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Boogiemack

(1,406 posts)
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 05:53 AM Oct 2020

Biden needs a rapid "fix ad" for PA. He needs to explain his fracking position better and

explain his position on fossil fuels better, linking new jobs to our transition to less dependence on fossil fuel. He can use the changes in atmosphere and water due to COVID19 which is responsible for the reduction in air and water pollution.

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Biden needs a rapid "fix ad" for PA. He needs to explain his fracking position better and (Original Post) Boogiemack Oct 2020 OP
His position has been pretty clear soothsayer Oct 2020 #1
With Biden's huge cash advantage.... calguy Oct 2020 #2
Yes he does judeling Oct 2020 #3
I agree Delarage Oct 2020 #4
No he doesn't - that's a Faux talking point - you are on the wrong site Hestia Oct 2020 #9
What? Delarage Oct 2020 #10
+1000 BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #15
Great band! Yeehah Oct 2020 #12
"concern" Tarc Oct 2020 #5
There's a lot more opposition to fracking than DeminPennswoods Oct 2020 #6
"If you have a job in the energy industry, I will create better jobs in the energy industry." lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #7
nope. It's a canard. bigtree Oct 2020 #8
Ahh, I trust Biden's team to know what to do. Nt USALiberal Oct 2020 #11
Sighhh. Another "Biden needs to..." BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #13
Fuck oil and fracking. pwb Oct 2020 #14
Biden needs to take advice from online concern trolls... Wounded Bear Oct 2020 #16

calguy

(5,101 posts)
2. With Biden's huge cash advantage....
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 06:13 AM
Oct 2020

He'll be flooding every swing state with ads between now and Nov third. Whether or not he needs a "fix" ad is up to the campaign to decide.
Who really needs a "fix" ad is trump. He needs a lot of them. And he doesn't have the cash to do it. He's the desperate one, not Joe.

judeling

(1,086 posts)
3. Yes he does
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 06:32 AM
Oct 2020

It was the one point that can be seized on. Heck if you follow the overnight business media it already has been.

The premise of the "fix" should be: "I'm not going to ban fracking, I don't need to, reality is catching up to it".

We can deny reality as Trump and the Republicans do or get ahead of it. They tried with coal and failed and we are now in a worse place. Lets get ahead of it and use the skills of the workers to benefit everyone.

Delarage

(2,179 posts)
4. I agree
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 07:09 AM
Oct 2020

He could go back to science on this one, too. We all know fossil fuels are causing climate change and the disasters we keep seeing. Natural gas is much cleaner than coal and oil and less dangerous than nuclear. So he should clearly say that it will be a transitional source of energy as we transition away from fossil fuels---it's not going to disappear tomorrow. Or next month. Or next year even. But it's not sustainable.

I understand the fear people have---imagine if you were told that your job as a ____________ is going to disappear and you don't really have any other specific training or options. That is scary. So maybe they could entice the alternative energy producers to set up shop in the biggest fossil fuel states with a direct line for training and opportunities.

Meanwhile.....the alternative is the orange anus spewing nonsense about windmills killing all the birds, solar not working, removing windows, blah blah blah, talking about coal coming back, steam-powered air craft carriers, selling his soul to Putin and other oil producers, touching glowing orbs with murderers in Saudi Arabia, etc.....

Reminds me of the line "Nothing's as precious as a hole in the ground" (while everyone else dies) from Blue Sky Mine by Midnight Oil.

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Hestia

(3,818 posts)
9. No he doesn't - that's a Faux talking point - you are on the wrong site
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 07:57 AM
Oct 2020

Texas drillers have walked away from the wells, filed for bankruptcy, leaving the wells spewing methane at unprecedented levels, all on the taxpayers to clean up and jobs are already lost. Of course, that is the message that should get out there.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Texas-taxpayers-could-face-117B-cost-to-clean-up-15611824.php

Plugging and cleaning up the open oil and gas wells in Texas could cost companies and taxpayers as much as $117 billion, according to a new report.

Orphan Wells with Delinquent P-5 Greater Than 12 Months
Orphaned wells are inactive, non-compliant wells that have been inactive a minimum of 12 months and the responsible operator's Organizational Report (Form P-5) has been delinquent for greater than 12 months. Operators desiring to take over these wells must have an active Organization Report (Form P-5) and, upon request, provide a good faith claim to operate the wells.

https://www.rrc.state.tx.us/oil-gas/research-and-statistics/well-information/orphan-wells-12-months/

Texas oil regulator exceeds state’s annual goal for plugging abandoned wells
https://www.worldoil.com/news/2020/9/23/texas-oil-regulator-exceeds-state-s-annual-goal-for-plugging-abandoned-wells

Delarage

(2,179 posts)
10. What?
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 11:00 AM
Oct 2020

What part is a Faux News talking point? That fossil fuels cause climate change and that we need to transition away from them?

Or that natural gas is cleaner than oil/coal? I could be wrong about that, but I agree that we need to get away from ALL of them. But we can't do it tomorrow and people in those industries will worry about their jobs. That's all I was saying......what will we use while we transition and can their jobs move to those industries?

I remember Joe talking about jobs in fixing the wells, etc.

You know how to hurt a guy

I have solar panels on my house, drive a fuel-efficient car, etc.

DeminPennswoods

(15,235 posts)
6. There's a lot more opposition to fracking than
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 07:21 AM
Oct 2020

most people realize. And, here in western Pennsylvania, the pipelines to carry the fracked gas are an issue. It was only a year or two ago that a new pipeline exploded and severely damaged a nearby residential neighborhood. DEP has halted construction on other pipelines more than once for safety violations.

The reason there's support for fracking is because counties in western PA are desperate for jobs and revenue. Although even the revenue has been declining recently with the glut of natural gas on the market.

Shell's been building a huge cracker plant complex in my county. They've had a ton of construction workers here for the past 2-3 years, but once construction is done in the near future, those workers won't have a job. The ones from out-of-town will leave, too. Initially Shell promised 600 permanent jobs. That's now down to 500. But, with the close by coal-fired nuclear plant planning to close, the net gain in jobs will be even less.

The county could've created as many, if not more, jobs by getting behind construction of a recycling complex or a trash-to-steam plant or both and more if they got behind the "green" economy movement.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
7. "If you have a job in the energy industry, I will create better jobs in the energy industry."
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 07:25 AM
Oct 2020

The new jobs will be cleaner, safer, better-paying, and more stable.

bigtree

(85,614 posts)
8. nope. It's a canard.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 07:43 AM
Oct 2020

...he shouldn't allow himself to be put on the defense at this point, for anything.

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