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helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 02:19 PM Oct 2020

Media pouncing on the fracking issue..MSNBC

reporter on Chuck Todd’s show did not show any voters but started spouting what they said. Claiming some said Biden needs to explain more. Then mentioned some she talked to were lifelong democrats that switched to republican. And one switched from Republican to Democrat. No evidence of this being “the issue” that changes this election. Yet, the first thing MSNBC does is send a reporter to PA. 🙄 They know Trump needs it to win.

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Media pouncing on the fracking issue..MSNBC (Original Post) helpisontheway Oct 2020 OP
Well, you are, anyway greenjar_01 Oct 2020 #1
NPR, too Tree-Hugger Oct 2020 #2
Got that right! Butterflylady Oct 2020 #15
Now top story on CNN's website. Nt helpisontheway Oct 2020 #3
The CNN headline is not flattering to Trump. Eid Ma Clack Shaw Oct 2020 #7
Blah blah blah Dem2 Oct 2020 #4
Of Course They Are. They Want Their Horse Race. The_Counsel Oct 2020 #5
I tuned into StockTwits last nite after the debate to see the reaction jmbar2 Oct 2020 #6
Instead of the "fracking issue" tavernier Oct 2020 #8
Fuck fracking, the only people for it are the fossil fuel industry. pwb Oct 2020 #9
wtf is so great about fracking? 0rganism Oct 2020 #10
But wait, have we really considered clean coal? gratuitous Oct 2020 #11
They're trying to stir something up to make it more of a race captain queeg Oct 2020 #12
Biden explained it just fine.. ananda Oct 2020 #13
His overall explanation was fine Awsi Dooger Oct 2020 #17
I see your point. But... ananda Oct 2020 #20
Agree, reminds me of the Hillary 'coal' moment. radius777 Oct 2020 #23
The impact of our dependence on fossil fuels is not something most voters understand. NoRoadUntravelled Oct 2020 #14
Ask anyone if they want fracking in National Parks, and they will give the same answer Biden gave. PubliusEnigma Oct 2020 #16
Biden did not say he was against fracking but only if on federal land. JFC! triron Oct 2020 #18
lol, Chuck Todd bigtree Oct 2020 #19
If Chuck Todd's name was mentioned in the title, I wouldn't have clicked. Earthshine2 Oct 2020 #21
Attack don't defend judeling Oct 2020 #22

The_Counsel

(1,661 posts)
5. Of Course They Are. They Want Their Horse Race.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 02:24 PM
Oct 2020


We just need to get out there and VOTE if we haven't already...

jmbar2

(4,938 posts)
6. I tuned into StockTwits last nite after the debate to see the reaction
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 02:25 PM
Oct 2020

Stocktwits is an online discussion board for stock traders. Most of the general conversation happens on the SPY stockboard. Lots of crazy stuff, lots of bots and disinformation, along with real comments from real traders.

Within minutes of the end of the debate, Stocktwits was full of posts from new folks jumping on the Biden "gaffe" about ending our dependency on oil. By this morning, they had all disappeared. A bot army operation.

tavernier

(12,437 posts)
8. Instead of the "fracking issue"
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 02:28 PM
Oct 2020

why aren’t they concerned about the kids still in cages, the parents who they claim don’t want their kids back, I would think that this is a much hotter topic since it involves actual lives... oh wait, those would be brown children... never mind.

pwb

(11,350 posts)
9. Fuck fracking, the only people for it are the fossil fuel industry.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 02:29 PM
Oct 2020

Their corporate welfare subsidies may end finally. Maybe reduce your dividends to save some jobs ha? Your share holders have plenty already.

0rganism

(24,002 posts)
10. wtf is so great about fracking?
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 02:32 PM
Oct 2020

are we so beholden to such fuels that any method of extraction is automatically beyond reproach?
do the ends justify the means so thoroughly that we must assume them to be perfect?

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
11. But wait, have we really considered clean coal?
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 02:32 PM
Oct 2020

Not to mention the plight of poor Bob Murray and his pending application for black lung benefits?

captain queeg

(10,356 posts)
12. They're trying to stir something up to make it more of a race
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 02:33 PM
Oct 2020

Fracking isn’t going to change anyone’s mind at this point. I suppose some will think of it as a jobs thing but people I know who live near fracking hate it. Trump is going down.

ananda

(28,932 posts)
13. Biden explained it just fine..
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 02:33 PM
Oct 2020

but of course it wouldn't hurt for him to talk it up again
just as he does his other issues.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
17. His overall explanation was fine
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 04:03 PM
Oct 2020

However, he created an easy comparison sound bite ad for Trump. Most viewers don't watch the actual debate. They inherit the sound bites in subsequent days.

Biden probably needs his own quick fuller explanation ad, specifically for Pennsylvania. Maybe the surrogates will do it.

That was the only part of the debate I wasn't thrilled with, because it enabled Trump to spotlight specific key states. He did that effectively in 2016 also, hammering job loss in Ohio in all three debates.

Biden did great overall. Should help with remaining undecideds. But as S.E. Cupp emphasized on CNN, she could sense the nervous handlers backstage as that fracking segment played out.

ananda

(28,932 posts)
20. I see your point. But...
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 05:45 AM
Oct 2020

I really really hate double standards.

Trump only has to pass an extremely low
bar for pundits to say he had a good debate.

And here we’re worried about Biden and fracking,
an issue on which he spoke just fine, while...

Trump spoke horribly on every issue that came up..

radius777

(3,635 posts)
23. Agree, reminds me of the Hillary 'coal' moment.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 07:13 AM
Oct 2020

Biden had a strong debate, but his 'oil' moment was one that could easily be spun the wrong way.

The fracking issue Biden explained properly and won't hurt him.

But the oil thing came across wrong because Trump was interrupting and wouldn't let Biden finish.

Biden must explain that there will be a gradual transition to clean energy and the workers in those industries will also be transitioned, and it will be beneficial economicially overall.

NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
14. The impact of our dependence on fossil fuels is not something most voters understand.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 02:37 PM
Oct 2020

Ditto for the effort needed to move in a strategic way toward renewables, how that could benefit the economy, will benefit the environment and potentially save millions of lives in the future.

Reminds me of that old cigarette commercial "I'd rather fight than switch". Can't recall the brand but it's the same mind set.

PubliusEnigma

(1,583 posts)
16. Ask anyone if they want fracking in National Parks, and they will give the same answer Biden gave.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 02:51 PM
Oct 2020

If this is all the ammo they have, their powder is soaking wet.

 

Earthshine2

(4,044 posts)
21. If Chuck Todd's name was mentioned in the title, I wouldn't have clicked.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 06:00 AM
Oct 2020

>> lifelong democrats that switched to republican

For what reasons?

We expect this type of crap from Todd.

judeling

(1,086 posts)
22. Attack don't defend
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 06:02 AM
Oct 2020

This is actually a real issue and in general one that will work for Biden. However in specific areas it could hurt and so hurt in some states and for some races. It very easily could hurt Espy in Mississippi and MJ in Texas for example. Because it isn't fracking its oil.

Trump couldn't save Coal. Reality just cannot be fought. So we either go with transitioning and win the race or put our heads in the sand and let somebody else. Spending the next 30 years transitioning is not radical it is only sensible and will probably end up being way to slow.

That pretty much makes the attackers defend. While it is not a ringing endorsement of Biden's environmental policies, it doesn't need to be. What is needed is a way to allow people permission to vote for him even in the oil and gas patches.

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