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Steve Schmidt on the Lincoln Project
"None of us will ever work in Republican politics again," Schmidt tells Stahl. "We joke that-- like some of the explorers who came to the new world, they were incentivized by the captain when he burned the ships
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republican-strategists-the-lincoln-project-donald-trump-60-minutes-2020-10-09/
oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)Those folks know how to craft a message.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Works for me!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)Marius25
(3,213 posts)I can't see them being lifelong Dems.
oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)to register independent and support Dems.
My Pet Orangutan
(9,249 posts)Starting with GOP Senators, and the Governor of Florida.
RobertDevereaux
(1,857 posts)peggysue2
(10,828 posts)That means campaigning against all the GOP pols who kissed Trump's ring for expediency or through their own radical beliefs. That's not going to happen in a single cycle. Top to bottom they want the current crop of Republicans out of office, forever. National, state, county, everywhere.
Can't argue with that!
However, that doesn't mean they're turning into Dems. They want a new Conservative party. Cleaning house is merely the first step.
HAB911
(8,892 posts)when this is over, they will not be our friends
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Well Said!
LiberalFighter
(50,928 posts)There is a lot of common ground. And that common ground keeps shifting left.
It is a matter of electing top notch candidates that have the right beliefs and know how to communicate.
Statistical
(19,264 posts)They have zero issues with gutting ACA, privatizing social security, tax cuts for billionaires etc.
Enemy of my enemy and all that but if they were part of the Democratic party the Democratic party would be talking about shit like private savings accounts to replace social security.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Trump has destroyed it. Both parties used to actually work together, across the aisle. Republican Presidents used to represent all Americans. Think Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt.
OneBro
(1,159 posts)Think New Gingrich and Mitch McConnell.
Hestia
(3,818 posts)and his quest for blood. That has led the Party of Putin to where it is today helped along by this group of strategists.
I never thought about it, LP knowing how to gut check Republicans because they speak their language. Makes their videos even more devastating.
I do hope they "behave" themselves after the election. They do look to be of the age that they have mellowed and have had some Dark Nights of the Soul. But still...time will tell
misanthrope
(7,417 posts)and his subsequent sweep of the previously "solid South" in 1964 sparked ideas for Nixon's Southern Strategy. It was all downhill from there.
Cha
(297,240 posts)lostnfound
(16,179 posts)And it would be super helpful if they concentrate on republican primaries.
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)they may go down the broadcasting route. People make the mistake in thinking that they can all go back to the GOP after this, and they'll all play happy families again, but they are delusional. There's about 30% of Republican support will only answer to Trump, and they aren't going to have anything to do with a Mitt Romney or someone like that. Instead it there will be a civil war for control of the party by the likes of Pompeo/Haley/Hawley and scum like that. There will be no place for mainstream Repugs in next years GOP.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)once the GOP regained their sanity. But now I am not so sure because such a large portion of the GOP base is insane.
Renew Deal
(81,859 posts)Their plan is to run out the Trump supporters. What happens if that happens or if someone shows up with a boatload of money?
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Because let's be honest. The GOP is the party of Trump now. It'll never return to its former glory of Abe, Teddy, or Ike.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)MontanaFarmer
(630 posts)I'm enjoying being on the same side as them this time, because they've been hard to run against for the past 20 years.
D_Master81
(1,822 posts)As it is now if you defy Trump, you are excommunicated from the party. I know someone whos a low level county officer in the GOP who posted on Facebook he couldnt support trump anymore. The vitriol he said he got was astonishing. Someone even DMd him saying hed work to make sure he was never elected again.
So they arent going back mostly cause why would they be welcomed back when theyre running ads against not only trump but senators as well.
moondust
(19,981 posts)tracing his understanding of how the "party of Lincoln" flew off the rails and eventually became the racist "cult of Trump."
erronis
(15,257 posts)the evangelicals who tithe into the pundits/lobbyists pockets?
What are they going to do about the lust for power, sex, money?
Yeah, most of these new/old ex-rumpers want to get out of that association.
How about the 30-something college young repuglicons who have been spawned to be vile hate-filled bladders of vitriol against anything that resembles one-person, one-vote?
There's always new snakes wanting to take the stage. And rove/gingrich are still feeding them.
ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)Rebl2
(13,507 posts)work for this trump Republican Party. I do believe they will create a new type Republican Party, and call it something else.
