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What is wrong with US? (Original Post) Boogiemack Oct 2020 OP
Please stop pitting compassion for suffering animals against compassion for these children hlthe2b Oct 2020 #1
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Oct 2020 #2
Thank you, it's not either/or Happyhippychick Oct 2020 #3
AMEN!!! pazzyanne Oct 2020 #5
Absolutely! Duppers Oct 2020 #12
Thank you!!! ehrnst Oct 2020 #22
Thank you! cwydro Oct 2020 #32
Just how much money goes for advertising and staff, rather than the animals? olegramps Oct 2020 #33
Natural surroundings? elevator Oct 2020 #42
Well said. StarryNite Oct 2020 #35
Thank you. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #37
Interesting seeing all those different ribbons Raine Oct 2020 #49
So true. We are capable of putting our energy into more than one thing at a time. NoRoadUntravelled Oct 2020 #38
two separate situations bdamomma Oct 2020 #40
K&r Progressive dog Oct 2020 #45
Absolutely! 👍 nt Raine Oct 2020 #48
I don't think its 'either/or' according to the OP Nexus2 Oct 2020 #4
Dogs are fellow sentient creatures who deserve care and compassion Yeehah Oct 2020 #6
I didn't see anything in the OP that wnylib Oct 2020 #28
as a person who writes commericals NJCher Oct 2020 #34
I have worked in the AV department wnylib Oct 2020 #43
I think many people believe either/or to be fine, and that is the problem bucolic_frolic Oct 2020 #7
Because it's not as simple as people think in some cases like with the homeless JI7 Oct 2020 #29
The ASPCA was founded in 1866. marie999 Oct 2020 #8
Just because some of us care about animals... Sloumeau Oct 2020 #9
Exactly ... Raine Oct 2020 #46
Done before Bear Creek Oct 2020 #10
The saddest Dios Mio Oct 2020 #11
Well, either ad would be wasted on fox snooze as Psychopaths/ sociopaths do not have empathy or yaesu Oct 2020 #13
I totally get your point Sunsky Oct 2020 #14
I don't watch tv that has ads so I don't see them Kaleva Oct 2020 #15
A sick dog is sad.... but I will pick up the sick child FIRST ashredux Oct 2020 #16
+1 spudspud Oct 2020 #39
Tell me how I can directly help those children Duppers Oct 2020 #17
exactly. ask ppl to bring those kids into their homes and mopinko Oct 2020 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author keepthemhonestO Oct 2020 #19
It's not one or the other IronLionZion Oct 2020 #20
The point is that people do not appear to SlogginThroughIt Oct 2020 #24
But you are basing it on the ads. Those ads for Animals involve raising money which can be used JI7 Oct 2020 #27
good points NJCher Oct 2020 #36
The relative privation fallacy: ehrnst Oct 2020 #21
Thank you. paleotn Oct 2020 #31
When I read this I knew you would be attacked for it. SlogginThroughIt Oct 2020 #23
Those ads involve giving money which goes directly to helping Animals. For the Children we need JI7 Oct 2020 #25
Sorry that some here jumped in just to slam you. I think of the children too when it see those ads. flying_wahini Oct 2020 #26
Post removed Post removed Oct 2020 #30
I appreciate your efforts to clean up. BusyBeingBest Oct 2020 #41
Worse than Trump voters? elevator Oct 2020 #44
It doesn't have to be either or, it can be both Raine Oct 2020 #47

hlthe2b

(101,325 posts)
1. Please stop pitting compassion for suffering animals against compassion for these children
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 06:38 AM
Oct 2020

The fact is that those you seek to convince have compassion for NEITHER, while those who are fighting to save tortured or abandoned animals are those most likely to be active in efforts to save and reunite these kids. Myself included.

I am DAMNED SICK OF THOSE WHO suggest that it is EITHER/OR and not BOTH!

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
33. Just how much money goes for advertising and staff, rather than the animals?
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 09:14 AM
Oct 2020

I know for a fact that St. Jude and the Shriners have extensive volunteers who give the time and money to the cause. I t appears to me that is not the fact in the animal awareness programs from what I have been able to find out. I have had great dogs and now have a wonderful amusing cat I take care of daily. Cats are especially interesting and seem to retain much of their natural instincts. When we take these animals out of their natural surrounding and attempt to domesticate them we take on a serious responsibility.

