with the GOP
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 03:22 PM
Oct 2020

once the GOP regained their sanity. But now I am not so sure because such a large portion of the GOP base is insane.

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
8. I don't expect them to stay forever
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 03:24 PM
Oct 2020

Their plan is to run out the Trump supporters. What happens if that happens or if someone shows up with a boatload of money?

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
12. I welcome them
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 03:34 PM
Oct 2020

Because let's be honest. The GOP is the party of Trump now. It'll never return to its former glory of Abe, Teddy, or Ike.

MontanaFarmer

(630 posts)
14. Their messaging is rather wicked.
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 03:50 PM
Oct 2020

I'm enjoying being on the same side as them this time, because they've been hard to run against for the past 20 years.

D_Master81

(1,822 posts)
16. The GOP wouldn't take them back
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 04:01 PM
Oct 2020

As it is now if you defy Trump, you are excommunicated from the party. I know someone who’s a low level county officer in the GOP who posted on Facebook he couldn’t support trump anymore. The vitriol he said he got was astonishing. Someone even DM’d him saying he’d work to make sure he was never elected again.

So they aren’t going back mostly cause why would they be welcomed back when they’re running ads against not only trump but senators as well.

moondust

(19,981 posts)
17. Maybe he'll write a book
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 04:21 PM
Oct 2020

tracing his understanding of how the "party of Lincoln" flew off the rails and eventually became the racist "cult of Trump."

erronis

(15,257 posts)
19. What are they going to do about the K Street lobbyists who thrive on fomenting arguments? Or
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 04:52 PM
Oct 2020

the evangelicals who tithe into the pundits/lobbyists pockets?

What are they going to do about the lust for power, sex, money?

Yeah, most of these new/old ex-rumpers want to get out of that association.

How about the 30-something college young repuglicons who have been spawned to be vile hate-filled bladders of vitriol against anything that resembles one-person, one-vote?

There's always new snakes wanting to take the stage. And rove/gingrich are still feeding them.

Rebl2

(13,507 posts)
22. They won't
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 05:22 PM
Oct 2020

work for this trump Republican Party. I do believe they will create a new type Republican Party, and call it something else.

PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
25. I think we need both liberals and conservatives, as well as middle of the roaders.
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 05:34 PM
Oct 2020

Our founders knew that one person, one ideology, can take a country in the wrong direction quite fast. Which is why they created the system of checks and balances. They felt that if we engage in vigorous debate, and then move forward with a compromise that we can all live with, we will generally be OK.

As progressive as I am, I've been around nearly 62 years, active in my local community, and I have seen that most real progress happens within the middle two thirds of the Bell Curve.

If you consider Schmidt, and some of the other old-school Republican types, they put country first. If everyone is doing that, is committed to debate, and to moving forward, we will be fine.

It is when these current jokers started putting party over country that we got into trouble.


Rebl2

(13,507 posts)
26. Your
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 05:48 PM
Oct 2020

last sentence says it all! I believe it started with Newt Gingrich actually, and many of the tea party folks.

PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
39. You know, we could even lay some of the blame on
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 07:25 PM
Oct 2020

the 1971 Powell Manifesto, Reagan allowing the Fairness Doctrine to die by pocket veto in 1987. Even before that, we could look at the Sith Lord Lee Atwater and his apprentice Darth Rove. Of course the Newtster. There have been a bunch of them, and at this point, they seem little more than greedy traitors.

PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
58. In 1971, before accepting Nixon's nomination to the Supreme Court,
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 11:40 PM
Oct 2020

Lewis Powell was a Virginia lawyer.

He was horrified at the direction the country had been going - the antiwar demonstrations, civil rights, women's rights - it seemed to his conservative mind that the United States was moving too far toward being a 'welfare state,' and that neither party really represented the interests of business well.

So, he penned a memorandum to the US Chamber of Commerce that laid out an entire plan for changing the dialog through talk radio, through a venue such as Fox News, and through attacks on liberalism in K-12, colleges and universities.

If you read the memo (manifesto), you can see that Powell was either prescient, or as I believe, laid out a whole decades long plan for what in effect was a slow corporate coup. https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/democracy/the-lewis-powell-memo-a-corporate-blueprint-to-dominate-democracy/

The link above is what Green Peace has to say about it. The first one below is from Bill Moyers, and the second is Wiki.

https://billmoyers.com/content/the-powell-memo-a-call-to-arms-for-corporations/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_F._Powell_Jr.