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)Our founders knew that one person, one ideology, can take a country in the wrong direction quite fast. Which is why they created the system of checks and balances. They felt that if we engage in vigorous debate, and then move forward with a compromise that we can all live with, we will generally be OK.
As progressive as I am, I've been around nearly 62 years, active in my local community, and I have seen that most real progress happens within the middle two thirds of the Bell Curve.
If you consider Schmidt, and some of the other old-school Republican types, they put country first. If everyone is doing that, is committed to debate, and to moving forward, we will be fine.
It is when these current jokers started putting party over country that we got into trouble.
last sentence says it all! I believe it started with Newt Gingrich actually, and many of the tea party folks.
Lucky Luciano
(11,256 posts)PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)the 1971 Powell Manifesto, Reagan allowing the Fairness Doctrine to die by pocket veto in 1987. Even before that, we could look at the Sith Lord Lee Atwater and his apprentice Darth Rove. Of course the Newtster. There have been a bunch of them, and at this point, they seem little more than greedy traitors.
Rebl2
(13,507 posts)was pretty nasty. What was the Powell manifesto?
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)Lewis Powell was a Virginia lawyer.
He was horrified at the direction the country had been going - the antiwar demonstrations, civil rights, women's rights - it seemed to his conservative mind that the United States was moving too far toward being a 'welfare state,' and that neither party really represented the interests of business well.
So, he penned a memorandum to the US Chamber of Commerce that laid out an entire plan for changing the dialog through talk radio, through a venue such as Fox News, and through attacks on liberalism in K-12, colleges and universities.
If you read the memo (manifesto), you can see that Powell was either prescient, or as I believe, laid out a whole decades long plan for what in effect was a slow corporate coup. https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/democracy/the-lewis-powell-memo-a-corporate-blueprint-to-dominate-democracy/
The link above is what Green Peace has to say about it. The first one below is from Bill Moyers, and the second is Wiki.
https://billmoyers.com/content/the-powell-memo-a-call-to-arms-for-corporations/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_F._Powell_Jr.
So, you see, the whole swamp of corporate corruption that led to Citizens United, and the power of the NRA and other lobbies like the health insurance one. Profit over people. That is the key.
Then, also in the 1970s, the Chicago School of Economics came out with the neoliberal concept of what we call 'trickle down' economics, along with the mantra of privatization, deregulation, free trade, and gutting social programs. Guys like Grover Norquist arose as Mouths of Sauron to glibly explain the horror of this so called 'invisible hand of the market' laissez-faire capitalism in terms that sound good at first blush, but upon further thought not so much.
You'll recall that Grover is the guy who said we need to shrink government to the point where we can 'drown it in a bathtub,' and issued forth the myth that we were better off with tax cuts because we then had brass in pocket as opposed to services we needed. Remember when Bush went around the country in 2004 trying to sell the idea of privatizing Social Security. Wall Street is hungry for the Social Security Trust Fund. Still is. Look at the attacks on Social Security over the last decades.
Oh, but we're being attacked 24/7/365 on a thousand different fronts. The whole knee-jerk horror of 'sosh-a-lizm' that these lizards solemnly intone against, and these ignorant, bearded, drooling militias like those assholes in Michigan who were going to kidnap the governor of that state because they were inflamed by Trump's rhetoric.
But Trump is only the symptom of this neoliberal/neoconservative corporate capitalist imperialism. He is the proverbial 'dumb president that will merely sign laws sent to him by a Republican Congress. Hence, of course, the gerrymanders and the voter suppression. Republicans cannot defend their policies intellectually, morally or economically.
Well, enough of that. If you're interested in learning more, try a search for Howard Zinn. Read his 'People's History of the United States.' Then wade into some Noam Chomsky. I first heard of him in undergraduate school, because he is an internationally renowned linguistics professor. However, he also wrote some truth to power, and it is good. You could try 'Profit Over People,' 'Requiem for the American Dream,' and 'Hegemony or Survival.' His latest in 2016 was 'Who Rules the World?'
See, read those, my friend, and you'll still be progressive, but you will know how things got to be the way they are.
Turin_C3PO
(13,991 posts)we would have two opposing parties. One would be center left and consist of people like Joe Biden, Buttigieg, etc. The other dominant party would consist of social Democrats such as AOC and the rest of the Squad.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,190 posts)I'm 63. My parents were Goldwater Republicans, but they thought the John Birch Society extreme right wingers were nuts. My dad had been in the Marines during the Eisenhower administration and believed in an American military that was "second to none". They definitely believed in separation of church and state. My mother was definitely pro-choice.
