Media pouncing on the fracking issue..MSNBC

[helpisontheway]

reporter on Chuck Todd’s show did not show any voters but started spouting what they said. Claiming some said Biden needs to explain more. Then mentioned some she talked to were lifelong democrats that switched to republican. And one switched from Republican to Democrat. No evidence of this being “the issue” that changes this election. Yet, the first thing MSNBC does is send a reporter to PA. 🙄 They know Trump needs it to win.

[greenjar_01]

1. Well, you are, anyway

[Tree-Hugger]

2. NPR, too

I don't know anyone who considers fracking a big issue this election. I'm in PA.

[Butterflylady]

15. Got that right!

[helpisontheway]

3. Now top story on CNN's website. Nt

[Eid Ma Clack Shaw]

7. The CNN headline is not flattering to Trump.

[Dem2]

4. Blah blah blah

Are we this foolish?

[The_Counsel]

5. Of Course They Are. They Want Their Horse Race.

We just need to get out there and VOTE if we haven't already...

[jmbar2]

6. I tuned into StockTwits last nite after the debate to see the reaction

Stocktwits is an online discussion board for stock traders. Most of the general conversation happens on the SPY stockboard. Lots of crazy stuff, lots of bots and disinformation, along with real comments from real traders.

Within minutes of the end of the debate, Stocktwits was full of posts from new folks jumping on the Biden "gaffe" about ending our dependency on oil. By this morning, they had all disappeared. A bot army operation.

[tavernier]

8. Instead of the "fracking issue"

why aren’t they concerned about the kids still in cages, the parents who they claim don’t want their kids back, I would think that this is a much hotter topic since it involves actual lives... oh wait, those would be brown children... never mind.

[pwb]

9. Fuck fracking, the only people for it are the fossil fuel industry.

Their corporate welfare subsidies may end finally. Maybe reduce your dividends to save some jobs ha? Your share holders have plenty already.

[0rganism]

10. wtf is so great about fracking?

are we so beholden to such fuels that any method of extraction is automatically beyond reproach?
do the ends justify the means so thoroughly that we must assume them to be perfect?

[gratuitous]

11. But wait, have we really considered clean coal?

Not to mention the plight of poor Bob Murray and his pending application for black lung benefits?

[captain queeg]

12. They're trying to stir something up to make it more of a race

Fracking isn’t going to change anyone’s mind at this point. I suppose some will think of it as a jobs thing but people I know who live near fracking hate it. Trump is going down.

[ananda]

13. Biden explained it just fine..

but of course it wouldn't hurt for him to talk it up again
just as he does his other issues.

[Awsi Dooger]

17. His overall explanation was fine

However, he created an easy comparison sound bite ad for Trump. Most viewers don't watch the actual debate. They inherit the sound bites in subsequent days.

Biden probably needs his own quick fuller explanation ad, specifically for Pennsylvania. Maybe the surrogates will do it.

That was the only part of the debate I wasn't thrilled with, because it enabled Trump to spotlight specific key states. He did that effectively in 2016 also, hammering job loss in Ohio in all three debates.

Biden did great overall. Should help with remaining undecideds. But as S.E. Cupp emphasized on CNN, she could sense the nervous handlers backstage as that fracking segment played out.

[ananda]

20. I see your point. But...

I really really hate double standards.

Trump only has to pass an extremely low
bar for pundits to say he had a good debate.

And here we’re worried about Biden and fracking,
an issue on which he spoke just fine, while...

Trump spoke horribly on every issue that came up..

[radius777]

23. Agree, reminds me of the Hillary 'coal' moment.

Biden had a strong debate, but his 'oil' moment was one that could easily be spun the wrong way.

The fracking issue Biden explained properly and won't hurt him.

But the oil thing came across wrong because Trump was interrupting and wouldn't let Biden finish.

Biden must explain that there will be a gradual transition to clean energy and the workers in those industries will also be transitioned, and it will be beneficial economicially overall.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

14. The impact of our dependence on fossil fuels is not something most voters understand.

Ditto for the effort needed to move in a strategic way toward renewables, how that could benefit the economy, will benefit the environment and potentially save millions of lives in the future.

Reminds me of that old cigarette commercial "I'd rather fight than switch". Can't recall the brand but it's the same mind set.

[PubliusEnigma]

16. Ask anyone if they want fracking in National Parks, and they will give the same answer Biden gave.

If this is all the ammo they have, their powder is soaking wet.

[triron]

18. Biden did not say he was against fracking but only if on federal land. JFC!

[bigtree]

19. lol, Chuck Todd

[Earthshine2]

21. If Chuck Todd's name was mentioned in the title, I wouldn't have clicked.

>> lifelong democrats that switched to republican

For what reasons?

We expect this type of crap from Todd.

[judeling]

22. Attack don't defend

This is actually a real issue and in general one that will work for Biden. However in specific areas it could hurt and so hurt in some states and for some races. It very easily could hurt Espy in Mississippi and MJ in Texas for example. Because it isn't fracking its oil.

Trump couldn't save Coal. Reality just cannot be fought. So we either go with transitioning and win the race or put our heads in the sand and let somebody else. Spending the next 30 years transitioning is not radical it is only sensible and will probably end up being way to slow.

That pretty much makes the attackers defend. While it is not a ringing endorsement of Biden's environmental policies, it doesn't need to be. What is needed is a way to allow people permission to vote for him even in the oil and gas patches.