So, you see, the whole swamp of corporate corruption that led to Citizens United, and the power of the NRA and other lobbies like the health insurance one. Profit over people. That is the key.

Then, also in the 1970s, the Chicago School of Economics came out with the neoliberal concept of what we call 'trickle down' economics, along with the mantra of privatization, deregulation, free trade, and gutting social programs. Guys like Grover Norquist arose as Mouths of Sauron to glibly explain the horror of this so called 'invisible hand of the market' laissez-faire capitalism in terms that sound good at first blush, but upon further thought not so much.

You'll recall that Grover is the guy who said we need to shrink government to the point where we can 'drown it in a bathtub,' and issued forth the myth that we were better off with tax cuts because we then had brass in pocket as opposed to services we needed. Remember when Bush went around the country in 2004 trying to sell the idea of privatizing Social Security. Wall Street is hungry for the Social Security Trust Fund. Still is. Look at the attacks on Social Security over the last decades.

Oh, but we're being attacked 24/7/365 on a thousand different fronts. The whole knee-jerk horror of 'sosh-a-lizm' that these lizards solemnly intone against, and these ignorant, bearded, drooling militias like those assholes in Michigan who were going to kidnap the governor of that state because they were inflamed by Trump's rhetoric.

But Trump is only the symptom of this neoliberal/neoconservative corporate capitalist imperialism. He is the proverbial 'dumb president that will merely sign laws sent to him by a Republican Congress. Hence, of course, the gerrymanders and the voter suppression. Republicans cannot defend their policies intellectually, morally or economically.

Well, enough of that. If you're interested in learning more, try a search for Howard Zinn. Read his 'People's History of the United States.' Then wade into some Noam Chomsky. I first heard of him in undergraduate school, because he is an internationally renowned linguistics professor. However, he also wrote some truth to power, and it is good. You could try 'Profit Over People,' 'Requiem for the American Dream,' and 'Hegemony or Survival.' His latest in 2016 was 'Who Rules the World?'

See, read those, my friend, and you'll still be progressive, but you will know how things got to be the way they are.

Turin_C3PO

(13,991 posts)
42. In my ideal world
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 08:01 PM
Oct 2020

we would have two opposing parties. One would be center left and consist of people like Joe Biden, Buttigieg, etc. The other dominant party would consist of social Democrats such as AOC and the rest of the Squad.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,190 posts)
54. I agree
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 09:37 PM
Oct 2020

I'm 63. My parents were Goldwater Republicans, but they thought the John Birch Society extreme right wingers were nuts. My dad had been in the Marines during the Eisenhower administration and believed in an American military that was "second to none". They definitely believed in separation of church and state. My mother was definitely pro-choice.

I truly miss those times when Democrats and Republicans could find common ground and work on solutions together. Nixon was bad, but Reagan and the Moral Majority were the ones that really fucked things up.

TygrBright

(20,760 posts)
27. With all due respect, we sure don't want them.
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 05:49 PM
Oct 2020

They need to reconstruct a party that will counterbalance a progressive agenda and ideals, learn from their mistakes, banish racism and misogyny from the core beliefs animating their membership, and interact responsibly with their opposition.

Oh, and respect democracy and the Constitution of the United States.

I still won't vote for them, but I'll appreciate their participation in politics and government.

Because a counterbalance is always needed.

warily,
Bright

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
28. Thats bullshit. They're working for the Republican Party right now.
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 05:51 PM
Oct 2020

They’re trying to cleanse the stain of DJT from the Republican Party and we should not be letting them.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
37. No, that's not true. TLP mission statement is to end Trump's reign, and Trumpism within the GOP.
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 06:36 PM
Oct 2020

Wilson has already spoken many times of the need for the Republican Party to be burnt to the ground, and a new center right party to take it's place, thus cutting out the white nationalist scum. However, as the new centre right party will try to appeal to the right of centre Dems, the Democratic Party needs to produce the goods over the next 4 years, taking the oxygen out of any such move.