 

elevator

(415 posts)
42. Natural surroundings?
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:27 AM
Oct 2020

Dogs and cats have been domesticated for thousands of years, few, if any, would thrive without a compassionate human. But, yes, being a guardian for an animal is a serious responsibility.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
37. Thank you.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 09:32 AM
Oct 2020
I am DAMNED SICK OF THOSE WHO suggest that it is EITHER/OR and not BOTH!
It seems to me that this shit only happens online. I've never ONCE had someone come up to me and comment on my pink-ribbon car magnet and scold me for being an awful human being because they believe I should care MORE about HIV research or Alzheimer's research.

NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
38. So true. We are capable of putting our energy into more than one thing at a time.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 09:34 AM
Oct 2020

Why must it be a choice between children and animals or veterans and asylum seekers? The US is capable of seeing to it that none must suffer in this way. It is only a lack of imagination and lack of will that things are as they are. We can do so much better.

Nexus2

(1,261 posts)
4. I don't think its 'either/or' according to the OP
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 07:00 AM
Oct 2020

But wondering why there seems to be so much more publicizing and open urging for help one than the other. I don't think its some lack of empathy, but more because one is relatively newer. I've seen save the children charities mostly for over seas need but the border crisis is a 'new' tragedy, more of a news event than animal cruelty a more established wrong and has established orgs and charities barring truly horrific levels that it appears on news.

Both get attention but in different circles that sometimes over lap.

Yeehah

(4,443 posts)
6. Dogs are fellow sentient creatures who deserve care and compassion
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 07:07 AM
Oct 2020

Do not denigrate appeals for the care of dogs to make your point.

wnylib

(21,146 posts)
28. I didn't see anything in the OP that
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 08:47 AM
Oct 2020

denigrates care for dogs. I saw a justified question brought up. The question is, "Why don't we publicize the need for care of those kidnapped children at the border as much as we publicize the need for care of our pets?"

In other words, is the love and compassion that we feel for pets capable of also including the needs of children kidnapped by our government from their parents? The answer should be a clear YES. So, we should give as much attention and concern to those children as we do to our dogs....and cats, birds, etc.

NJCher

(35,186 posts)
34. as a person who writes commericals
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 09:20 AM
Oct 2020

that is not a :30 or :60 proposition. It's way too complex to do an ad for something like that in the time allowed.

Yeah, you can produce it. But it won't be effective.

There's a medium for every message. The challenge in this case is to choose the right medium. Television is not it.

wnylib

(21,146 posts)
43. I have worked in the AV department
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:34 AM
Oct 2020

of a large ad agency. I do not accept your claim that a 30 or 60 second spot cannot be effective in raising and keeping alive public attention to the children separated from parents at our southern border. Nearly everyone has heard something about it so you're not starting from scratch. Attention-getting scenes in visual ads can refer people to a website or phone number for additional information and donations to agencies working on the problem.

And why limit outreach awareness to broadcast media? There's also Twitter and Facebook. Organizations can take this on as a cause, too, using pamphlets, newspaper ads and editorial letters. I've been following the horrors at the southern border for a few years. Before the pandemic, I was speaking to groups and preparing handouts for them on what's been going on and where to donate to help.

Ads cost money, unless they can get free, non-profit consideration. Providing services to those in need costs money - food, clothing, medicine, legal advocacy in court appearances and preparing documents.

The ACLU is one agency involved. I know of 4 mainstream religious groups that are very actively involved - Lutheran, Presbyterian, Episcopal, and Roman Catholic. The money that is donated to the immigration services run by those denominations goes directly to immigration programs, which operate under separate budgets from the rest of the church organization.

There's a lot that we can do. We just have to care enough to do it - as much as we care about our pets.

bucolic_frolic

(42,204 posts)
7. I think many people believe either/or to be fine, and that is the problem
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 07:09 AM
Oct 2020

But also, our food chain is a slaughterhouse of chickens, cows, pigs, lambs, and fish. We still have big game hunters. So I do understand the critique that dogs and cats are accorded a special place that many love, but no one polled the other species.

As for the OP, the same argument can be made for the homeless. We spend far more on self-storage than efforts to house and uplift homeless people. Our priorities are fouled up!

