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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFox News just aired a live suicide following a car chase.
They showed it live.
Shep Smith apologizing to viewers. That's not enough. I'm very disturbed by seeing that and disgusted they'd not put it on delay. Sickening.
DisabledAmerican
(452 posts)They are also going on about impeaching the president over covering up Libya attack.
jmowreader
(50,563 posts)Fox News was formed to get Clinton impeached. They've been working on impeaching Obama since Election Day 2008.
DisabledAmerican
(452 posts)saw it at Thinkprogress
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/09/28/925781/huckabee-suggests-obama-should-be-impeached-over-libya-incident/
HUCKABEE: It was a planned orchestrated attack led by terrorists, terrorists, Bill. And this White House has to explain why it hasnt owned up to that. Why it cant say it. I think frankly, if this issue really gets traction that it deserves, and let it say it deserves, go back. Richard Nixon was forced out of office because he lied. And because he covered some stuff up. I will be blunt and tell you this. Nobody died in Watergate. We have people who are dead because of this. There are questions to be answered and Americans ought to demand to get answers. [...]
HEMMER: Just one more thing here. What youre describing, comparing events of today to Watergate.
HUCKABEE: I sure am .Bill, im not saying this just out of some political interest. Im saying that our trust as a nation is built on our ability to know that when our president, whoever he is, Democrat or Republican, looks us in the eye and tells us something, we ought to know he is telling us the truth.
Jazzgirl
(3,744 posts)Seriously who cares what they think? Stick what? Seriously, bush is responsible for more deaths for the lies he told getting us in Iraq and Afghanistan and nobody impeached his ass. Of course this isn't like Watergate and neither were Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush flat out lied and got hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed but thats okay. Puh-leez.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)jorno67
(1,986 posts)Or the President should be impeached...Somebody call George W Bush and give him a heads up!
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)So I know how they're spinning the facts.
DisabledAmerican
(452 posts)to watch fox news. Trust me I've been on some high level pain meds since I became disable at work. There wasn't one that could make me watch fox news.
jmowreader
(50,563 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)then they'd cut the feed if it got nasty
avebury
(10,952 posts)Shepard Smith was telling them to cut if off it was already too late.
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)in case it ends badly. This one ended with a suicide. Guy was far away from cops, pulled over and ran with a gun then stopped and put it to his head and pulled the trigger. None of it was on delay. Shep tried to explain that they put it on delay and apologized. It was not on a delay, they showed it and it made me sick. They have no shame.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)but hardly a surprise
Warpy
(111,358 posts)has been the motto for a lot of news organizations. Lead stories are often based on whether or not there is video, especially on local stations, rather than importance to viewers. News has become totally tabloid and Pox is leading the pack.
It's why I turned them off in 2004.
DemzRock
(1,016 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)LIVE is thing? Do you want to see taped and edited footage? How many live Car chases have you seen? They are live.
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)This one ended very badly and they failed to use a delay.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)but the camera caught it. I happened to be watching at the time.
It could happen to any station.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I wonder how many little kids just saw brains on the windshield.
slampoet
(5,032 posts)svip
(22 posts).. now he's gonna have to write a MASSIVE check to the FCC.
TheMightyFavog
(13,770 posts)The courts have determined that the FCC cannot control content on cable.
However, if there's some over the air station that simulcasts Fox News, then there might be a case...
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)"In the interest of journalistic accuracy" of course.
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myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Take your personal attacks back to FOX nation, please.
treestar
(82,383 posts)exactly along those lines on the Fox boards or yahoo boards and the like, but we got our own personal troll to do it here!
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)So you're saying they CHOSE to show someone blowing their brains out live on Fox News. That's worse than what I'm saying: that they were very irresponsible for allowing that to air.
Enjoy your stay here.
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Brickbat
(19,339 posts)RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)They are sick in the head. Seriously.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Not bad work, for a Friday!