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
38. Unlike you, I do not believe people who's careers..
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 07:22 PM
Oct 2020

..were built by lying to the American public in support of the people that gave us Trump just because they’re on ‘our side’ this year.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
29. Sure you will. You may have to keep a lower profile for a while, but...
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 05:54 PM
Oct 2020

...you'll use that time rewriting history to pretend Trump was this mysterious madness that overcame the Republicans and not the culmination of decades of radicalization fostered by conservatives to provide the weight of numbers to elect conservative Republicans to enact policies they'd never be able to pass on their own merits.

And then you'll market yourself as the Trump-slayer.

bucolic_frolic

(43,162 posts)
30. He shouldn't waste his mind on Republican politics
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 05:57 PM
Oct 2020

He should try to shake the whole world into a fair place. I know, he's some kind of free-market Republican. But now he knows better.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
41. If they become the minority party in Congress and lose the presidency, the Repuke party is OVER.
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 07:57 PM
Oct 2020

There will be nothing left of it within 2 - 4 years.

There won’t be anything left for them to go back to.

Bettie

(16,109 posts)
43. I suspect this means that they
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 08:05 PM
Oct 2020

plan to turn our party into theirs.

And those of us farther to the left will be pushed out.

Bettie

(16,109 posts)
47. Than Steve Schmidt?
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 08:32 PM
Oct 2020

A whole bunch of ways.

His only goal is getting rid of Trump. He's not a Democrat. He's a conservative. Not a liberal at all.

Bettie

(16,109 posts)
49. I would like the party to continue to move
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 08:45 PM
Oct 2020

leftward. To eventually consider health CARE for everyone, not just health INSURANCE for everyone...yes, single payer.

I'd like to see an actual Green New deal that addresses the climate crisis NOW, not later in steps so tiny and incremental as to be nonexistent. That can't wait 20 or 50 years.

Basically, I'm not a centrist.

I'm a progressive and I know that a lot of people around here already hate that we even exist.

If the party becomes the party of Steve Schmidt and other disaffected Republicans...well, it won't be welcoming to those of us who aren't willing to give up on progressive ideals. There are far too many who really, really want to move in that direction.

They are not our friends. They are our allies right now, but I don't trust them as much as some seem to.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
51. Those are just generalities. Nothing specific
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 08:52 PM
Oct 2020

People are doing things about climate change now around the world.

Green New Deal is just a slogan.



Bettie

(16,109 posts)
56. If you trust Schmidt and his buddies
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 09:59 PM
Oct 2020

that's great for you.

I have my own opinion on them. I do not trust them nor do I think that we should turn our party into "Republican Lite" because Trump is not an optimal choice for Schmidt and his people.

You may like that direction, I don't know. I was expressing my personal fucking opinion.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
45. I feel like TLP gets the ugliness of bigotry more than those who make excuses
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 08:13 PM
Oct 2020

for Trump supporters by bringing up the economy.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
52. Well of course not. Which future GOP hopeful can ever...
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 09:03 PM
Oct 2020

...hire campaign managers who endorsed a Democratic candidate. Answer, none.

It may have been career suicide, but, they are getting up there in age and are probably looking at minimum of eight years of being in the minority. So they didn't have much of a future anyway.

With that being said....

They will train, teach, etc. their replacements. The TEA party backfired a bit and chased away most of the remaining moderates in the party and the biggest insult to injury, resulted in Trump. They will go back to recruitment mode for those moderates quietly while eliminating the nut cases in office. Their protégé's will eventually reacquire the party and make sure the nuts never have a chance again.

betsuni

(25,528 posts)
55. Can anyone explain why some people think Never Trump Republicans like TLP
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 09:55 PM
Oct 2020

are plotting to somehow take over the Democratic Party and make them adopt Republican polities? How would that even work?

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
59. Just started reading Rick Wilson's "Running against the Devil," & he's right about that
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 12:40 AM
Oct 2020

He and his cohort are done with the GOP. Really done. It’s not just Trump who’s the enemy, but Trumpism. And when he says they’re going to work to root out the many Trumpists already in office, all I can say is “How can we help?”

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
62. But they all will be able to sleep at night.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 12:42 PM
Oct 2020

A huge thank to Steve and others who took this bold step. Keep those ads coming, please.

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