JI7

(89,111 posts)
29. Because it's not as simple as people think in some cases like with the homeless
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 08:48 AM
Oct 2020

There have been homeless who have often been offered shelter and they refuse. It's a bigger problem that includes things like mental illness.

With the animals it's much more easier because we have control over the animals .

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
8. The ASPCA was founded in 1866.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 07:10 AM
Oct 2020

The New York Society for the Protection of Cruelty to Children was founded in 1874.

Raine

(30,467 posts)
46. Exactly ...
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 07:22 PM
Oct 2020

There's nothing wrong with caring about animals,we can care about more then one thing at a time.

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
10. Done before
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 07:19 AM
Oct 2020

Nazi Germany the people cared more about animal well being over the horrific atrocities they were committing to the people they had objectified.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
13. Well, either ad would be wasted on fox snooze as Psychopaths/ sociopaths do not have empathy or
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 07:34 AM
Oct 2020

compassion for any living things

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
14. I totally get your point
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 07:36 AM
Oct 2020

And nowhere did you imply that we should not care about animals as some of the responses seem to suggest.
Back to the point- some of my associates were shocked last night when Biden mentioned over 500 kids are still separated from their parents. I've received text messages asking about the validity of that statement. The media has long moved on from those suffering children. Where is the outrage? I've always said this was one of the key reasons to get rid of Donald Trump. How inhumane!

Duppers

(28,076 posts)
17. Tell me how I can directly help those children
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 07:46 AM
Oct 2020

Besides writing to my CongressCritters, which I have done, & voting against all Rethugians, which I have done. I also send $ to democratic candidates.

I'm not aware of any fundraising that can help those poor kids directly.
But I do know my donations to animal charities directly helps to feed & neuter critters. You would rather I not do that?



mopinko

(69,566 posts)
18. exactly. ask ppl to bring those kids into their homes and
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 07:51 AM
Oct 2020

the lines would wrap around the block.

Response to Boogiemack (Original post)

IronLionZion

(45,041 posts)
20. It's not one or the other
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 08:28 AM
Oct 2020

People can care about both. Both problems will see tremendous improvements once we elect a president who loves dogs and children.

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
24. The point is that people do not appear to
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 08:39 AM
Oct 2020

The point is that people do not appear to be concerned about both. YOU may be. Probably everyone here on this site cares about both. The point is that we KNOW this is going on and it gets lost in the chaos. You are right that it will get better for these kids in about 80 some days. But thats 80 days on top of how long it has been.

JI7

(89,111 posts)
27. But you are basing it on the ads. Those ads for Animals involve raising money which can be used
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 08:46 AM
Oct 2020

to help those animals directly. People have access to those animals and and get them the help they need.

People don't have access to the kids. Even publilc officals have often been turned away while trying to see them .

There are people who volunteer to provide legal help.

The problem is political when it comes to the kids. What we need is a change in leadership.

But it is true that many people don't care about the kids and those people are mainly racists .

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
21. The relative privation fallacy:
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 08:31 AM
Oct 2020

Fallacy of relative privation (also known as "appeal to worse problems" or "not as bad as" ) – dismissing an argument or complaint due to what are perceived to be more important problems.

JI7

(89,111 posts)
25. Those ads involve giving money which goes directly to helping Animals. For the Children we need
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 08:41 AM
Oct 2020

change in elected officials .

Response to Boogiemack (Original post)

BusyBeingBest

(8,049 posts)
41. I appreciate your efforts to clean up.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 09:54 AM
Oct 2020

I do the same sometimes on my rural gravel road that attracts litterers and trash-dumpers almost daily. Your poo piles are probably from the same handful of dogs of the same handful of asshole owners who go there every day to walk their dogs so they don't have to pick it up from their own yards. My mom has a guy in her neighborhood who brings his dog to other people's yards to shit and then walks back up the street like nothing happened. But most dog owners aren't like that (being a dog owner myself).

 

elevator

(415 posts)
44. Worse than Trump voters?
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:34 AM
Oct 2020

Pedophiles, rapist, murderers, abusive spouses, gangbangers, drug dealers, venal politicians, bullies, terrorists?

Maybe you should review your priorities.

Raine

(30,467 posts)
47. It doesn't have to be either or, it can be both
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 07:24 PM
Oct 2020

I hate when caring about animals and children are pitted against each other! 😖

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