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)Thank you MIRT!
Great Caesars Ghost
(532 posts)Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)Welcome to the board.
Remember that next time you see live war footage on TV... oh but you won't will you?
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)F--- YOURSELF, troll.
Kindly Refrain
(423 posts)AGGHHHHHHHH!!!!
BeyondGeography
(39,382 posts)Response to RedStateLiberal (Original post)
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RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)Thanks for posting I guess...
Maeve
(42,288 posts)ksoze
(2,068 posts)Graphically it was PG at best. Do you watch TV and see what is on there today. Makes that look like Disney.
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)Watching someone end their own life live on TV is hardly PG. WTF?
ksoze
(2,068 posts)I said it was sad, but GRAPHICALLY it was tame compared to even network TV shows. It may have been Emotionally graphic, but the shot was way off and is nothing compared to other such events which have been GRAPHICALLY worse.
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)They were incredibly irresponsible for letting that air live. That's the point of this thread. I really don't see the point of trying to minimize it by comparing it to fictionalized violence but whatever floats your boat.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I wish they did it more often, we stopped pretending this does not happen.
Reporting used to be far more graphic... and it is STILL this graphic in many places around the world.
Yes, it is disturbing... it should be disturbing.
renie408
(9,854 posts)Because we have gotten so...I don't even know...depraved?? as a society that somebody would say LIKE IT IS A GOOD THING "Oh, well, the shot was so far off and is nothing, really"
WHAT THE FUCK?
ksoze
(2,068 posts)to be clear one more time, I responded to the GRAPHIC warning. I found the act sad and horrible. I found the video tame GRAPHICALLY compared to what our kids see EVERYDAY on regular TV and video games. I get the pumped outrage since it was Fox, but back off with the faux outrage over something I did not say.
renie408
(9,854 posts)to a video game.
It's not faux anything. I AM outraged. And honey, that was aimed AT YOU, not at FOX.
randome
(34,845 posts)renie408
(9,854 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)of all types and restaurants is just rather shocking. I don't even know what to say about this caviler attitude toward real live violence.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)I saw the R. Budd Dwyer suicide when I was a kid. This was nothing in comparison.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)I always wonder at the rage that makes someone do what he did. He spared no one. The FOX situation was different, though no less tragic.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)renie408
(9,854 posts)Panasonic
(2,921 posts)In other words, Rupert Murdoch needs to be indicted for this disgusting and exploitative behavior of that said TV Nooz assholes.
Every car chase always winds up on Faux. Cops was cancelled years ago.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Why would you watch a live pursuit in real time if you fear being offended by tragic outcomes? Don't you think YOU have any responsibility for your choices, or is it entirely up to news agencies to sanitize reality for you?
renie408
(9,854 posts)I don't think they should film chases at all. But having done so, I think out of respect for the guy who ended up killing himself on live TV, that they should have had it on delay.
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)They claimed they did have it on delay but they showed the suicide anyway.
And I wasn't watching for a car chase. I monitor all the cable news channels during the day while I work using the DirecTV News Mix. I noticed a car chase on Fox and saw the ending.
They have a responsibility to their viewers to not let something so disturbing air. I am criticizing them for such irresponsible broadcasting.
This isn't about me. It's about a news network showing a live suicide to millions of Americans. But, I guess it's all my fault for watching based on your unfair assumptions.
randome
(34,845 posts)But it doesn't do them any good to have broadcast it so, what's the point of this thread? To say they aren't very good at their jobs? We already know that.
And a slip-up like this, I would imagine, could happen to any news organization that jumps on the chance to film something live, thinking it's 'just' a car chase.
Maybe they'll be fined. So what? Stations are fined all the time.
I just don't get the outrage.
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)That's the point of this thread as I've repeated over and over in comments.
For the record if MSNBC or CNN had done this I'd be just as outraged.