I truly miss those times when Democrats and Republicans could find common ground and work on solutions together. Nixon was bad, but Reagan and the Moral Majority were the ones that really fucked things up.
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)TygrBright
(20,760 posts)They need to reconstruct a party that will counterbalance a progressive agenda and ideals, learn from their mistakes, banish racism and misogyny from the core beliefs animating their membership, and interact responsibly with their opposition.
Oh, and respect democracy and the Constitution of the United States.
I still won't vote for them, but I'll appreciate their participation in politics and government.
Because a counterbalance is always needed.
warily,
Bright
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)JI7
(89,249 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)Theyre trying to cleanse the stain of DJT from the Republican Party and we should not be letting them.
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)Wilson has already spoken many times of the need for the Republican Party to be burnt to the ground, and a new center right party to take it's place, thus cutting out the white nationalist scum. However, as the new centre right party will try to appeal to the right of centre Dems, the Democratic Party needs to produce the goods over the next 4 years, taking the oxygen out of any such move.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)..were built by lying to the American public in support of the people that gave us Trump just because theyre on our side this year.
JHB
(37,160 posts)...you'll use that time rewriting history to pretend Trump was this mysterious madness that overcame the Republicans and not the culmination of decades of radicalization fostered by conservatives to provide the weight of numbers to elect conservative Republicans to enact policies they'd never be able to pass on their own merits.
And then you'll market yourself as the Trump-slayer.
bucolic_frolic
(43,162 posts)He should try to shake the whole world into a fair place. I know, he's some kind of free-market Republican. But now he knows better.
Hestia
(3,818 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)There will be nothing left of it within 2 - 4 years.
There wont be anything left for them to go back to.
Bettie
(16,109 posts)plan to turn our party into theirs.
And those of us farther to the left will be pushed out.
JI7
(89,249 posts)Bettie
(16,109 posts)A whole bunch of ways.
His only goal is getting rid of Trump. He's not a Democrat. He's a conservative. Not a liberal at all.
JI7
(89,249 posts)Bettie
(16,109 posts)leftward. To eventually consider health CARE for everyone, not just health INSURANCE for everyone...yes, single payer.
I'd like to see an actual Green New deal that addresses the climate crisis NOW, not later in steps so tiny and incremental as to be nonexistent. That can't wait 20 or 50 years.
Basically, I'm not a centrist.
I'm a progressive and I know that a lot of people around here already hate that we even exist.
If the party becomes the party of Steve Schmidt and other disaffected Republicans...well, it won't be welcoming to those of us who aren't willing to give up on progressive ideals. There are far too many who really, really want to move in that direction.
They are not our friends. They are our allies right now, but I don't trust them as much as some seem to.
JI7
(89,249 posts)People are doing things about climate change now around the world.
Green New Deal is just a slogan.
Bettie
(16,109 posts)that's great for you.
I have my own opinion on them. I do not trust them nor do I think that we should turn our party into "Republican Lite" because Trump is not an optimal choice for Schmidt and his people.
You may like that direction, I don't know. I was expressing my personal fucking opinion.
JI7
(89,249 posts)JI7
(89,249 posts)for Trump supporters by bringing up the economy.
Xolodno
(6,395 posts)...hire campaign managers who endorsed a Democratic candidate. Answer, none.
It may have been career suicide, but, they are getting up there in age and are probably looking at minimum of eight years of being in the minority. So they didn't have much of a future anyway.
With that being said....
They will train, teach, etc. their replacements. The TEA party backfired a bit and chased away most of the remaining moderates in the party and the biggest insult to injury, resulted in Trump. They will go back to recruitment mode for those moderates quietly while eliminating the nut cases in office. Their protégé's will eventually reacquire the party and make sure the nuts never have a chance again.
betsuni
(25,528 posts)are plotting to somehow take over the Democratic Party and make them adopt Republican polities? How would that even work?
Hekate
(90,690 posts)He and his cohort are done with the GOP. Really done. Its not just Trump whos the enemy, but Trumpism. And when he says theyre going to work to root out the many Trumpists already in office, all I can say is How can we help?
IllinoisBirdWatcher
(2,315 posts)A huge thank to Steve and others who took this bold step. Keep those ads coming, please.