Fox fucked up big time and that deserves to be called out. Just think of all the kids that could have seen this on all the TV sets that show Faux News all over the country in waiting rooms or restaurants. If that doesn't deserve outrage I don't know what else does.
randome
(34,845 posts)Apparently viewers could hear personnel in the background saying to cut the feed but it wasn't in time. Someone fucked up or the equipment did. Either way, even for Fox News, that's hard to see as 'irresponsible', IMO.
Sometimes a fuck-up is just a fuck-up.
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)Especially when it comes to car chases. Everyone puts them on delay to avoid exactly what happened live today on Fox News.
randome
(34,845 posts)You can hear the personnel in the background trying to stop it. Somebody or some component screwed up.
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)I have no reason to believe them since they aired it anyway. If the delay wasn't working then they shouldn't have it on at all. If the delay was working then they showed it on purpose. Either way they fucked up and that's irresponsible.
randome
(34,845 posts)No one knows when a component will fail until...it fails! A faulty time delay is more plausible than Fox News wanting to gross out their viewers.
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)I've never claimed they wanted to gross out their viewers. I've only said they were irresponsible in the way they handled the coverage of this event. They probably shouldn't have been covering it to begin with but they chose to do so, so they should have taken precautions to make sure they wouldn't show what they DID indeed show. They deserve to be held accountable.
Even if it was just a fuck up, they should still be held accountable. People should know how they fucked up and the consequences of their mistake. I was greatly disturbed by what I saw. Imagine all the sets in waiting rooms and restaurants that show that channel and all the kids who might have seen the suicide. If I was traumatized I can imagine a lot of people were as well. Fuck up or not, they do deserve criticism whether you agree or not.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)...with "entertaining" bits of edgy reality, like live high speed pursuits, but they should protect you from having to see how they actually end if things don't turn out well? I don't buy it.
Fair disclosure-- I turned the TV off permanently in 1990. I still think THAT is the appropriate way to protect oneself from the possibility of seeing offensive stuff on the box.
randome
(34,845 posts)That's not snark, BTW.
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)Or even newsworthy. If they're going to cover it they should do so responsibly. Why is this lost on so many people?
lunatica
(53,410 posts)they know better. But I wouldn't put it past them to pretend to not notice and let it pass. They're losing ratings while Rachel Maddow gains them. She's beating them now.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)No good ever comes from 'em. I don't understand the fascination with car chases in this country.
renie408
(9,854 posts)Exactly. They shouldn't be filming it at all.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)1.- I tend to tweet them when they happen so people can AVOID THEM.
2.- They are really easy stories.
And on a slow news day, news copters justify their existence.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)I say it all got worse with the OJ car chase back in the 90's.
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arcane1
(38,613 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And your reaction, and that of many folks here, is cultural.
Two points.
1.- IN the US we have far more graphic things on the teevee machine that are scripted. I guess knowing the actor will stand up and go home makes it ok.
2.- This is actual standard fare in countries (yes in the evening news) that have less access to guns. Usually they are preceded by a warning... but that is all.
I have asked to myself many a times if we really like to live in a fantasy world, where things like this are hidden from people by both media and willful ignorance.
Yes, it is a disturbing piece of tape... it should be... but read point number one... so should our graphic portrayal of violence that passes for family entertainment.
Shep Smith violated an unwritten code of not showing this crap to viewers, that is all.
w8liftinglady
(23,278 posts)We sanitized the war so much that no one knew what was actually happening there.
Same with Hurricaine Katrina.
I DO remember the news from the 60's.
It was graphic.
It was real.
It hit home.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)renie408
(9,854 posts)I don't care what they show in other countries. They do all kinds of things in other countries that I don't want done here. Scripted violence is just that..scripted.
Showing a real human being in their most horrific, distressed moment is not news. It is NOT my business. Who knows why the guy was running, who he was, what his circumstances were. I am sure we will all know what his frigging shoe size was within 24 hours, though.
If you cannot tell the difference between real people and fake people, I think that is a problem. For you.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but this used to be in the MEDIA here... regularly.
As in your evening news.
This too.
People here were horrified when photos like this ran... mostly in foreign papers. That is Katrina dear
This one, mostly DID NOT run in US Papers, again Katrina my dear.
We need to stop pretending. These things happen, and yes, we need to go back to an era when this was shown, in the evening news, with the proper warning.
We really are living in a fantasy.
renie408
(9,854 posts)Good to know.
Do you think there is a difference between the two examples you gave and some random guy hopping out of his car on the side of the road and shooting himself in the head? WHY was this thing today NEWS? What business is it of mine? For that matter, why are car chases 'news'?
This has nothing to do with my ability to deal with reality. This has to do with the difference between news and sensationalism that seems to completely have completely eluded YOU.
I have dealt with death in person in my own life and, I am sure, will again. To assume that my disgust and outrage is due to my inability to 'handle' the truth is condescending and obnoxious.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)they have been, and it is not doing anybody any favors.
The two katrina photos, did not, mostly, run on US Papers... why is that?
Yes, American media is trying to protect you.
The falling man, we have no clue who he was, and RIP, that photo on 911 media was criticized for running it.
Yet, you know how many scripts have had that in it?
And yes, it is time we go back to more accurate reporting... even the if it bleeds it leads, mostly don't bleed... so people see it as some form of nightly entertainment.
renie408
(9,854 posts)It would appear that you are not talking to me. I am not sure who you are talking to. I never said I wanted the news 'sanitized'. I said this wasn't news, wasn't anybodies business other than those directly involved. What if that were someone close to YOU? Why should that video now apparently be all over Youtube? What national significance does it have? What is the NEWS value? That it happened?
Really? THAT'S your criteria for news? It happened?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and we tweet them regularly... to help people STAY AWAY FROM THEM.
Car chases are among the most dangerous of police actions, and can and do end badly often.
So it is a duty of a news organization to WARN people when one is happening in your area.
You may not have ended in the middle of one, but you really do not want to. For the record, we almost did the other day... and we try to avoid them.
By the way, I am a journalist, I do this shit for real, and the paper I work for has a twitter feed (where we warn people of fires, chases shootings, oh my, and update them during wild fires and other emergencies when in the field.)
Hey, I did not get to cover that one, and there was no twitter back then, but locally we even had one involving a tank... yup. I am dead serious, and it ended up in the death of the tank driver. It WAS major news.
I was at my sister's well before doing this, and we were watching the tv, when they broke into breaking nooz, the chase involved a city bus. I stayed with her until it was over. As a former medic, I know just how bad they can end. I do not want to be in the middle of one.
So no, I do not fault them for covering a chase. The question, which is what is relevant here, is whether a local chase is worthy of national news. When the tank was involved, I suppose, after all that M-60 was stolen from the local armory.
I guess it is a slow nooz day in the studio... like when we all ended up at a snoozer of a hazmat incident in Lakeside. We, ok, it is MY BEAT... the rest of the nooz crews... slow nooz day.
Here is another one where we all felt pretty much snookered, local dems (all 15 of them) welcoming Romney at the highway exit... nope that wasn't nooz either, but multiple nooz editors had us all in the field covering that.
So to answer your question, yes, they are relevant, and if I happen to get nooz of one right now, over the scanner, guess what I will be doing?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Even if you weren't a "journalist", you should know that.
renie408
(9,854 posts)But hey, I have to give you this, you are no quitter.
Dontcha think it would be more to the point to put out a bulletin on the local radio news since the people who need to know about this stuff would be in their CARS at the time a chase was happening of that was the concern?
And I don't think 'journalists' cover car chases. Matt Taibbi is a journalist. I may just be a lowly horse trainer, but even I can see the difference there.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You have possibly never heard of the police blotter... it it real
Hell, I also cover local labor... and as I said, fires, and election returns.
And yes, locally my radio stations, KOGO 600 AM and NPR in the FM band, do break into programing if the chase is bad enough, aka like involving a tank...
Here
I was so glad they did... I was going in that direction when it broke, instead went home.
I was not the only one.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)hardly qualifies as journalism.
http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/
Especially when stories are erroneously based on a Facebook posting...
http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/node/8423
renie408
(9,854 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)But I might notice something when passing the TV in the break room.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)A guy running from the cops and then shooting himself in the head is not.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)I'm in the UK and have access to news channels across Europe, India, Russia and the States........and I HAVE NEVER seen what I saw a little while ago done in any country...on any news program before.
In fairness to Shep Smith.....it was his producer's fault for not shutting off the feed.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)emanating from Brazil, Mexico, Spain, and a few others.
And yes, his producer goofed
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Or taped? At least with taped footage, the viewer can be warned.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)most of the time, taped with warning. I mean, Mexico has a 24\7 environment now, for mexico city, but not the whole country... and brazil and spain also do not have 24\7 channels
gollygee
(22,336 posts)But yeah, that's what delay is supposed to be for. Or stop covering car chases all the time.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)If it happens live it's not like Fox knew ahead of time it was going to happen.
This happened back in the mid 80s when Budd Dwyer, former PA State Treasurer, was about to be sentenced for some fraud he had committed. A few days before that happened Dwyer hosted a press conference that some of the local news filmed live and at the end of the speech Dwyer pulled out a gun and shot himself. I remember watching it on TV.
No one had a clue it was going to happen but you can't blame the people who film it live. It's not like Dwyer said at the onset of his speech that at the end of it he was going to kill himself.
randome
(34,845 posts)revolution breeze
(879 posts)My mother was a sophomore in high school when she watched Jack Ruby shoot Lee Harvey Oswald on live television.
renie408
(9,854 posts)war and Lee Harvey Oswald and some random guy who hops out of a car on the side of the road and shoots himself in the head.
What is the NEWS value of the last thing? Why do WE have the right to watch that?
randome
(34,845 posts)They had it on delay and personnel can be heard shouting to pull the plug and someone or something failed to do that.
There IS no news value in this and that's why they tried to pull the plug.
renie408
(9,854 posts)And as long as WE accept it, they will keep doing it. This is about what news is and what news isn't. This is about some poor guy who was scared and freaked out and pulled a gun out and shot himself in the head on national television. It wasn't a video game and he was somebody's family. And now it is out there. Unless we start saying, "HEY! Some things are OFF LIMITS!" we really will wind up with snuff TV.
So, just shrugging and blowing it off isn't going to get that done. We SHOULD be outraged at what passes for news and what gets on TV. They show FOX News in my bank. What about somebody in there with a child?
And now this guy's family gets to live with his death all over Youtube. Great.
randome
(34,845 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)A typical press conference shouldn't raise suspicions and yes, sometimes, things are out of the media's control. However, how many times have car chases ended extremely badly - either with a shootout or a person killing themselves? Any time the media runs with a car chase, there is a very high possibility something awful is going to be shown. It's why, generally, they have a delay ... but for whatever reason, that delay wasn't there this go around.
The comparison isn't fair because we should always suspect the worst from a car chase. FOX shouldn't be broadcasting this shit. It's not news ... it's entertainment.
renie408
(9,854 posts)And, no, it isn't news.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Still not blaming Fox.
WE have no clue what will happen at the end of a car wreck outside of some dead and damaged people from the wreck - which shouldn't be shown.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)I think it's clear they were in the wrong here. For starters, the incident you cite was a big reason why they decided to go with the 10 second delay ... so they could avoid problems like this. The fact that didn't happen this go around just shows how incompetent FOX can be. There is no reason they couldn't have stopped this from broadcasting. They've got censors set up for a reason, delays set up for a reason, and it failed here.
Beyond that, though, I still fail to see why they were broadcasting this in the first place? Is it really news and knowing the chances this could end badly - a nasty car accident, a shootout, a suicide, maybe a hostage situation...anything, really, why go ahead with the broadcast?
You don't have to see anything wrong with it. I do. I find it tactless and furthers my point that the media today is more interested in sensationalism than reporting hard news.
FOX should be criticized for this. Any network that would allow this to get through should be ... even if it was an accident. The fact is, this all could've been avoided had they not broadcast the car chases.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)JI7
(89,276 posts)RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)where I watched a live suicide minutes before posting. What do you expect? Objective journalism on a message board? Give me a break.
sakabatou
(42,176 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)but Shep was taken aback that, supposedly, their 5-second delay did not work.
At least that was a part of the apology.
JI7
(89,276 posts)renie408
(9,854 posts)For his family and friends to see it. How convenient for them.
Why was this news in the first place?
JI7
(89,276 posts)there will always be a chance of a horrible outcome. and it's not really a live news worthy story other than as some cheap way to get ratings through exploitation.
renie408
(9,854 posts)This wasn't news.
sylvi
(813 posts)At least that was his claim in his apology. In fact you can hear him saying, "Cut away" several times. For some reason the technician or whoever was running the film did not do so.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)"NO" right when the guy puts the gun to his head. Smith doesn't react until later.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)I unfortunately watched it live. Shep was yelling "Get it off! Get it off!" I think someone screwed up but I'd blame the producer on this one. It would be a producer's responsibility to shut the feed down, not the anchor's.
Initech
(100,104 posts)Great Caesars Ghost
(532 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)no, won't be the last either.
Oh and did I forget to mention this is cable?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Nothing.
onenote
(42,768 posts)Even if it was broadcast it wouldn't be against any law and would be protected by the First Amendment. The fact that it was cable is often relevant when it comes to content -- such as "indecency" or "profanity" (specifically defined to encompass sexual content) -- since the courts have held that subscription services are more like newspapers and entitled to broader first amendment protection than broadcast (and because the Communications Act applies content restrictions to "radio" communications -- a term that covers broadcast, not cable).
30 years plus of communications law experience speaking here.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)onenote
(42,768 posts)There is no rule or law that addresses the depiction of violence, live or 'made up' on television. And the presentation of a live news event -- protected by the First Amendment.
Sorry, but its not even a close call.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)get plenty of backlash from any customers with kids who might have witnessed this.
ksoze
(2,068 posts)Mariana
(14,861 posts)I see disgust at Fox News for broadcasting a suicide. It's not the same thing.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)AnOhioan
(2,894 posts)#1 Fox goofed up.
#2 There is no point about invoking the FCC..the FCC has no jurisdiction.
#3 Car chases are news...barely..they are also sensationalism....something that all news programs employ to one degree or another.
#4 TV/Cable News stopped being news awhile ago...it is now entertainment.
randome
(34,845 posts)Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)Now I know not to bother replying to the thread.
Oh wait, I just did. I should probably delete that first sentence, but if I did then this sentence would make any sense
Pacafishmate
(249 posts)People are way too sensitive these days.
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)than it does about me.
mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)Look at owner. Rupert Murdock. His Paper over in Great Britain hacked a dead child's cell phone and had the parents thinking the child was alive. When they were really checking her messages. Rodger Ailes is extremely heartless. They have faked the news on so many levels that when real news comes along they "Just Can't Handle The Truth" lol
Rosco T.
(6,496 posts).. and they DID insert a delay when the guy got out of the car . All you saw was him put the gun to his head and fall down. No bang, no spew and Shep was almost screaming "GET OFF OF IT!" A longer delay and they would have not even shown that... but I will give them credit for trying, and major credit to Shep for apologizing for it.
Then again if it had been O'Really or the Hammity, they would have let it run and found a way to blame Obama for it.